Democrat Communists - Call Them What They Are - Bill Maher, Van Jones, AND Ted Cruz Agree

firegiver

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Guys, folks want social programs. Social programs work. Calling it communism is just lazy and not serious deflection for what people want.
 

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Biden inherited an economy that was just coming out of the global supply chain crunch/recession and inflation was already rising steadily as a result.

Trump inherited strong/stable economies both times and then promptly took credit for both.

"It depends on what you call a strong economy"

Record low unemployment, record high stock market (MAGAs' favorite metric), low inflation. solid GDP etc... going by the normal metrics for measuring the health of the economy.

The debt has risen steadily for decades. Trump added 8 trillion to it in his first term alone.
The debt under Biden increased $8.4 billion, and he wanted $3 trillion more in spending. Only Manchin and Cinema stopped him. Get a clue.
 

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And that's all you got trying to defend the Socialists, Marxists, and Communists of your party. Feelings, not reality or facts.
Wasn't "defending" anything. Simply made an observation and pointed out that when misinformation is called into question, super spreaders of said information do not respond and address the incorrectness of what they are helping perpetuate.
 
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Hotshoe

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Guys, folks want social programs. Social programs work. Calling it communism is just lazy and not serious deflection for what people want.
Lmao. Can you ever be honest? Like ever? Look at the DSA's own platform. Try some honesty. Platner alone is a self proclaimed Communist. He's also a blatant liar.

Get rid of the presidency, get rid of the Senate. Get rid of the Supreme Court and the Constitution. Open borders, no police, and no prisons. Get a clue dude. Stop defending the indefensible. Your party has been taken over by radicals. It's precisely why Jeffries called Bernie Sanders.

How far are you willing to go and lie for your party over your country? It's all on tape and interviews. Jesus, are you really this pathetic? Even Hillary has called this out. Stay in denial. It's funny as hell to watch..
 

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fatpiggy is having an idiot contest with himself
That was my reaction as well. H'e put up something like 90% of the posts in this thread. And, of course, they parrot the new MAGA campaign strategy, such as it is. Call Democrats "commies" and "traitors." I'm sure that will be resoundingly successful. BTW, the average price of gasoline in the U.S. just went back up over $4.00 a gallon, and it looks like this Iranian War is about to expand. Well done, Cheeto.
 
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bdgan

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Guys, folks want social programs. Social programs work.
What's your evidence that social programs work? How do you measure success?

I think most people support providing assistance to people who are struggling due to no fault of their own. A lot of people don't support programs that encourage dependency. I also think they have to make sense financially. I think it's a little ridiculous to spend $150k/yr to get people off the street but your measure might be that it got a person off the street regardless of cost.
 
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firegiver

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What's your evidence that social programs work? How do you measure success?

I think most people support providing assistance to people who are struggling due to no fault of their own. A lot of people don't support programs that encourage dependency. I also think they have to make sense financially. I think it's a little ridiculous to spend $150k/yr to get people off the street but your measure might be that it got a person off the street regardless of cost.
roads are social programs. I use them and have evidence other people use them.

I'm not trying to be glib but it was just such a broad question.

There are tons of social programs that work... like schools. you know, schools? They work. Now idiots like to politicize schools and roads and they talk a lot of bs, but the overall goals of these programs are successful.
 

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The communists are openly assaulting our institutions through terrorist attacks today. Understand where we are at.

Guys, folks want social programs. Social programs work. Calling it communism is just lazy and not serious deflection for what people want.
"We want you to pay for pur things!"

We know.
 
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Guys, folks want social programs. Social programs work. Calling it communism is just lazy and not serious deflection for what people want.

Children want candy. Candy tastes good. Telling them that candy is bad for both their teeth and diet is not a serious deflection from what these children want.

Point Being:
Both people and children will frequently want things that are inherently bad for them.
 

firegiver

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Children want candy. Candy tastes good. Telling them that candy is bad for both their teeth and diet is not a serious deflection from what these children want.

Point Being:
Both people and children will frequently want things that are inherently bad for them.
Roads and schools are candy is your argument? Voters are children?
This type of framing shows your arrogance and poor reasoning.
 

bdgan

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if you're connecting it specifically to inflation, I don't think it's fair or accurate to discuss spe ding bills without the time frames associated with them.

the inflation reduction act was passed mid 2022, right after inflation had already peaked. I don't know if it reduced inflation directly, but its hard to argue it caused any inflation, as it was back to 3(ish)% range with a year of the bill's passage.

The infrastructure bill (IIJA) was a spending bill spread out over the next 5 federal fiscal years. And even then, DOTs have up to 4 years after the money is "programmed" on a project before any money is actually being spent. The vast majority of the funding provided is the IIJA came well after inflation had peaked.
You are correct that the spending for some of these programs was spread out over years but I disagree that they weren't inflationary.

The biggest bill was the American rescue plan that was approved in March and much of the spending occurred immediately (including $1,400 stimulus checks). ~90% of people remained employed through covid and many actually worked from home and saved money on things like commuting and lunch. They didn't need another stimulus check. I recall money earmarked for schools to reopen safely that didn't begin to be spent until long after when schools were already open.

I think Covid spending under Trump and a democrat congress was double what was necessary. In some states like NY people were getting nearly $60k per year in unemployment benefits. Why work? Rents were forgiven. Loans were forgiven. Things like forgivable PPP loans were also abused. All of that + pent up demand and some short term supply disruptions created an environment ripe for inflation. Biden's $4 trillion (not all spent at once) was on top of that and it made a potentially inflationary situation much worse. Add that the Fed kept interest rates barely above zero until mid 2022 when inflation had already taken off. That's one of the big reasons why housing prices took off and people don't want to sell their homes and lose their 2.5% mortgages.
 
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firegiver

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No,.. I don't accept the previously offered argument that roads and schools are socialism.
Read the claim again
Its a social project. Which yes it definitely is.
See we have the misuse of the english language in here. People claiming that DSA's are communists, when really they are just folks running on social program ideas. So yes, its not socialism. But they are social programs. So... yes you are ok with social programs, including social security right?
Anyway, its not my fault idiots label things the wrong things.
 
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You are correct that the spending for some of these programs was spread out over years but I disagree that they weren't inflationary.

The biggest bill was the American rescue plan that was approved in March and much of the spending occurred immediately (including $1,400 stimulus checks). ~90% of people remained employed through covid and many actually worked from home and saved money on things like commuting and lunch. They didn't need another stimulus check. I recall money earmarked for schools to reopen safely that didn't begin to be spent until long after when schools were already open.

I think Covid spending under Trump and a democrat congress was double what was necessary. In some states like NY people were getting nearly $60k per year in unemployment benefits. Why work? Rents were forgiven. Loans were forgiven. Things like forgivable PPP loans were also abused. All of that + pent up demand and some short term supply disruptions created an environment ripe for inflation. Biden's $4 trillion (not all spent at once) was on top of that and it made a potentially inflationary situation much worse. Add that the Fed kept interest rates barely above zero until mid 2022 when inflation had already taken off. That's one of the big reasons why housing prices took off and people don't want to sell their homes and lose their 2.5% mortgages.
some of the spending was inflationary. and as much of that occurred under Trump as it did under Biden

there's also the fact that inflation was experienced across the globe

"Biden spending caused inflation" was a successful campaign narrative that doesn't actually stand up to reality
 

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Read the claim again
Its a social project. Which yes it definitely is.
See we have the misuse of the english language in here. People claiming that DSA's are communists, when really they are just folks running on social program ideas. So yes, its not socialism. But they are social programs. So... yes you are ok with social programs, including social security right?
Anyway, its not my fault idiots label things the wrong things.

No,.. still rejected.
 

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People claiming that DSA's are communists, when really they are just folks running on social program ideas.
Replacing the constitution and government control of large corporations is a lot more than folks running on social program ideas.

Abolish ICE
Open Borders
Get rid of electoral college
Get rid of the Senate
Close all foreign military bases
No economic sanctions on any foreign country
 

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The communists are openly assaulting our institutions through terrorist attacks today. Understand where we are at.


"We want you to pay for pur things!"

We know.

Nothing to see here…..just some small fireworks!
 
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firegiver

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whats a feudalism? what's a totalitarian? whats an oligarchy? whats a technocrat. Said every single MAGA dip head that blames their woes on communism, something that doesn't even exist in our government or is purposed to exist.
Anyway
 

Tom Paris

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Replacing the constitution and government control of large corporations is a lot more than folks running on social program ideas.

Abolish ICE
Open Borders
Get rid of electoral college
Get rid of the Senate
Close all foreign military bases
No economic sanctions on any foreign country
Holy load of sh it.