Ole Miss isn't being completely truthful with their enrollment growth

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and the Oxford real estate bubble may be about to bust.


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The record 28,405 is not the Oxford number​

Start with the number itself. This past fall the university announced 28,405 students, a state record. That number is real, but it counts seven campuses, and one of them is the Medical Center two and a half hours away in Jackson, which by itself is 3,183 students, residents and fellows.

Ole Miss enrollment: real growth, but mostly recovery​

People tend to paint Ole Miss and Oxford as if they're an anomaly with only an upward trajectory. But that's not the case. The Oxford campus hit a record high with about 20,500 students in 2016. Then it fell, over four years, to about 18,400 in 2020, a loss of roughly 2,100 students. It did not climb back to its 2016 level until 2023.

Almost all the Ole Miss enrollment growth is out-of-state​

When you look at where the new students came from, it is striking. On the Oxford campus, in-state enrollment has not grown at all. It has gone backward, from about 11,000 Mississippi students in 2016 to about 10,400 now. Every bit of the growth is out-of-state students, who went from about 9,400 to about 14,700, and they now make up nearly 59 percent of the Oxford campus.

In March of last year, Chancellor Boyce stood up in front of a student government meeting and said the freshman class was exploding, that applications were over 40,000, and that Ole Miss would land somewhere around 6,300 to 6,500 freshmen. He said it plainly enough that the student paper printed the quote. The class that actually showed up that fall was 5,464.

What it means for Oxford real estate and student housing​

Now put that next to what is going up around town. These are my own working numbers, and they fall into three buckets. At the end of 2025 there were about 7,000 beds already under construction in the city, with dirt moving on them. Then there is the university itself, which has two new on-campus housing projects in the works with Greystar that together add about 2,800 beds, the first about 1,300 beds on the old Kincannon site due by fall 2027, and the second about 1,500 beds near the law school due by the summer of 2028. On top of that, roughly 2,200 more beds have been approved. Add the three together and you are looking at somewhere around 12,000 potential new beds by fall 2028.

Even on a very good run for the university, the kind where they land the biggest freshman classes they have ever had and hold them, you are talking about a few thousand more students by 2028.
 

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There is housing for 7000 new beds in town...and no plans to tear down aging housing? So like an actual net increase of 7000 off campus housing beds for students?

That seems obviously excessive, even in the best of times.
 
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There is housing for 7000 new beds in town...and no plans to tear down aging housing? So like an actual net increase of 7000 off campus housing beds for students?

That seems obviously excessive, even in the best of times.
Exactly. I hate Ole Miss but I love a good investment. I was pitched a new luxury condo complex in Oxford in the spring and with 7%+ interest rates, the math wasn't working. A couple weeks ago, a buddy of mine told me that the real estate market in Oxford was about to cool down really quickly. Then sent me this today, which seems to be an independent developer doing his own research.

They were about 1,000 students in their freshman class down from where they thought they would be last year. Gap may be closer to 1,500-1,700 this year. They are expecting 6,800 and it looks more like 5,200, which is down from last year. An 8-4 football season may tank the real estate market in Lafayette County.
 

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An 8-4 football season may tank the real estate market in Lafayette County.

You would think that a 12-25 record over the last 3 seasons and prospects dim at first look for this upcoming season, we would have had a big cool down on the Starkville real estate market here but not so. After Mullen left we started hearing that it would come to a screeching halt, but it never did, it got stronger even despite Moorhead, Arnett and Lebby.

Since school was out 4 houses in my neighborhood have sold and didn't last more than 10-14 days on any of the four and the prices are just crazy insane. I wouldn't mind selling my oversized empty nest for a big profit but then I would have to way overpay for a downsized property, at a much higher interest rate if I decided to finance instead of use equity to pay cash.
 
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How many of the 20,500 did Kiffin sleep with? That's the real story.
everyone GIF
 

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What it means for Oxford real estate and student housing​

Add the three together and you are looking at somewhere around 12,000 potential new beds by fall 2028.
I believe that. The amount of dirt turning in Oxford is crazy. Oxford Commons, South Lamar, Old Taylor, Pat Patterson.. It's everywhere you look.
 

615dawg

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We spend way too much recruiting in Tennessee when we need to be pulling from GA, FL, and TX
Bingo. The answer is easy. We just need to repackage how we scholarship out of state students.

Instead of the complex mess we have now, we need to make it simple.

If you have a 24+ ACT and a 3.8 GPA, we waive out of state tuition. You get an SEC experience for in-state pricing. Collect that $11k a year from those students. Every 91 out of state students you get is a million bucks in tuition. We'd get 2000+ every year. Finish building Alpha Chi Omega a house and then add two more sororities on campus and build them houses.

This is what Arkansas does and they are bringing in a ton of students from TX, GA and FL.

We do the same thing now, its just complicated how we do it and it just needs to be simple. If you have a higher band of ACT, you can get some off of the in-state rate but go after those students with 24-29 ACTs that can't get into UTexas, A&M, UGA, Florida or FSU because of the 10% rule.

And get a freaking Nursing school on campus in Starkville. Its one of the most popular majors and now that Georgia has added it, we are the only SEC school without Nursing.
 
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Wait. They had 40,000+ applicants, but only 5500 incoming Freshman? And another thread said they have a 97% acceptance rate?

So that means around 34,000 students used Ole Miss as their " safety school"???
My kid that is currently in college didnt use schools as 'safety schools' because even after applying and being accepted, she wasnt totally sure where she wanted to go.

Part of it was waiting to see what each school would ultimately offer in merit aid.
Part of it was she had to apply to a lot in the fall in order to meet deadlines for scholarships and/or honors college consideration and/or program track early consideration.


When you have to apply before you have nailed down where you want to go and how much it will cost, that doesnt make schools you dont attend your 'safety schools'.
From what I have seen from a lot of teens over the years, the above scenario is very common.
 
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My kid that is currently in college didnt use schools as 'safety schools' because even after applying and being accepted, she wasnt totally sure where she wanted to go.

Part of it was waiting to see what each school would ultimately offer in merit aid.
Part of it was she had to apply to a lot in the fall in order to meet deadlines for scholarships and/or honors college consideration and/or program track early consideration.


When you have to apply before you have nailed down where you want to go and how much it will cost, that doesnt make schools you dont attend your 'safety schools'.
From what I have seen from a lot of teens over the years, the above scenario is very common.
Thank you, Sean Penn
 
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Bingo. The answer is easy. We just need to repackage how we scholarship out of state students.

Instead of the complex mess we have now, we need to make it simple.

If you have a 24+ ACT and a 3.8 GPA, we waive out of state tuition. You get an SEC experience for in-state pricing. Collect that $11k a year from those students. Every 91 out of state students you get is a million bucks in tuition. We'd get 2000+ every year. Finish building Alpha Chi Omega a house and then add two more sororities on campus and build them houses.

This is what Arkansas does and they are bringing in a ton of students from TX, GA and FL.

We do the same thing now, its just complicated how we do it and it just needs to be simple. If you have a higher band of ACT, you can get some off of the in-state rate but go after those students with 24-29 ACTs that can't get into UTexas, A&M, UGA, Florida or FSU because of the 10% rule.

And get a freaking Nursing school on campus in Starkville. Its one of the most popular majors and now that Georgia has added it, we are the only SEC school without Nursing.
Help me out. What ACT and GPA must a Mississippi resident have to get in State? Does the Ayers settlement enter into this? Seems like I remember anyone with a 15 ACT could get in all in state schools under Ayers.
 

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Help me out. What ACT and GPA must a Mississippi resident have to get in State? Does the Ayers settlement enter into this? Seems like I remember anyone with a 15 ACT could get in all in state schools under Ayers.
To get in?
3.2 HS GPA with no ACT*
2.5 HS GPA with a 16 ACT
2.0 HS GPA with a 18 ACT

* - this is where you likely are remembering a 15, but its even worse. There is an 11 ACT at Ole Miss right now and a few 12s at MSU under this requirement.

My bitching is that we start giving scholarships to students with a 21. We are awarding millions in scholarships to students with a 21-23 ACT so we can't properly award students with a 30+. We're getting thousands of slightly above average Mississippi students, but allowing Ole Miss (and even USM) to get more of the high achievers. Just start the scholarship matrix at 23 like Ole Miss and Arkansas. The rest of the SEC doesn't start until at least 25 and some don't start until 28.

I actually knew a guy in college that was a reverse-Ayers. Had a 30+ ACT and a 1.9 HS GPA. Just didn't care about high school and blew it off. Barely graduated. Believe it or not, really smart guy who is doing well in life.
 
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I think the high times (not a Sean Penn joke) for colleges and universities may have passed.

There is a pretty drastic shortage of 18-year olds coming over the next several years. I guess the Great Recession wasn’t much of an aphrodisiac.
 
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To get in?
3.2 HS GPA with no ACT*
2.5 HS GPA with a 16 ACT
2.0 HS GPA with a 18 ACT

* - this is where you likely are remembering a 15, but its even worse. There is an 11 ACT at Ole Miss right now and a few 12s at MSU under this requirement.

My bitching is that we start giving scholarships to students with a 21. We are awarding millions in scholarships to students with a 21-23 ACT so we can't properly award students with a 30+. We're getting thousands of slightly above average Mississippi students, but allowing Ole Miss (and even USM) to get more of the high achievers. Just start the scholarship matrix at 23 like Ole Miss and Arkansas. The rest of the SEC doesn't start until at least 25 and some don't start until 28.

I actually knew a guy in college that was a reverse-Ayers. Had a 30+ ACT and a 1.9 HS GPA. Just didn't care about high school and blew it off. Barely graduated. Believe it or not, really smart guy who is doing well in life.
The incredibly low requirement for entry is just insane. How will we ever become anything but a joke academically doing this?

I was talking to a Georgia Tech alumnus a few weeks ago. He said that you need at least a 32 ACT with either Salutatorian or Valedictorian grades in high school just to be considered for entry. This, in a public university. I know we can never catch up to Georgia Tech, but can't we at least try to be good academically? We aren't going to out party school UM or anyone else.

I wish Keenum was as interested in MSU's academics as he is Starkville High school's.
 

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The incredibly low requirement for entry is just insane. How will we ever become anything but a joke academically doing this?

I was talking to a Georgia Tech alumnus a few weeks ago. He said that you need at least a 32 ACT with either Salutatorian or Valedictorian grades in high school just to be considered for entry. This, in a public university. I know we can never catch up to Georgia Tech, but can't we at least try to be good academically? We aren't going to out party school UM or anyone else.

I wish Keenum was as interested in MSU's academics as he is Starkville High school's.
We don’t need to be Georgia Tech. It just sucks that in 2000 we were on par with Auburn academically and now we are the third lowest rated Power 4 school.
 

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I think the high times (not a Sean Penn joke) for colleges and universities may have passed.

There is a pretty drastic shortage of 18-year olds coming over the next several years. I guess the Great Recession wasn’t much of an aphrodisiac.

Yeah. Two Bay Area colleges were given a warning by the WASC in California last week. Both of them are Catholic— Dominican out of San Rafael. I know someone who used to work there.

The other is more well known— St. Mary’s out of Moraga.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/three-bay-area-colleges-now-021719026.html

The third is Academy of Art in San Francisco which was warned back in February.
 
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Wait. They had 40,000+ applicants, but only 5500 incoming Freshman? And another thread said they have a 97% acceptance rate?

So that means around 34,000 students used Ole Miss as their " safety school"???
HaRvURd of TeH SoWtH!!1!!

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I see the usual suspects are strong in this thread. The OP most of all.he accomplished his purpose.
 

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Yeah. Two Bay Area colleges were given a warning by the WASC in California last week. Both of them are Catholic— Dominican out of San Rafael. I know someone who used to work there.

The other is more well known— St. Mary’s out of Moraga.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/three-bay-area-colleges-now-021719026.html

The third is Academy of Art in San Francisco which was warned back in February.
Penn State had an emergency increase of tuition. They said it was to offset lost revenue from closed branch campuses, which were closed to save money.

The music is about to stop and there aren’t enough chairs.
 
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Ole Miss has a lot more northern and northeastern students going there. Many are coming to Ole Miss since tuition is crazy high in their region. I know a young man who attended in Oxford and was from Minnesota. His parents were worth about 28 million and for some reason, they were sold on the Old South Charm.
 

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Ole Miss has a lot more northern and northeastern students going there. Many are coming to Ole Miss since tuition is crazy high in their region. I know a young man who attended in Oxford and was from Minnesota. His parents were worth about 28 million and for some reason, they were sold on the Old South Charm.
My sister in law went to Ole Miss and is from California, and her brother went there before her. Don’t know her parents’ net worth, but I’d put it around $10 million. They both faced a lot of selectivity at the in state schools there were interested in, and both wanted to experience the Greek stuff + SEC football. Parents loved the place and visited regularly as well
 

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We/MSU must be doing something right. I met a guy last night from Tallahassee. His daughter is a freshman and in a sorority. I questioned him at length about his or his daughter’s connection to State. The guy said that nobody in his family had ever attended State nor had anyone in his family ever been to Starkville before. The guy said that his daughter got a mail out from State and met a recruiter at her high school. So she put State on the list of universities to tour when making her decision. He said himself and his daughter toured 4 schools. They both fell in love with State/Starkville. Several things checked out for them in their decision:
No.1 Starkville and the school felt safe.
No.2 The school was not in the middle of some big city ie, Vandy, Ga. Tech.
No.3 Cost. Didn’t say what scholarships they were receiving but the guy said was cheaper.

Big thing for him was he didn’t want his daughter graduating under grad. with so much student loan debt that she couldn’t afford to have a life post graduation.
 

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We don’t need to be Georgia Tech. It just sucks that in 2000 we were on par with Auburn academically and now we are the third lowest rated Power 4 school.
I haven't the time or patience to delve into the Ayres lawsuit, but the federal court set the enrollment acceptance criteria because of underfunding by the legislature for decades. I've heard rumors from some thinking they can take Ole Piss private to avoid the entrance requirements.