Land Grantin': Clemson hires Michigan State president, he gets peek under the hood and stays at Michigan State

tired · Tuesday at 10:00 PM

My wife is from Clemson & she's griped about Dabo not going hard in the portal the past couple years. I said, that's the least of your worries.

With 2 sons at State she finally decided to don the M&W.

Clemson is in a great area. Land & housing is affordable with good schools. Goat is correct. And I've been there more than a couple times.

They've got Cathy, Brown, Snow & Powers $$$. The problem is the leadership. I can see the boosters easing some of that burden with competent leadership. But they've got to get the Board of Trustees in line also. Those guys undermined Guskiewicz from day 1. It is a mess of proportions I'm not sure I've ever seen? Can't put all the $$ for athletics into NIL & leave none to run the AD.

bsquared24 · Wednesday at 3:34 AM

HotMop said:
Did you not get out of state waived?

The problem is they waive 95% of out of state for high test score but then give next to nothing toward cover the remainder (instate) of tuition. We’ve run into the same problem with my daughter.

Colonel Angus.sixpack · Wednesday at 6:57 AM

Does State not waive out of state tuition for children of alumni? That’s a huge problem if they don’t.

MississippiTexan · Wednesday at 7:30 AM

Colonel Angus.sixpack said:
Does State not waive out of state tuition for children of alumni? That’s a huge problem if they don’t.

No, they don't. Children of alumni get $4,000, which doesn't come close to covering the difference between in-state tuition and out of state tuition at State ($11,095 vs $30,086) https://www.admissions.msstate.edu/tuition

Edit: Looks like they raised it to $5,000. I was going off what my kids were offered when they applied a couple of years ago. https://www.admissions.msstate.edu/...mni-non-resident-tuition-scholarship-freshmen

OG Goat Holder · Wednesday at 7:41 AM

MississippiTexan said:
No, they don't. Children of alumni get $4,000, which doesn't come close to covering the difference between in-state tuition and out of state tuition at State ($11,095 vs $30,086) https://www.admissions.msstate.edu/tuition

Edit: Looks like they raised it to $5,000. I was going off what my kids were offered when they applied a couple of years ago. https://www.admissions.msstate.edu/...mni-non-resident-tuition-scholarship-freshmen

I have never quite understood this. With pretty much everybody bordering us waiving the out of state, we continue to try and be selective? Makes no sense.

Maroon Eagle · Wednesday at 7:46 AM

OG Goat Holder said:
I have never quite understood this. With pretty much everybody bordering us waiving the out of state, we continue to try and be selective? Makes no sense.

Oh. That’s easy. As long as folks are willing to pay, State will gladly accept…

615dawg · Wednesday at 7:56 AM

Colonel Angus.sixpack said:
Does State not waive out of state tuition for children of alumni? That’s a huge problem if they don’t.

They stopped doing that quite a long time ago. It sucks, especially when Arkansas is waiving OOS for border states to attract talent.

Ive always thought that schools should waive OOS to alumni and allow them to get scholarships as in-state students, but not many doing that anymore. LSU dropped it as well.

She Mate Me · Wednesday at 9:46 AM

615dawg said:
They stopped doing that quite a long time ago. It sucks, especially when Arkansas is waiving OOS for border states to attract talent.

Ive always thought that schools should waive OOS to alumni and allow them to get scholarships as in-state students, but not many doing that anymore. LSU dropped it as well.

I had no idea. That seems stupid as 17.

615dawg · Wednesday at 10:07 AM

She Mate Me said:
I had no idea. That seems stupid as 17.

It is stupid as 17.

Look what the Governor of Arkansas has implemented. If a kid from Mississippi has a 3.8 GPA, they get 90% of out of state waived, then they are eligible for scholarships on top of that.

New Arkansan Non-Resident Tuition Award Scholarship NRTA Eligibility Map

scholarships.uark.edu

Colonel Angus.sixpack · Wednesday at 10:08 AM

She Mate Me said:
I had no idea. That seems stupid as 17.

Just tell them Ole Miss does. Maybe that will change their minds

615dawg · Wednesday at 10:53 AM

Saw this post from someone close to the Clemson situation. I think he's right and it translates to State, Auburn, Oklahoma State et. al. Clemson can't follow the Alabama model because land grant colleges are designed to serve the state.

OG Goat Holder · Wednesday at 11:02 AM

Maroon Eagle said:
Oh. That’s easy. As long as folks are willing to pay, State will gladly accept…

Is State's out-of-state tuition still better than the other options? I can't imagine someone from Alabama paying more and going to State than paying less and going to Alabama/Auburn. Unless they aren't getting in or something. Even then, I'd still opt for a smaller college instate than go out of state.

But.....I bet what's happening is that the colleges (MSU in this case) is capitalizing on status. The kid from Alabama doesn't get into Alabama/Auburn but the parents are too cool to send them to Troy.

OG Goat Holder · Wednesday at 11:03 AM

615dawg said:
Saw this post from someone close to the Clemson situation. I think he's right and it translates to State, Auburn, Oklahoma State et. al. Clemson can't follow the Alabama model because land grant colleges are designed to serve the state.

Fundamentally, why does this matter? Unless they are turning down in-state kids for some reason.

Duke Humphrey · Wednesday at 1:29 PM

615dawg said:
It is stupid as 17.

Look what the Governor of Arkansas has implemented. If a kid from Mississippi has a 3.8 GPA, they get 90% of out of state waived, then they are eligible for scholarships on top of that.

New Arkansan Non-Resident Tuition Award Scholarship NRTA Eligibility Map

scholarships.uark.edu

That is merit based, not just a blanket waiver of OOS for alumni.... What is state's merit based scholarship to compare apples to apples. So, if as described earlier in the thread, you get $5k knocked off for just being the child of an alum, what else do you get based on merit? I bet it gets pretty close to waiving the whole thing.

Also, State and Ole Miss have had to maximize what they can collect from OOS tuition to offset the state underfunding them.

Duke Humphrey · Wednesday at 1:34 PM

OG Goat Holder said:
Is State's out-of-state tuition still better than the other options? I can't imagine someone from Alabama paying more and going to State than paying less and going to Alabama/Auburn. Unless they aren't getting in or something. Even then, I'd still opt for a smaller college instate than go out of state.

But.....I bet what's happening is that the colleges (MSU in this case) is capitalizing on status. The kid from Alabama doesn't get into Alabama/Auburn but the parents are too cool to send them to Troy.

MSU's OOS tuition is significantly less than peer universities (Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Arkansas, etc). Auburn and Clemson might be selective with admission, but Alabama and Arkansas are not. Further, MSU's in state tuition is cheaper than regional universities in Alabama.

HotMop · Wednesday at 2:05 PM

Colonel Angus.sixpack said:
Does State not waive out of state tuition for children of alumni? That’s a huge problem if they don’t.

Mine did, not sure what type of scholarship she got. It is still cheaper for us than her going to an In-State school in Florida with all tuition paid.

00Dawg · Wednesday at 3:21 PM

Duke Humphrey said:
Further, MSU's in state tuition is cheaper than regional universities in Alabama.

It's comparable to most (Jax State, Troy, etc). The +fees part is where things get squirrely, but the short answer is it's not technically cheaper than all of them.
Where State loses the battle more frequently is housing and food. Plus the regionals are able to apply scholarship monies directly to lower tuition where State is applying it to OoS first. Jax State ended up being ~$8,000/year cheaper than State. I can easily argue an SEC experience is worth that difference (and her attending Alabama would've likely been almost the same as State), but for the degree the daughter is after, and not gaining anything due to where her other priorities lay, that gap was too much to overcome, and State lost.

615dawg · Wednesday at 4:03 PM

00Dawg said:
It's comparable to most (Jax State, Troy, etc). The +fees part is where things get squirrely, but the short answer is it's not technically cheaper than all of them.
Where State loses the battle more frequently is housing and food. Plus the regionals are able to apply scholarship monies directly to lower tuition where State is applying it to OoS first. Jax State ended up being ~$8,000/year cheaper than State. I can easily argue an SEC experience is worth that difference (and her attending Alabama would've likely been almost the same as State), but for the degree the daughter is after, and not gaining anything due to where her other priorities lay, that gap was too much to overcome, and State lost.

Jax State is a good example.

Lets just say you have a 3.8 GPA and a 27 ACT FROM Alabama. That's a good student with an ACT score in the top 5% in Mississippi/Alabama. You are a child of an alumnus as well.

Mississippi State: $21,000 scholarship per year ($24,286 out of pocket)
Jacksonville State: $9,000 scholarship per year ($18,240 out of pocket)

If you are the same student FROM MISSISSIPPI

Mississippi State $5,000 scholarship per year ($21,295 out of pocket)
Jacksonville State: WAIVE OUT OF STATE TUITION + $9,000 scholarship per year ($18,240 out of pocket)

Jax State is a better deal EVEN for a Missisippi student.

If the same student wanted to go to Arkansas and lived in Mississippi

Arkansas: $5,000 scholarship + 90% waiver of out of state tuition ($25,106 out of pocket)

I tell people that are shocked when their kids get to about 10th grade and start peeking that if they want an SEC experience, plan on $25k a year.

OG Goat Holder · Wednesday at 4:34 PM

615dawg said:
I tell people that are shocked when their kids get to about 10th grade and start peeking that if they want an SEC experience, plan on $25k a year.

I'm starting to think that's overrated. I cared a lot more about college sports in the years after I left school, rather than when I was there. It was just more of a party or thing to do back then.

And if you're close, you can still go to games.

bsquared24 · Thursday at 7:24 AM

615dawg said:
Jax State is a good example.

Lets just say you have a 3.8 GPA and a 27 ACT FROM Alabama. That's a good student with an ACT score in the top 5% in Mississippi/Alabama. You are a child of an alumnus as well.

Mississippi State: $21,000 scholarship per year ($24,286 out of pocket)
Jacksonville State: $9,000 scholarship per year ($18,240 out of pocket)

If you are the same student FROM MISSISSIPPI

Mississippi State $5,000 scholarship per year ($21,295 out of pocket)
Jacksonville State: WAIVE OUT OF STATE TUITION + $9,000 scholarship per year ($18,240 out of pocket)

Jax State is a better deal EVEN for a Missisippi student.

If the same student wanted to go to Arkansas and lived in Mississippi

Arkansas: $5,000 scholarship + 90% waiver of out of state tuition ($25,106 out of pocket)

I tell people that are shocked when their kids get to about 10th grade and start peeking that if they want an SEC experience, plan on $25k a year.

This math is what I’m seeing for State, Ole Miss, and Arkansas for my rising HS senior who has a 3.9 and 32 act (yes I’ll brag on her). We are considering sending her to college in Switzerland or Austria for around 8k and that includes being on their health system.

615dawg · Thursday at 7:47 AM

bsquared24 said:
This math is what I’m seeing for State, Ole Miss, and Arkansas for my rising HS senior who has a 3.9 and 32 act (yes I’ll brag on her). We are considering sending her to college in Switzerland or Austria for around 8k and that includes being on their health system.

The focus of the Brain Drain issue in Mississippi is always on our best and brighest leaving the state after college. I would argue that students like your daughter are discouraged in MIssissippi as high school seniors looking at scholarship prospects.

Huckabee's daughter in Arkansas has a great idea and its paying dividends. They are going after out of state talent in high school with the New Arkansasan Scholarship program. They are turning NWA into one of the best places to live/work/go to school in the country.

My fear is all this turnaround in Mississippi is going to be for naught if all we have left is the bottom quartile. A student like yours should be tuition free at any MS college + probably half of room and board at least. Ole Miss is busy trying to attract rich kids from the Atlanta and Dallas suburbs and State is going hard after 21-24 ACT students. I don't get it, but best wishes to your daughter, a bright Mississippi scholar.

615dawg · Thursday at 7:49 AM

OG Goat Holder said:
I'm starting to think that's overrated. I cared a lot more about college sports in the years after I left school, rather than when I was there. It was just more of a party or thing to do back then.

And if you're close, you can still go to games.

Its definitely overrated. But its a thing.

The Peeper · Thursday at 8:19 AM

DoggieDaddy13 said:
And the fans will be there spooning it up because - what else are we going to do.

"What else are we going to do?"

Instead of spending thousands on tickets, ticket seat fees, parking fees, parking fees for the privilege of having parking, NIL, $12 beers, what I have done is put that money on my lawn, an outdoor shop building, and a weekend getaway cabin I'm fixing up. Last Christmas I wrote a check to pay down my kids student loans with the thought that instead buying an athlete a car I'd help my kids out with their MSU obligation. You don't have to give your money to the athletic dept, you just NOPE OUT and move on. Until now I've still tailgated at every home game but doesn't look like we're doing that this season either because of the parking fees and the privilege to park fee. It's not complicated. Until they start making sound decisions and give me some glimmer of hope and reason to contribute, I'll invest in myself and family instead.

Duke Humphrey · Thursday at 8:22 AM

615dawg said:
Huckabee's daughter in Arkansas has a great idea and its paying dividends. They are going after out of state talent in high school with the New Arkansasan Scholarship program. They are turning NWA into one of the best places to live/work/go to school in the country.

This is a different debate altogether, and possibly a chicken or egg one, but at least Arkansas has a place that these type of students can and WANT (this cannot be emphasized enough) to work after graduation in NWA and even Little Rock.

The problem is that both State and UM are losing those we do keep in MS to educate.

The Peeper · Thursday at 8:25 AM

OG Goat Holder said:
MSU is 60 miles, maybe more, from an interstate. I get what you’re saying but think we may have the worst situation logistically in the P4.

MSU has 4 lane highways coming in from N, S, and W. Those connect to interstates. From the East its 4 lane to the AL line and then only a short distance to T'town for interstates. K
You're saying kids don't want to drive on 4 lane highways, they want 4 lane interstates? If you are saying they want large cities towns and clean urban areas say it, don't say they want federal interstates.

OG Goat Holder · Thursday at 8:43 AM

The Peeper said:
MSU has 4 lane highways coming in from N, S, and W. Those connect to interstates. From the East its 4 lane to the AL line and then only a short distance to T'town for interstates. K
You're saying kids don't want to drive on 4 lane highways, they want 4 lane interstates? If you are saying they want large cities towns and clean urban areas say it, don't say they want federal interstates.

AND.....2 hours from any sizable metro area.

I suppose Tupelo could keep growing.

The Peeper · Thursday at 9:03 AM

OG Goat Holder said:
AND.....2 hours from any sizable metro area.

I suppose Tupelo could keep growing.

Then say it's 2 hours from any sizable metro area, instead of blaming the 60 mile distance from Winona to Starkville and an interstate. There are hundreds of miles starting in TX all the way to CA w/ nothing actually on the interstates themselves. There are hundreds of miles through the Midwest along interstates w/ nothing on them. There are hundreds of miles along interstates in the Northern Plains w/ nothing along them. Nobody wants to try and get inside your head and decipher your thoughts

615dawg · Thursday at 9:08 AM

I love this state, but the Mississippi Mentality is growing old as my kids get older.

Ridgeland is getting a Dave and Busters, something that has existed for decades, and people are acting like its the most amazing thing ever to come to the state while attacking data centers that have the possibility of transforming the area into something extraordinary.

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