Could we hire PJ Fleck after this season?
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Winning nine games with no nil money at this program may not meet your style points requirement but it’s better than this program will ever see again.
7-5, my vote would be to keep him, especially if he proves he can win close games
That season was the exception, not the rule. And there was a lot more that went into it than "THE GREAT AND MIGHTY LEACH"
That’s why he’s in the HOF because he won a lot of games everywhere he coached. You were one of the idiots who trashed Leach at every turn. You have no credibility on the matter
You have me confused with someone else.
But Leach isn't in the hall of fame because of what he did at State. The fact is more often than not Arnett saved his arse.
Oh here it comes he’s going into pathological liar mode. Next comes the name calling.
You and the good ol boys have been proven wrong and you just double down with more lies and obfuscation. Lol
speaking of no credibility
I seem to recall you disappearing from the board for a period of time over your shltty takes.
Good attempt at subject change. Things must be tough down at the used car lot. If you had any self awareness or integrity you’d realize the Leach bashing is a losing argument and time has proven this a laughable position.
There's no subject to change. You haven't made a valid point. As usual.
You have bumped your head.
Arnett was good under Leach, we all know that. Leach hired him, he knew what he wanted. And Leach's offense would have gotten better and better, like it did everywhere else. Sure it was limited by Rogers. But we'd have eventually had Robertson, and on and on.
All your boys finally got what you wanted with Arnett in 2023. Look what happened. You sit around and critique the 20% you don't like and forget that the 80% was the reason you were in such a good position to begin with, that you COULD complain.
Maybe you're right but Rogers is all I have to evaluate him on at State and we got three dreadful years of that.
Nine wins, egg bowl win, top 20 ranking, New Year’s Day bowl win, in second full season with no nil money.
leach is a HOFer and won wherever he was at. Of course peaches and Brad Peterson were a lot smarter than Mike Leach. Lol
For everyone pointing out that we could have won 7 or 8 games last year if Lebby had been a better coach, we could just as easily say that we probably would have been 3-9 without Brennan Thompson making some game-changing catches.
If Lebby were gone and Thompson were still here, I'd probably feel a lot better about 2026.
If Lebby were gone and Thompson were still here, I'd probably feel a lot better about 2026.
This fan base is so broken. Between the Leach hold overs (we were warned this was going to happen when he was hired) to the lack of those who won’t give and support the NIL unless Dey du xactly wut I says (i do that right goat). To the fans that won’t allow a program to mature.
We all want to win but this program has to take some steps from what it’s gone through. I’ll keep saying it. Regardless of how you feel about the current coaches we have to step up and support if we are going to attract someone else if IF Lebby doesn’t work out this year. But to keep bringing **** up that happened 4 years ago when the coach died is dumb. Comparing Mullen and JWS did here is again ignorant. Saying the coach ran off players that said players couldn’t play at their next stop is uneducated. The Landscape has changed we have to all step up and take some responsibility and accountability if we want to win and be a successful football program
We all want to win but this program has to take some steps from what it’s gone through. I’ll keep saying it. Regardless of how you feel about the current coaches we have to step up and support if we are going to attract someone else if IF Lebby doesn’t work out this year. But to keep bringing **** up that happened 4 years ago when the coach died is dumb. Comparing Mullen and JWS did here is again ignorant. Saying the coach ran off players that said players couldn’t play at their next stop is uneducated. The Landscape has changed we have to all step up and take some responsibility and accountability if we want to win and be a successful football program
That TX game was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. I am still embarrassed about how I acted after that game was choked away. My actions are on me but I've never reacted to a State game like that TX game and after decades of watching State football I think that says a lot. Maybe I've just become a more sore loser or maybe Lebs is an idiot moron of a head coach. I hope it's me.
I get it. I have had my moments. The fact is that had we had a a few more will Whitson and less players that made a personal fouls penalty we close that game out.
Im a fan of this team this year. We shall see if it translates on the field but I feel really good about this team.
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Since 2000, 77 men have been head coaches of SEC football programs (I included A&M, TX, Mizzou, OK). One of those went 1-15 or worse in conference their first seasons and was retained for year 3. Bobby Johnson at Vanderbilt after the 2002 and 2003 seasons.
Of those 77 guys, thus far, Jeff Lebby has only proven to be better than one or two. In that entire time going back 25 years he literally has been only better than Chad Morris. If a terrible 2-10 Arkansas team with an interim HC doesn’t give up 200 penalty yards he would be 0-16 in conference. This is a wins and losses business, period. He has been objectively terrible
Of those 77 guys, thus far, Jeff Lebby has only proven to be better than one or two. In that entire time going back 25 years he literally has been only better than Chad Morris. If a terrible 2-10 Arkansas team with an interim HC doesn’t give up 200 penalty yards he would be 0-16 in conference. This is a wins and losses business, period. He has been objectively terrible
It’s also comical to me that people get on here and bash Leach or even Moorhead, when they were both miles better than Lebby has been.
People act like Joe Moorhead was so awful because of the 2018 he inherited “underperformed”. He inherited a team that went 8-4 the year prior…and then went 8-4. People act like it was some catastrophe. Really? He was supposed to win 10 (something we have done 3 times in the past 100 years) or 11 (something we have never done) in his first year?
People act like Joe Moorhead was so awful because of the 2018 he inherited “underperformed”. He inherited a team that went 8-4 the year prior…and then went 8-4. People act like it was some catastrophe. Really? He was supposed to win 10 (something we have done 3 times in the past 100 years) or 11 (something we have never done) in his first year?
Moorhead had zero control of the locker room. Moorhead inherited a solid program and went 8-4, 6-7 and had his star LB punch the star QB. Do we need to talk about Tudor gate?
Say what you will about Lebby. The kids have competed in every game. I have never in my life seen a fan base try to discredit a win… a win… never seen it before until seeing it within this fan base. It’s like they wanted to loose this ARK game. I mean you’re a fan you want to win, why discredit the win??
I could care less if he “lost control of the locker room”. I’d take 14 wins in the first 2 seasons with 2 bowl appearances and 2 Egg bowl wins over 7 wins (half) and 0 egg Bowl wins, getting blown off the field by Toledo.
I don’t care what type of offensive scheme Leach ran, I don’t care what the locker room culture was like under Moorhead. We could run the triple option for all I care, we could have a team full of thugs bigger than 2001 Miami. I simply do not care, all I care about is if that end of the game we have more points than the other team.
You can honestly say, based on what you’ve seen on the field thus far from Lebby, that you’d feel better about going into to his year 3 than you would us going into Leach’s year 3 or Moorhead’s year 3? This is a wins and losses business, period.
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Take leach off the comparison. He died. We can’t control that. No need to compare. He and emerick absolutely wrecked our recruiting especially with Hs coaches that we are stilling trying to repair add in NIL and you get 2024.
you have been bi polar on your takes for the last few years. I’m not happy with 2-10/ 5-7. I do see improvement but it has to be wins this year. That’s what some one you all just can’t get through your skull. He has to win this year. If he does we can start moving to a bigger goal but right now it’s win now. And we must support MSU. It’s sad how much this fan base has just given up. Why? We can win, we can raise money. Look what we got today another milly to put in our coffers. I’m not sure why we can’t dig deep and support this program
How could Leach and Emerick wreck recruiting in the era of NIL and the transfer portal you clown ? Lmao
You bid on a player. What’s the excuse for getting wholesale destroyed in Mississippi high school recruiting right now ? leach still to blame ? This is absolutely brain dead
Stop. I agree with you for the most part but defending Moorhead is bad. Cohen made a bad hire, period. That team was a peak year Mullen had been building towards. Mullen would have challenged for the SEC that year. Moorhead had us looking dysfunctional all year then we were hapless in 2019 against anybody with a pulse. He’d have went 0-10 in the Covid year and 3-9 against a normal schedule, probably 2-10. Clearly a downward trajectory in the pre-NIL/portal era. Croom, Moorhead and Lenny are all similar.
Come on, half our internet fans discredited every win Leach got, including game 1 when he went on the road and beat the defending champs.
Try this on… super Dave wanted to wait until a kid has other sec p4 offers before he offered. Wanted to prioritize out of state kids and didn’t think Mississippi players would win games in the SEC. Did away with coaching clinics and brining in coaches to program. . He ran recruiting under leach. He was the one who had to sign off on if a player was offered. When he left Matt dudek took over. Again. Not a great fit at recruiting. Zero development add to that when leach passed and we hired ZA the nil hit and we were very unprepared for NIL. That’s about two recruiting cycles where we had a laughable amount in NIl. The Dec 24 and spring 25 portal windows were the first time we had any money to be competitive or at least get to the table. This past portal class were able to compete in NIl but had so many roster holes especially on the OL that we took some guys who could have and should have signed with us out of HS.
As far as HS recruiting right now. Get back with me in Dec when they sign dumbass
100% made up horsecrap. The loudmouth small brain boosters whom leach told to stay away from the practice facility didn’t come up with any NIL scratch for football when Leach was here, surprise surprise. They did however blow up the program by firing his staff, making puppet Arnett the HC and Brad Peterson was the booster point man. They installed the Barbay power run game.
howd all that work out ? Took a 9 win team returning the most senior starters in the sec and 8 home games right into the toilet. They destroyed the program. No AD in place, Keenum let them run things.
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Nothing, zero what I posted was made up. Now **** you just posted is exactly made up in your mid level mind or you read here in a message board post by someone else who made that story up.
Sit this one out 85. You showing your lack of knowledge and information. Continue those downing those beers and making up stories. You and others have no clue what has happened and transpired over the past few years.
Vote to keep a coach that goes 7-5. WTH universe are we living in if we thank 7-5 is the water mark for keeping or firing a coach at "msu"
Every time you post, it proves to me you don't know any more or less than anybody else on this message board. No such thing as credibility on a board loaded with keyboard cowboy football knowledgeable wannabes.
Explain your thoughts on Dillingham in 2023 his first year at ASU. I’m all ears bud.
I laugh at this. Just because someone was not successful at the end of their last stop does not mean they are not a good head coach. Look at Kiffin. Totally flamed out at USC. Ole Miss didn’t say “he couldn’t win at USC with all that USC money”. They gave him a second chance, a place to resurrect his career, and look where he got them.
Mississippi State should turn our noses up at guys that have won national championships, played for national championships, won 10+ multiple times at other P4 schools? Really? I would much rather have Jimbo Fisher, Brian Kelly, Mike Gundy, Norvell if he’s fired, even freaking Ed Oregon than I would rather have Charles Huff or a learn on the job coordinator.
Lane had to rebuild his career as an OC at bama then went to FAU. Jimbo proved in the NIL era he couldn’t get the best out of his talent he accumulated. He also hasn’t been considered for any openings. Hard pass.
You brought up gundy. Guy has flamed out at okie state. He hates NIL, and hates recruiting. Norvell is another guy who won at Memphis had two good years at FSU but has slowly distanced himself from his boosters. Off field issues as well. Oregeron. Really? Dude lucked into Joe Burrow and then floundered. I can’t take anyone serious if they want Eddie O. Kelly. That’s an interesting one. Culturally it was a bad fit at LSU but he recruited well except for QB other than Daniels. But also, he pissed a lot of big tiger donors off. He has a **** ton of off field baggage though, but maybe a year off has cleared his head. Again let’s see how this year plays out
Man, you’re out of your mind if you really think we should say no to Brian Kelly, Gundy, Jimbo if they expressed an interest in this job.
“Hey Gundy, Kelly, Jimbo, I know you guys won 170 games (Gundy), or played for a national title (Kelly), or even won a national title before (Jimbo). We’ve gone 12-25 the past three years and have not won a conference game in our stadium in 4 years. I appreciate your interest in our job. But thanks but no thanks, we don’t want you. We’re going to go with the first year coach from the University of Memphis or ______ coordinator who has never been a head coach instead.”
Another thing, forget those guys. How about this? There’s a not big but definite chance that USC, Texas, or Alabama fires their coach if they don’t make the playoff this year. Would your logic be “We can’t hire Lincoln Riley, Steve Sarkisian, or Kalen DeBoer! They suck! They just got fired from their last job, they couldn’t win at those big schools with all those resources!”. Get the 17 out of here I’d take any of those guys in 2 seconds.
Let’s break this down a little. Gundy is a hard no for me. Look at his last two years at OkState 3-9 1-11 fired mid season. Why would you want that! guys on the down cycle and zero fire to get back into the war of the SEC. Deboer just signed a huge extension. Sark isn’t getting fired at Texas another moot point. Riley sure he’s not winning at the clip at USC but he’s had one year of 7 wins followed by 9 wins. He’s probably got a great chance at the playoffs in the BIG10 this year. Kelly I said was an interesting name but again he’s got a lot of off field issues. You then bring ip Huff. No one has brought his name up but you. I’m not anti huff like you but not pro huff either. I think you need to do a little more research on coaches before being definitive on a coach. Again. Let’s see how this year plays out before we start a hot board
You talk about others' credibility and then you post this. I really hope you're not this stupid in real life and it's just a sixpack gimmick.
Teams have to field an 85 man roster. You still have to have in state connections and recruit your area well. You aren't doing NIL bidding on all 85 players. 77 and I have disagreed on a lot but he's a million percent right on Leach's recruiting. Under Leach, our entire recruiting network in the region got wrecked. It took years to build it and it will take years to rebuild it. We are still paying the price for it and it's a big reason Lebby is struggling in state right now. To deny this is to be completely divorced from reality.
It's unfortunate that Leach died. But he had already been telling people that the next season was going to be his last anyway. And we would've ultimately had the same problems. He had a great career and is a legend in a lot of ways but his legacy at Mississippi State will be how the roster got cratered. That's reality that some of you blind Leach loyalists can't get your head around.