“Experts urge new rules to prevent heatstroke in linemen”

BobPSU92

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What do the coaches here, real or imaginary, think? Just rub dirt in that heat stroke and keep working?

o_O

 
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Bison13

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Kids today, especially linemen, are heavier, have higher body fat %, spend more time indoors and do less running in PE than we did.
That’s the reason this is all needed.

While their may be a few guys who nearly kill the kids like in the junction boys and bear bryant, most aren’t doing crazy stuff.
 

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I'm surprised we didn't have more guys dropping back when I played in HS in late 70's early 80's. Two-a-day practices began in August and most showed up out of shape or at least with little training over the summer. We were limited to only a few water breaks (you know, H2o in 90 degree heat with high humidity for guys in helmets and shoulder pads is for p#ssies). Always ended practices with running "Steelers" or "Gassers". And if even one teammate (usually an OL) missed the time, we had to run extras... Ugh!
 

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Kids today, especially linemen, are heavier, have higher body fat %, spend more time indoors and do less running in PE than we did.
That’s the reason this is all needed.

While their may be a few guys who nearly kill the kids like in the junction boys and bear bryant, most aren’t doing crazy stuff.
270 used to be a very big DT
 

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I'm surprised we didn't have more guys dropping back when I played in HS in late 70's early 80's. Two-a-day practices began in August and most showed up out of shape or at least with little training over the summer. We were limited to only a few water breaks (you know, H2o in 90 degree heat with high humidity for guys in helmets and shoulder pads is for p#ssies). Always ended practices with running "Steelers" or "Gassers". And if even one teammate (usually an OL) missed the time, we had to run extras... Ugh!
Back when I played DT for the Penndel Wildcats, my dad would yell at me for drinking water while the offense was on the field.
 
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BobPSU92

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Kids today, especially linemen, are heavier, have higher body fat %, spend more time indoors and do less running in PE than we did.
That’s the reason this is all needed.

While there may be a few guys who nearly kill the kids like in the junction boys and bear bryant, most aren’t doing crazy stuff.

The Junction Boys and bryant came to mind when I started this thread. I don’t know how accurate it was, but it made the point about safety nonetheless.
 

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Back when I played DT for the Penndel Wildcats, my dad would yell at me for drinking water while the offense was on the field.
Back when I was in high school, we practiced like hell but had regular water breaks. Then for my first 2 years in college, had an old school coach who didn't believe in breaks, then for my last 2 years I had ex- PSU running back Klingensmith as coach ... he always had water, oranges and candy bars on the sidelines and encouraged us to make use of it as needed. I guess coaches all have different ideas on how to toughen up a team.
 

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My sophomore season they gave us salt tablets and occasionally water. By my senior year(1969) they went cutting edge and started giving us the new thing. Powdered Gatorade.
 

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Schmidt’s.
Olde Frothingslosh

 

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From the article: "Anderson said deaths happen during practice rather than competition and recommended that linemen should be trained based on what is demanded of them during a game."

This statement just seems odd to me because that is what coaches do, train based on what is demanded of them during a game. They also have to be conditioned for the amount of physical exertion that happens on every play. Maybe I am interpreting it wrong. That being said. I played in the 80s, coached in the 90s early 2000s. Kids have gotten much bigger since then. Is it hotter now then in the 80s? Not sure without looking at the data. I remember it always being hot and humid when summer camp opened in August. However, that being said, we were always outside in the summers(I wo and did not have air conditioning(we slept in the basement where it was cooler). Practice was structured as 3 a days, sessions with water breaks because we always had to bring a thermos full of water(Like a gallon jug), 8-11, 12:30 - 2:00(skill players no pads outside, Big Uglies doing some conditioning, agilities, lifting weights, going over plays inside), 3:00 - 5:00 all team back in full pads, with water breaks. Most of the heavy physical stuff was always in the morning session when it was cooler. I do remember some players hurling during sled drills in the morning because they came to camp out of shape or guzzled some shake right before practice. The expectation was to be conditioning all summer before you showed up to camp. You couldn't get in football shape in the 2 weeks of summer camp leading up to the season. I know many teams have heat conditioning practices leading up to summer camp.

I think other issue is that coaches need to be trained to identify heat related issues and not be Neanderthals' stuck in the 70s/80s seeing needing water as a weakness. Times have changed.

Also, some teams play games at 12:00 and 1:00 on Saturdays so your players need to be conditioned to play in hot weather as well. It is fine line to balance. Early games at night can be super hot as well.
 
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i've never understood why you have linemen or for that matter any football player run for distance. imo 1 mile is a distance run, dont have your linemen do it.
 
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i've never understood why you have linemen or for that matter any football player run for distance. imo 1 mile is a distance run, dont have your linemen do it.
I agree Mr. Millen. If you have to run that far, the team is in trouble.
 

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i've never understood why you have linemen or for that matter any football player run for distance. imo 1 mile is a distance run, dont have your linemen do it.
Endurance, fitness and mental toughness. Running is boring and messes with your mind!! Also, lineman sometimes do run long distances(chasing the ball carrier, screen passes, punt coverage, punt returns, etc) and they have to do it over and over and over again. Sometimes from no huddle. If the fat boys can run a mile in a decent amount of time then it helps their overall fitness for football. This was also used to help reach goals in the off season as we were graded on our times. I think in the spring I ran a 9:30 mile(I was fat and slow(still am actually)), but the week before summer camp I got that down to 8:15. I felt much better in that summer camp then I did the prior year when I tested up in the high 9 minutes range. Every exercise or drill has a specific football connection, at least in the programs I was affiliated with. The sum of all the little, what sometimes feel dumb, drills add up to some football action that improves a players performance. The repetitiveness in practices helps movements become natural(muscle memory) that the player doesn't have to think about over the course of game battle.
 

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Endurance, fitness and mental toughness. Running is boring and messes with your mind!! Also, lineman sometimes do run long distances(chasing the ball carrier, screen passes, punt coverage, punt returns, etc) and they have to do it over and over and over again. Sometimes from no huddle. If the fat boys can run a mile in a decent amount of time then it helps their overall fitness for football. This was also used to help reach goals in the off season as we were graded on our times. I think in the spring I ran a 9:30 mile(I was fat and slow(still am actually)), but the week before summer camp I got that down to 8:15. I felt much better in that summer camp then I did the prior year when I tested up in the high 9 minutes range. Every exercise or drill has a specific football connection, at least in the programs I was affiliated with. The sum of all the little, what sometimes feel dumb, drills add up to some football action that improves a players performance. The repetitiveness in practices helps movements become natural(muscle memory) that the player doesn't have to think about over the course of game battle.
Every exercise or drill has a specific football connection, at least in the programs I was affiliated with.

so the football connection to the 1 mile run is?
 

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What do the coaches here, real or imaginary, think? Just rub dirt in that heat stroke and keep working?

o_O

Kory Stringer comes to mind. If you are good enough to play for the likes of Penn State, you may need coaches, trainers, etc. to tell you that it's time to take a break. The drive in some of these players is insane. They may literally work themselves to death if someone isn't there to tell them enough is enough.
 
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the problem I see is you many never get to practice in August and September , let alone play a game before midnight.
Here are the state of Maryland’s guidelines. I know you’re only partially commenting in jest about August and September practices, but Maryland is hotter and more humid than Pennsylvania and the only areas that typically have much trouble fitting in practices outside are the ones in areas close to the bay where the humidity can be oppressive.
Standard practice for our high school kids on the days they’re allowed to do a double session would generally be at 7 AM and then again at three. Once students are back in school, which is only 11 days after the start of camp, nobody would do a double session
 
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I'm surprised we didn't have more guys dropping back when I played in HS in late 70's early 80's. Two-a-day practices began in August and most showed up out of shape or at least with little training over the summer. We were limited to only a few water breaks (you know, H2o in 90 degree heat with high humidity for guys in helmets and shoulder pads is for p#ssies). Always ended practices with running "Steelers" or "Gassers". And if even one teammate (usually an OL) missed the time, we had to run extras... Ugh!

Back when I was in high school, we practiced like hell but had regular water breaks. Then for my first 2 years in college, had an old school coach who didn't believe in breaks, then for my last 2 years I had ex- PSU running back Klingensmith as coach ... he always had water, oranges and candy bars on the sidelines and encouraged us to make use of it as needed. I guess coaches all have different ideas on how to toughen up a team.

My response to our office safety administrator:

Very good information Ivie,

During my high school days in the 60’s I played baseball and football & Rec basketball. As a Junior I was a very good athletic and respected in our league. I remember playing our football game in the afternoon with the temperatures in the 90’s and the humidity also in the 90’s.
I played receiver on offense and free safety on the defense. Our team and the opponent’s team were getting gassed midway thru the second quarter.

On both teams The running backs didn’t want to run, the offense line didn’t want the running plays because the had to run downfield on each play,
the QB didn’t want to run because the line was gassed.........SO I was running my a$$ off on offence running pass plays and on defense running my
a$$ off on defensive pass coverage.

During half time the coaches provided salt pills and oranges, I passed out along with dozen other guys in the locker room.

The ambulances were busy that day taking players from both teams to Nesbit Hospital.

According to the temp vs humidity chart included in your safety letter sending .....that should have happened, and it did.!

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The Forgotten History of Early Football Hydration Practices
“When Water Was Considered a Weakness
The early days of football reveal a startling truth about hydration: it was often actively discouraged. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, coaches commonly withheld water from players during practices and games, believing that drinking water caused cramping and showed weakness. Players would rinse their mouths with water and spit it out rather than swallow. This “toughening up” approach seems unimaginable today, but it was standard practice when football was establishing itself as America’s favorite contact sport. Trainers sometimes offered players salt tablets—with no water—a practice that likely worsened dehydration rather than helped.”
 

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In the late 50s and early`60s heat stroke was practically non existent. Why? Because no one had air conditioning and there was no need to be acclimatized. If it was a summer day and not raining, your Mom would say "what are you doing in the house?" The average HS kid today goes from an air conditioned school to his air conditioned car and then to his air conditioned home. If he ventures outside, it is to take a refreshing dip in his back yard pool. We didn't have water breaks and in fact were directed to take salt pills before every double session practice in August. I didn't see a heat stress incident until the season of 1965. On a rare day game at Central Columbia (they got lights in 1967) the index had to be 3 digits. At half time we noticed a teammate shivering and we all laughed at him. No one realized what was happening. Luckily someone did and got him to the hospital. No trainers....LOL
Later in the game I recall a time out and I reached into a water bucket (which contained only a sponge) and squeezed over my head. I was admonished by none other than Coach Joe "Jazz" Diminick, who was working as an official that day.
In my later years as a HS AD, I dreaded the beginning of fall practice as I watched more than a few youngsters walk onto the practice field for tryouts and surmised that they had spent very little time away from video games that summer.
 
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In the late 50s and early`60s heat stroke was practically non existent. Why? Because no one had air conditioning and there was no need to be acclimatized. If it was a summer day and not raining, your Mom would say "what are you doing in the house?" The average HS kid today goes from an air conditioned school to his air conditioned car and then to his air conditioned home. If he ventures outside, it is to take a refreshing dip in his back yard pool. We didn't have water breaks and in fact were directed to take salt pills before every double session practice in August. I didn't see a heat stress incident until the season of 1965. On a rare day game at Central Columbia (they got lights in 1967) the index had to be 3 digits. At half time we noticed a teammate shivering and we all laughed at him. No one realized what was happening. Luckily someone did and got him to the hospital. No trainers....LOL
Later in the game I recall a time out and I reached into a water bucket (which contained only a sponge) and squeezed over my head. I was admonished by none other than Coach Joe "Jazz" Diminick, who was working as an official that day.
In my later years as a HS AD, I dreaded the beginning of fall practice as I watched more than a few youngsters walk onto the practice field for tryouts and surmised that they had spent very little time away from video games that summer.
Thats a big deal. A few years back we arrived in Florence, Italy, in June where it was 105. It cooled off to the 90s--and we got used to it. When we got home, we were pretty comfortable in the 90s all summer, as we'd adjusted. Mind you, we often took a mid-day siesta, and we did have some A/C in our bedrooms, though often not in the rest of the building.

Also, when I was a kid, I used to hand out in our family room, which in our split level was partly under ground. 10 deg cooler in summer.
 
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