Get used to the smoke - it was inevitable due to climate change denialism

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“What is unfolding is what climate and forest scientists have been predicting for 30 years,” Werner Kurz, a retired senior research scientist at Natural Resources Canada, told me. “That as the world gets hotter and drier, we are exposing forests to more and more risk, and the old strategies of fire suppression are simply being overwhelmed.”

In the particularly bad stretch from 2023 to 2025, some 8 percent of Canada’s forests burned, Bonada said. Repeated, large fires have caused a decline in the predominant species of conifers, the black spruce, shifting what vegetation regrows. These enormous swaths of boreal forest from the Yukon to Newfoundland and Labrador—more than 1 million square miles—act as massive vaults for carbon, which is locked away in billions of trees and the forest floor. But so much of those forests is going up in smoke that they have become their own notable source of greenhouse gases in recent years. A 2024 study published in Science found that carbon emissions from wildfires had increased by 60 percent in the prior two decades. Fires in boreal forests such as Canada’s were the main reason. Another study, published in Nature, found that Canadian wildfires in 2023, when more than 43 million acres burned, generated more emissions than the burning of fossil fuels in all but the three most-polluting countries.


Many of these fires coincide, as this week’s blazes in Ontario have, with heat waves. The town of Lytton, in British Columbia, was nearly wiped off the map in 2021 the day after it endured Canada’s hottest temperature on record, 121 degrees.

“Having these temperatures in forested areas, it’s just impossible. The forests don’t remain,” John Pomeroy, a hydrologist at the University of Saskatchewan who has studied the effects of climate change, told me. He is based at a research lab in the Canadian Rockies, in Alberta. Last week, the whole area was blanketed in smoke, he said, from wildfires in British Columbia. In addition to causing harmful health impacts, wildfire smoke also darkens glaciers in the mountains. Those darker glaciers absorb more sunlight, which causes them to melt faster. The world is caught in these loops, and they’re only going to keep repeating.




 

Torbee

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It’s why we control burn in N FL. But you can’t control burn that much land.
That works great in a relatively small geographical area that is also accessible by roads.

That is not at ALL the case in Canada.

FTA:

“You can’t control these fires. You cannot put personnel, fire engines, over an area that is the size of the entire American South, or something like that. It’s just way too big of an area.”
 

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That works great in a relatively small geographical area that is also accessible by roads.

That is not at ALL the case in Canada.

FTA:

“You can’t control these fires. You cannot put personnel, fire engines, over an area that is the size of the entire American South, or something like that. It’s just way too big of an area.”
Yep that’s what I meant by “you can’t control burn that much land”
 
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I remember back during Trump's first term when we had a week or two of VERY cold weather across much of the US. Trump was using the cold to argue against climate change. He really hasn't said much about the heat has he?

To be fair, his remark about the cold was BS, and any remark made about a short term heat wave would be just as much BS, but when has that ever stopped Trump.
 

Torbee

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I remember back during Trump's first term when we had a week or two of VERY cold weather across much of the US. Trump was using the cold to argue against climate change. He really hasn't said much about the heat has he?

To be fair, his remark about the cold was BS, and any remark made about a short term heat wave would be just as much BS, but when has that ever stopped Trump.
Talk about any individual heat wave absolutely would be BS and pointless.

Pointing out that the frequency, duration and intensity of heat waves increasing dramatically in the past decade, however, is extremely relevant.
 

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At some point wont this problem correct itself? Not to over simplify, but after a fire that area should be safe from another fire for along time.
 
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“What is unfolding is what climate and forest scientists have been predicting for 30 years,” Werner Kurz, a retired senior research scientist at Natural Resources Canada, told me. “That as the world gets hotter and drier, we are exposing forests to more and more risk, and the old strategies of fire suppression are simply being overwhelmed.”

In the particularly bad stretch from 2023 to 2025, some 8 percent of Canada’s forests burned, Bonada said. Repeated, large fires have caused a decline in the predominant species of conifers, the black spruce, shifting what vegetation regrows. These enormous swaths of boreal forest from the Yukon to Newfoundland and Labrador—more than 1 million square miles—act as massive vaults for carbon, which is locked away in billions of trees and the forest floor. But so much of those forests is going up in smoke that they have become their own notable source of greenhouse gases in recent years. A 2024 study published in Science found that carbon emissions from wildfires had increased by 60 percent in the prior two decades. Fires in boreal forests such as Canada’s were the main reason. Another study, published in Nature, found that Canadian wildfires in 2023, when more than 43 million acres burned, generated more emissions than the burning of fossil fuels in all but the three most-polluting countries.


Many of these fires coincide, as this week’s blazes in Ontario have, with heat waves. The town of Lytton, in British Columbia, was nearly wiped off the map in 2021 the day after it endured Canada’s hottest temperature on record, 121 degrees.

“Having these temperatures in forested areas, it’s just impossible. The forests don’t remain,” John Pomeroy, a hydrologist at the University of Saskatchewan who has studied the effects of climate change, told me. He is based at a research lab in the Canadian Rockies, in Alberta. Last week, the whole area was blanketed in smoke, he said, from wildfires in British Columbia. In addition to causing harmful health impacts, wildfire smoke also darkens glaciers in the mountains. Those darker glaciers absorb more sunlight, which causes them to melt faster. The world is caught in these loops, and they’re only going to keep repeating.




Guess climate change hasn’t hit Russia yet, eh Tubby Torbs?

 
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Guess climate change hasn’t hit Russia yet, eh Tubby Torbs?


It's amazing to me that we're beating Canada up over their wildfires because the Tangerine Turnip told you to. Before Trump came along, they were our best friends in the world. You people suck.


Canada's forests have a higher rate of "crown fires," making its individual wildfires dramatically larger, hotter, and more destructive than those typically found in Russia. [1]
While both nations share the massive boreal forest ecosystem (taiga) and face intense fire seasons, localized geographical, biological, and institutional traits make Canada uniquely vulnerable to catastrophic, wide-scale wildfire behavior. [1, 2]

1. Forest Structure and High Crown Fire Rates
The biological makeup of Canadian forests shifts how fires burn compared to Russian forests:
  • Crown Fire Dominance: Comparative data shows that the crown fire rate (fires that spread rapidly through the tops of trees) is 57% in Canada versus just 6% in Russia. [1]
  • Tree Species: Russia’s taiga has vast expanses of Larix (larch) forests, which drop their needles annually and are less prone to crowning. Canada’s forests feature a high density of black spruce, jack pine, and balsam fir, which contain highly flammable resins and low-hanging branches that act as "ladders" carrying ground fires into the canopy.
  • Massive Fire Size: Because crown fires move much faster and burn hotter, the average large wildfire size is four times greater in Canada than in Russia. [1]

2. High Pre-Burn Fuel Loads
Canadian forest floors naturally accumulate heavier fuel loads: [1, 2]
  • Thick Undergrowth: Western Canadian study areas show a 53% higher carbon emissions rate per hectare burned than Russian study areas because there is simply more organic material sitting on the forest floor to consume. [1, 2]
  • Insect Epidemics: Canada has suffered massive outbreaks of mountain pine beetle and spruce budworm, which leave millions of hectares of dead, bone-dry standing timber ready to ignite.

3. Jet Stream and Weather Blocking Patterns
Canada's mid-summer fire season is heavily influenced by the North American jet stream: [1, 2]
  • Atmospheric Heat Domes: Powerful atmospheric high-pressure ridges frequently stall over western and central Canada.
  • Rapid Drying: These intense "heat domes" dry out the forest fuel bed at a much faster rate than the typical rolling weather patterns seen across large parts of the flat Russian landmass. [1, 2]
 

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It's amazing to me that we're beating Canada up over their wildfires because the Tangerine Turnip told you to. Before Trump came along, they were our best friends in the world. You people suck.


Canada's forests have a higher rate of "crown fires," making its individual wildfires dramatically larger, hotter, and more destructive than those typically found in Russia. [1]
While both nations share the massive boreal forest ecosystem (taiga) and face intense fire seasons, localized geographical, biological, and institutional traits make Canada uniquely vulnerable to catastrophic, wide-scale wildfire behavior. [1, 2]

1. Forest Structure and High Crown Fire Rates
The biological makeup of Canadian forests shifts how fires burn compared to Russian forests:
  • Crown Fire Dominance: Comparative data shows that the crown fire rate (fires that spread rapidly through the tops of trees) is 57% in Canada versus just 6% in Russia. [1]
  • Tree Species: Russia’s taiga has vast expanses of Larix (larch) forests, which drop their needles annually and are less prone to crowning. Canada’s forests feature a high density of black spruce, jack pine, and balsam fir, which contain highly flammable resins and low-hanging branches that act as "ladders" carrying ground fires into the canopy.
  • Massive Fire Size: Because crown fires move much faster and burn hotter, the average large wildfire size is four times greater in Canada than in Russia. [1]

2. High Pre-Burn Fuel Loads
Canadian forest floors naturally accumulate heavier fuel loads: [1, 2]
  • Thick Undergrowth: Western Canadian study areas show a 53% higher carbon emissions rate per hectare burned than Russian study areas because there is simply more organic material sitting on the forest floor to consume. [1, 2]
  • Insect Epidemics: Canada has suffered massive outbreaks of mountain pine beetle and spruce budworm, which leave millions of hectares of dead, bone-dry standing timber ready to ignite.

3. Jet Stream and Weather Blocking Patterns
Canada's mid-summer fire season is heavily influenced by the North American jet stream: [1, 2]
  • Atmospheric Heat Domes: Powerful atmospheric high-pressure ridges frequently stall over western and central Canada.
  • Rapid Drying: These intense "heat domes" dry out the forest fuel bed at a much faster rate than the typical rolling weather patterns seen across large parts of the flat Russian landmass. [1, 2]
Interesting info…..so why don’t the Northern retards spend much more to clear/fight fires or for more US assistance?

Guess it’s easier for them & you libtard defenders just to keep making more excuses.
 

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But according to forestry expert Dickpic……the problem is way too difficult, so just don’t worry about it. 😆

 

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Interesting info…..so why don’t the Northern retards spend much more to clear/fight fires or for more US assistance?

Guess it’s easier for them & you libtard defenders just to keep making more excuses.
I heard Carney say they spent $9 billion doing just that.

Why don't you Trumptards spend more time sToPpInG tOrNaDoEs?
 

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dpic73

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Agree the LA fires were really bad as well…..in prevention, stopping active fires, & handling the aftermath. Much worse than the Everglades fires you mentioned.

Sadly there are many examples of libtard mismanagement out there. 😞
Why didn't libtards in California stop those hurricane force Santa Ana winds? If they were smart like maga, they would have put a tariff on them! Says the magat who supports a man who has rolled back crucial environmental safeguards and attacked science and scientists who work to protect our environment and public health.


 

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Why didn't libtards in California stop those Hurricane force Santa Ana winds? If they were smart like maga, they would have put a tariff on them! Says the magat who supports a man who has rolled back crucial environmental safeguards and attacked science and scientists who work to protect our environment and public health.


You won’t convince him of anything. Trump says Canada is bad, PedMaller falls in line.
 

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Canada is sending us its ABSOLUTE WORST air, it’s not clean, fresh northern air.

It MUST BE STOPPED! At any cost!! Go get them greatest President TRUMP!
 

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Canada is sending us its ABSOLUTE WORST air, it’s not clean, fresh northern air.

It MUST BE STOPPED! At any cost!! Go get them greatest President TRUMP!
We could have fixed this if we had been smart enough to elect Herschel! :rolleyes:

"Since we don’t control the air, our good air decided to float over to China’s bad air so when China gets our good air, their bad air got to move. So it moves over to our good air space. Then now we got to clean that back up, while they’re messing ours up.”

 

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Why didn't libtards in California stop those hurricane force Santa Ana winds? If they were smart like maga, they would have put a tariff on them! Says the magat who supports a man who has rolled back crucial environmental safeguards and attacked science and scientists who work to protect our environment and public health.


How’s the rebuilding going out in LA? I’m sure those libtard policies are really fast-tracking homes to get rebuilt! 😆
 

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Cute that you think Canada telling us what they spent on the problem, is the same as Canada actually spending what needs to be spent on the problem...
Cute that you think you know how much needed to be spent. Did DeSantis spend the right amount to prevent the Everglades fire or would it not have mattered?
 
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Lol imagine being a climate cultist in 2026. The world should have ended years ago according to AOC, Greta and Al gore. It's always funny watching doomsday prophets change their predictions when the first (and second) claims never come to fruition.
 
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Cute that you think you know how much needed to be spent. Did DeSantis spend the right amount to prevent the Everglades fire or would it not have mattered?

It's painfully obvious to everyone that Canada has not taken this problem seriously for years,... The dollars they are spending, and the efforts they are expending are both inadequate.
 
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Imaging thinking that a forest fire is because of climate change. Dead dried up wood, needles and leaves only burn because of climate change. I suppose paper didn’t burn before a couple of years ago.
ronald mcdonald fun GIF by McDonald's CZ/SK
 

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It's painfully obvious to everyone that Canada has not taken this problem seriously for years,... The dollars they are spending, and the efforts they are expending are both inadequate.
It's painfully obvious to the rest of us that it never would have crossed your mind that they didn't do enough until Mango decided to tariff them for a natural disaster, which is fuggin insane. We have a history of terrible wildfires ourselves but could you imagine Mexico or Canada placing tariffs on us if the smoke moved into their airspace?

No you couldn't but because he told you to be mad at them, you dutifully yelp F Canada! These are our best friends in the world we're talking about (or used to be) so it's embarrassing as fvkk that we're treating them like bitches instead of happily stepping up to help, like they've always done for us.
 
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It's painfully obvious to the rest of us that it never would have crossed your mind that they didn't do enough until Mango decided to tariff them for a natural disaster, which is fuggin insane. We have a history of terrible wildfires ourselves but could you imagine Mexico or Canada placing tariffs on us if the smoke moved into their airspace?

No you couldn't but because he told you to be mad at them, so you dutifully yelp F Canada! These are our best friends in the world we're talking about (or used to be) so it's embarrassing as fvkk that we're treating them like bitches instead of happily stepping up to help, like they've always done for us.

Not true,.. I also complained about the very weak Canadian efforts to address this same problem back in 2023,.. This has become an annual occurrence and the Canadian position has devolved into a let it burn mentality,... Don't worry about any threatened tariffs, as that won't hold.