Pope's SOS and performance so far at UK

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Wednesday at 10:39 PM

Pope has faced the two most difficult schedules in UK's history rated at 14.04 and 12.96 for an average of 13.50 while winning 63.9 % of his games. UK has played schedules rated above 10.60 seven other times with an average rating of 11.44 while winning 60.8% of their games.

While we all agree Pope needs to upgrade the outcome in the near future I think this perspective as well the injury situation he has dealt with gives some reason to exercise a bit more patience for now.

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CRZ4UK · Wednesday at 10:51 PM

Oh boy, You’re gonna get attacked by the Pope hate police.
Facts won’t matter. Don’t bother arguing them. He’s goofy remember.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Wednesday at 10:57 PM

CRZ4UK said:
Oh boy, You’re gonna get attacked by the Pope hate police.
Facts won’t matter. Don’t bother arguing them. He’s goofy remember.

You are correct and I know this all too well but I won't let that stop me from adding some factual balance to this non stop volley.

Anon200440 · Wednesday at 11:01 PM

Eh I feel like if u actually watch the games youll see why the fans and media are the way we are. At times the product can be absolutely unbearable.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Wednesday at 11:03 PM

Anon200440 said:
Eh I feel like if u actually watch the games youll see why the fans and media are the way we are. At times the product can be absolutely unbearable.

I watch every game and I'm well aware that a great many of you are negative entitled crybaby's is why you feel the way you do.

FactsOrOpinions · Wednesday at 11:03 PM

So basically you admit he hasn't performed up to standard......but given the injury situation he deserves more time. So the Pope hate police don't have to come out if you're already admitting he hasn't performed up to standard and needs to improve the results in the near future.

Why do the hate police have to come out when you are saying what they would say. BBN is funny. 14 losses. Get better or hit the road. Which is what you said basically..

FactsOrOpinions · Wednesday at 11:05 PM

Anon200440 said:
Eh I feel like if u actually watch the games youll see why the fans and media are the way we are. At times the product can be absolutely unbearable.

It's not at times....it's quite often but you got people like Paul and Cowboy that would rather be nice to Pope than uphold a fanbases expectations for the greatest tradition in college sports.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Wednesday at 11:06 PM

FactsOrOpinions said:
So basically you admit he hasn't performed up to standard......but given the injury situation he deserves more time. So the Pope hate police don't have to come out if you're already admitting he hasn't performed up to standard and needs to improve the results in the near future.

Why do the hate police have to come out when you are saying what they would say. BBN is funny. 14 losses. Get better or hit the road. Which is what you said basically..

That's what I have always said. It has always been a matter of how long do you give him to get this going. I have always conceded this to be the fact. Are you willing to concede that injuries and schedule matter and a revolving door situation is something that is preferable to avoid whether it be Mark Pope or anyone else with at least moderate success and no off court disasters in the short term?

FactsOrOpinions · Wednesday at 11:11 PM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
That's what I have always said. It has always been a matter of how long do you give him to get this going.

I'm just lost on your stance . He needs to get better period. If we keep allowing lamont butler's injury and Robinson's injury to be an excuse for what Pope has been his entire 15 (it's actually 11)years of coaching then what are we doing? Idk exactly how long he's coached but that's besides the point.

So you're saying the exact same thing Pope haters are saying but being nice about it? I'm not being a smart *** I'm just genuinely confused on how do you call out Pope haters but have the same opinion as them behind all the positivity spins.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Wednesday at 11:18 PM

Are you capable of at least being honest if you wish to debate this? He has coached 11 years not 15. This is very easy to look up and I provided a link that would've answered that for you in the OP of this very thread.

The injuries and schedule are hard facts that must be considered when giving an honest assessment. I've never said his level of success so far would cut it here long term but discussion of firing a guy after just a season or two especially when one of them was plenty solid even with difficult circumstances that were beyond his control is ridiculous imo.

FactsOrOpinions · Wednesday at 11:24 PM

Which is why I made sure to state I'm not sure exactly how long he's coached but that's besides the point.....I said that because I understand who I'm talking to.

But I'm capable of having any conversation you want. I didn't attack you and call you cry baby like you do people.

You're saying he shouldn't be fired after a season or two given the circumstances...ok I agree.. but you're also saying if the results don't improve in the near future he should be fired..

All I was saying is there's not much difference in somebody saying fireeeee Poop. And somebody saying if he don't improve he should be fired.

It's just a timing thing. I guess a Pope hater would want him fired asap and a person like you would want him fired if he keeps having the same results that you are admitting aren't up to par with Kentucky basketball.

Your just being a little more gracious than the Pope police but basically agreeing with them. So it's odd to call out people that want him fired a little sooner than you because we both agree his results are fire worthy....

FactsOrOpinions · Wednesday at 11:26 PM

I am on the side that he should have been fired after Bridgestone arena. But I also have enough sense to understand why that can't happen. But it should have.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Wednesday at 11:34 PM

If you weren't willing to look it up for verification you should never have thrown a number out at all.

You were correct not to call me a crybaby like I have others because I do not constantly whine and complain like they do. You did see where he implied I do not even watch the games? I would have kept it more cordial otherwise.

Absolutely no one advocates for keeping someone here long term if they do not succeed at a higher rate. Firing coaches every two to three years if they do not meet the high demands of this job is a terrible strategy barring disastrous circumstances imo whether it be Pope or anyone else.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Wednesday at 11:36 PM

FactsOrOpinions said:
I am on the side that he should have been fired after Bridgestone arena. But I also have enough sense to understand why that can't happen. But it should have.

That is just a childish knee jerk reaction and I can't really respect such an opinion. I'm glad those actually in charge are not ruled by their emotions like you are advocating for here. I was likely just as unhappy watching that game as you were but I was able to calm down and be rational about it after the fact. It definitely sucked but ultimately it was just one regular season game.

FactsOrOpinions · Wednesday at 11:54 PM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
That is just a childish knee jerk reaction and I can't really respect such an opinion. I'm glad those actually in charge are not ruled by their emotions like you are advocating for here. I was likely just as unhappy watching that game as you were but I was able to calm down and be rational about it after the fact. It definitely sucked but ultimately it was just one regular season game.

I was calm. I'm calm now. I'm not sure if you actually read what is said. Did you see the part where I said I understand why it couldn't happen?

No I'm not in charge. I'm just a random fan on a forum like you. You are the king of ignoring peoples points and trying to undermine someone's intelligence.

FactsOrOpinions · Wednesday at 11:56 PM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
If you weren't willing to look it up for verification you should never have thrown a number out at all.

You were correct not to call me a crybaby like I have others because I do not constantly whine and complain like they do. You did see where he implied I do not even watch the games? I would have kept it more cordial otherwise.

Absolutely no one advocates for keeping someone here long term if they do not succeed at a higher rate. Firing coaches every two to three years if they do not meet the high demands of this job is a terrible strategy barring disastrous circumstances imo whether it be Pope or anyone else.

Also I don't have to look it up because on a forum with general discussion the point does not change at all if he's been coaching 20 years or ten. Do you have the intellectual ability to not have every single thing written out like a fact chart?

Same old Paul....ignore the point and focus on useless facts that don't change the point someone is trying to make.

FactsOrOpinions · Wednesday at 11:57 PM

But before you run off on things that don't matter...or focus on the least meaningful thing I said let's just keep it short......

14 losses. Do better or get out of Kentucky. Call the Pope police on me.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Thursday at 12:00 AM

FactsOrOpinions said:
I was calm. I'm calm now. I'm not sure if you actually read what is said. Did you see the part where I said I understand why it couldn't happen.

No I'm not in charge. I'm just a random fan on a forum like you. You are the king of ignoring peoples points and trying to undermine someone's intelligence.

You said you understood it couldn't actually happen but you are still saying you are on the side that he should have been fired after that game. I do not buy for one second that you were calm watching that game. I read everything and comprehended it just fine. I addressed all of your points.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Thursday at 12:05 AM

FactsOrOpinions said:
Also I don't have to look it up because on a forum with general discussion the point does not change at all if he's been coaching 20 years or ten. Do you have the intellectual ability to not have every single thing written out like a fact chart?

Same old Paul....ignore the point and focus on useless facts that don't change the point someone is trying to make.

To now say the facts have no bearing on the point you are trying to make is absurd. It's interesting that those who always claim things to be mistakes or accidents always have those misrepresentations land in favor of their own argument.

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 12:08 AM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
You said you understood it couldn't actually happen but you are still saying you are on the side that he should have been fired after that game. I do not buy for one second that you were calm watching that game. I read everything and comprehended it just fine. I addressed all of your points.

Yes. That performance was so EMBERRASING and disrespectful to the university of Kentucky that I said he should be fired. Yes.

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 12:12 AM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
To now say the facts have no bearing on the point you are trying to make is absurd. It's interesting that those who always claim things to be mistakes or accidents always have those misrepresentations land in favor of their own argument.

So let me go change the amount of years I said he was coaching........and put the exact amount....that does not change the point I was making at all. Don't try to complicate anything. Stay on subject.

So that whole paragraph I wrote and you ignore all the points I made because I didn't have the number of years right and admittedly in the same post said I'm not sure if the years are right but I didn't have to waste the time to look it up because I thought I was talking to adults that had the intellectual ability to comprehend the simplest points.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Thursday at 12:13 AM

FactsOrOpinions said:
Yes. That performance was so EMBERRASING and disrespectful to the university of Kentucky that I said he should be fired. Yes.

I will repeat just like you have done here. To be that butthurt because on a given day the team didn't meet your demands is an irrational childish kneejerk reaction. That you insist this to be a calm unemotional response over one regular season game is laughable.

If you are going to capitalize full words for emphasis you really should put extra effort into spelling them correctly.

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 12:15 AM

I edited it for you Paul. It says 11 now

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 12:16 AM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
I will repeat just like you have done here. To be that butthurt because on a given day the team didn't meet your demands is an irrational childish kneejerk reaction. That you insist this to be a calm unemotional response over one regular season game is laughable.

To have an opinion that he should have been fired and also be human and realize that's not going to happen..... You always try to overcomplicate things.

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 12:17 AM

Somebody tell Pope there's a chance of injury this season with players and that won't excuse 14 loss seasons.

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 12:19 AM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
To now say the facts have no bearing on the point you are trying to make is absurd. It's interesting that those who always claim things to be mistakes or accidents always have those misrepresentations land in favor of their own argument.

I took a massive shiyat today. Does that point change if I say it was 6 inches long or 10 inches. You understand I took a massive shiyat regardless right? You're a character.

Edit...I used 6 and 10 because the difference is 4 just like 11 and 15... Doesn't change a damn thing about what I'm saying

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Thursday at 12:27 AM

FactsOrOpinions said:
So let me go change the amount of years I said he was coaching........and put the exact amount....that does not change the point I was making at all. Don't try to complicate anything. Stay on subject.

So that whole paragraph I wrote and you ignore all the points I made because I didn't have the number of years right and admittedly in the same post said I'm not sure if the years are right but I didn't have to waste the time to look it up because I thought I was talking to adults that had the intellectual ability to comprehend the simplest points.

This has passed the point of ridiculous but I'll address this just to humor you. Nobody is using the Butler, Carr, Kriisa, Robinson, Lowe, Quantaince, and Williams injuries to excuse his entire career. It was such an absurd proposition there was no real reason to have to explain this to you. His performance at Utah Valley and Brigham Young were actually pretty successful for the given situations and obviously have zero relation to the injuries that have occurred at UK.

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 12:27 AM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
I will repeat just like you have done here. To be that butthurt because on a given day the team didn't meet your demands is an irrational childish kneejerk reaction. That you insist this to be a calm unemotional response over one regular season game is laughable.

If you are going to capitalize full words for emphasis you really should put extra effort into spelling them correctly.

It automatically did the capitalize but good thing about me is I'm not here for English perfection. My points are clear as day regardless of how many deflection tactics you try and use

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Thursday at 12:28 AM

FactsOrOpinions said:
I took a massive shiyat today. Does that point change if I say it was 6 inches long or 10 inches. You understand I took a massive shiyat regardless right? You're a character.

Edit...I used 6 and 10 because the difference is 4 just like 11 and 15... Doesn't change a damn thing about what I'm saying

You are behaving like an utter clown. If you can't be bothered to use accurate numbers why use numbers at all?

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 12:29 AM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
This has passed the point of ridiculous but I'll address this just to humor you. Nobody is using the Butler, Carr, Kriisa, and Robinson injuries to excuse his an entire career. It was such an absurd proposition there was no real reason to have to explain this to you. His performance at Utah Valley and Brigham Young were actually pretty successful for the given situation and obviously have zero relation to the injuries that have occurred at UK.

Pope is what he is. We don't gotta see it much longer.

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 12:30 AM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
You are behaving like an utter clown.

No just trying to dumb it down for you since you want to complicate things. I have to be a clown but also my point is clear as day again. You understand it was a big ol poopy regardless of the exact inches.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Thursday at 12:36 AM

FactsOrOpinions said:
Pope is what he is. We don't gotta see it much longer.

That is a very myopic view and several legendary coaches would have been fired from their prospective institutions prior to having massive success using your prescribed judgement criteria.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Thursday at 12:39 AM

FactsOrOpinions said:

It automatically did the capitalize but good thing about me is I'm not here for English perfection. My points are clear as day regardless of how many deflection tactics you try and use

There was no deflection being used so this is another fail on your part. Pointing out your embarrassing emphasized misspelling detracted nothing from the point which had already been addressed. Just fyi capitalization would have been the right word usage in this post as well.

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Thursday at 12:43 AM

FactsOrOpinions said:
No just trying to dumb it down for you since you want to complicate things. I have to be a clown but also my point is clear as day again. You understand it was a big ol poopy regardless of the exact inches.

This tactic of exaggerating the time he has been coaching has been used many times by many posters to try to strengthen their case against him and it is deceitful. Your refusal to just acknowledge and accept the correction by claiming it to be inconsequential as if I am just being pedantic is a poor reflection of character.

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 12:47 AM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
This tactic of exaggerating the time he has been coaching has been used many times by many posters to try to strengthen their case against him and it is deceitful. Your refusal to just acknowledge and accept the correction by claiming it to be inconsequential as if I am just being pedantic is a poor reflection of character.

11...15...not a big exaggerating...you know a big poopy when you see one

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 12:48 AM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
That is a very myopic view and several legendary coaches would have been fired from their prospective institutions prior to having massive success using your proscribed judgement criteria.

I pray that Pope proves me wrong because you know what Paul. Kentucky is my team and if Pope becomes legendary that means my team must be winning

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Thursday at 12:50 AM

FactsOrOpinions said:
11...15...not a big exaggerating...you know a big poopy when you see one

This is a stupid argument even though you think being crass makes it seem clever. It does not relate to the discussion.

FactsOrOpinions · Thursday at 1:01 AM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
This is a stupid argument even though you think being crass makes it seem clever. It does not relate to the discussion.

I can admit I'm being goofy Paul. But what I'm not going to do is keep going in a paragraph battle with you when it will get us nowhere.

We're both UK fans and want the best for UK I would imagine. Maybe Pope kills it this year. I'll be happy. I want Pope to succeed.

LadyCaytIL · Thursday at 1:53 AM

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 said:
Pope has faced the two most difficult schedules in UK's history rated at 14.04 and 12.96 for and average of 13.50 while winning 63.9 % of his games. UK has played schedules rated above 10.60 seven other times with an average rating of 11.44 while winning 60.8% of their games.

While we all agree Pope needs to upgrade the outcome in the near future I think this perspective as well the injury situation he has dealt with gives some reason to exercise a bit more patience for now.

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What was his excuse for never having a great season at BYU or Utah St?

paulcalhoun_rivals397471 · Thursday at 1:55 AM

LadyCaytIL said:
What was his excuse for never having a great season at BYU or Utah St?

It was BYU and Utah Valley St. He did have success by their standards so no excuse necessary imo. His last two seasons at Utah Valley were the two winningest seasons they had experienced as a program. When looking at BYU's historical SRS (rating of performance vs. schedule difficulty) Pope had the 1st, 4th and 7th highest rated seasons in their 122 season history during his time there.

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