I hate soccer and won’t watch the World Cup Thread.

manatree

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They should have offsides in basketball.

Back in the day, girls basketball was six on six with each team having three guards (defense) and three forwards (offense) and no one could crossover the half court line. Iowa and Oklahoma high school girls still played it until the mid 90s.
 
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BobPSU92

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I think they should adapt the World Cup to the culture of the home country. Here in the U.S., we like violence. Therefore, no yellow or red cards. The goalkeeper is in your way while you’re jockeying for position on a corner kick? Punch him in the gut. Lay him out.
 
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LionJim

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I think they should adapt the World Cup to the culture of the home country. Here in the U.S., we like violence. Therefore, no yellow or red cards. The goalkeeper is in your way while you’re jockeying for position on a corner kick? Punch him in the gut. Lay him out, the McAndrew Board way.
Fixed, ffs.
 
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Moogy

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Sucks to be a hater. I love watching people that hate the sport try to change the rules....it's like watching a monkey ***K a football. They really think they are on to something too. It's 49% ignorance, 51% arrogance to think the world needs to change a game to suit them. The offsides line means the back line has to work in unison or get punished. It means the forwards cannot cheat or they get punished.

You love watching monkeys ***K a football? I think that's illegal.

Red card.

Again, why are you in here? This is for the "haters." Go celebrate kicking things in the other threads dedicated to celebrating kicking things. Go celebrate people falling down and acting like they just lost a limb, only to pop back up seconds later as if nothing happened, busting into a full sprint, in the threads dedicated to celebrating that.

Now, stop rolling around on the ground crying that someone shot you, just because one of your fave games is taking some well earned and reasoned criticism.
 

Moogy

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Oh the old troll still looking for some daily attention as usual.

laugh look at that GIF by Yiannimize

In this case, you're the old troll. Go away. It's not your thread. Maybe we'll learn to respect soccer when you can figure out the rules of this thread.
 

Moogy

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Do you feel it should be abolished altogether or changed in some way?

Have the ref call it immediately, or not at all. Or, better yet, use the technology we all have available to us in modern venues (I don't care that they can't do this in the rec fields of some third world country), to signal the offsides the moment it becomes a thing.

I actually think soccer folks encourage delayed offsides calls, because offsides often lead to “exciting” plays and scores/near-scores .. so they want to encourage the fans to get excited and stay engaged by scoring/almost scoring goals that won’t count anyway.
 

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Have the ref call it immediately, or not at all. Or, better yet, use the technology we all have available to us in modern venues (I don't care that they can't do this in the rec fields of some third world country), to signal the offsides the moment it becomes a thing.

I actually think soccer folks encourage delayed offsides calls, because offsides often lead to “exciting” plays and scores/near-scores .. so they want to encourage the fans to get excited and stay engaged by scoring/almost scoring goals that won’t count anyway.
Offside calls are often delayed because if they called it incorrectly right away, they would take away a scoring opportunity. If it is obvious, they call it right away. Same reason that NFL refs let close plays go. They know that it will be reviewed and stopping the play too soon can affect the outcome. Not a difficult concept.
 
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Moogy

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Offside calls are often delayed because if they called it incorrectly right away, they would take away a scoring opportunity. If it is obvious, they call it right away. Same reason that NFL refs let close plays go. They know that it will be reviewed and stopping the play too soon can affect the outcome. Not a difficult concept.
NFL refs don’t let offensive offsides go. They call the play dead.

Again, if they have the tech to see who is or is not offsides, just have it blown “dead” right then.

If it can’t be rectified, because they need to let it go to see how things play out, then that's just an inherent "flaw" that some folks will tolerate, and others won't.

That's also not a difficult concept.

It's OK ... every sport has its "flaws" and some are bigger than others, some are more confusing than others ... there's no need to rush to "defend its honor."

Baseball, at the higher levels, was getting more and more boring. More drawn out. It was already a tough sell for those used to the "non-stop action that isn't really non-stop action" of other sports. And when people pointed this out, some "purists" cried that this is what baseball is all about - no clock, it unfolds in its own time, and that's the beauty of it. But baseball went ahead and addressed, to some extent, some of its flaws, and now it's a better, more accessible game. Luckily, baseball didn't listen to the folks who said "this is OUR sport ... we don't care that you don't like it ... you don't get to tell us how to change our beautiful game, you ignorant twits ... if you don't like it, go pound sand!"
 

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Another World Cup, again in America, and we will hear how soccer is the next thing. Just like we heard in 2010 and 2000 and 1990 and 1970 and ....

We will see American teams throw money at another world star near the end of his career. People will tell us that it is only a matter of time until the great sport gets the appreciation it deserves. Then what happens? Another decade will pass with no major changes. Soccer will be at best the fifth rated professional game out there.

I get that people like the nationalism and the competition of the World Cup. Soccer as a popular sport in the United States? Not so much.
 
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Do you feel it should be abolished altogether or changed in some way?
I’d know the rule well enough to know. What I suspect is, it eliminates the fast break. If the defender gets beat one on one , why try to recover? The O scores they just will be called offsides. Or if you get the ball in the box you can’t be offside
 

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Another World Cup, again in America, and we will hear how soccer is the next thing. Just like we heard in 2010 and 2000 and 1990 and 1970 and ....

We will see American teams throw money at another world star near the end of his career. People will tell us that it is only a matter of time until the great sport gets the appreciation it deserves. Then what happens? Another decade will pass with no major changes. Soccer will be at best the fifth rated professional game out there.

I get that people like the nationalism and the competition of the World Cup. Soccer as a popular sport in the United States? Not so much.
People in the U.S. like the World Cup, MLS not so much. Two different animals.
 

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Washington State football averaged 26,000 people per game. So the 88th ranked team in NCAA attendance outdrew the average MLS game by over 20 percent on average.
Wow, so you're telling me that MLS soccer isn't as big of a draw as College Football (a sport that has 7ish home games every year)? Shocking, as I never would have come to that conclusion.
 

HarrisburgDave

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Wow, so you're telling me that MLS soccer isn't as big of a draw as College Football (a sport that has 7ish home games every year)? Shocking, as I never would have come to that conclusion.
It’s not like the MLS plays 160 games. I see 34 games home and away. They still manage to average fewer fans per game than teams in the American and Conference USA. This despite playing in major markets.

The NHL teams play over 80 games a year, indoor of course, and still average a little less than 20,000 per game on average. That is not far off of MLS.

Soccer in the USA is a minor sport. It always has been and will continue to be.
 
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I can't wait. That 0-0 draw on the last day of group stage that pushes New Zealand through, because there were so many draws in prior games ... whoa nelly, my heart's a racin' just thinking about it.

I guess I'd rather not suffer through a draw ... or 8 ... in the first go 'round, hoping it'll provide more excitement some time in the future. Heck, you can advance to the next round ... actually, you can win a group ... without winning a game.

And, yes, once you get past the group stage, often times, in order to determine a winner, they have to do something completely different than the normal, actual game play/flow in order to determine a winner. Sort of like determining the winner of a football game by having a best of 5 field goal kicking contest.
I keek touchdown!
 

Moogy

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I’d know the rule well enough to know. What I suspect is, it eliminates the fast break. If the defender gets beat one on one , why try to recover? The O scores they just will be called offsides. Or if you get the ball in the box you can’t be offside

I'm assuming offsides exists because they don't want the game to just be constant booting the ball long distances, as the cherry-picking offensive guys take off down the field ahead of the defense. OK ... so my first thought is, once you cross the midfield line, there's no more offsides ... but even that's a pretty long boot, and you'd just see folks getting to midfield and then everyone else breaking toward the goal as a long pass comes in ...

So my completely novel solution no one's ever thought of before, which all soccer fans will no doubt embrace and thank me for, because they seem like such open and welcoming people (LaJolla just had an aneurysm at how audaciously stoopit and myopic I'm being), is to create a "quarter field" line and THAT'S where offsides no longer exists. Sorta like the blue line in hockey, but, in soccer, there's no requirement that the ball handler has to cross the quarter line before anyone else ... and it's closer to the goal than the hockey blue line. As the ball is first handled past the quarter line, any offensive guy who is closer to the goal than the non-goalie defender who is closest to the goal, is offsides, and the defense gets the ball. But after that moment of crossing, you do what you want.

That'll open things up, and force defenders to actually mark their guys, and not try to take the "easy" way out and try to actually come forward away from the goal, so no one can go toward the goal, and past them (or catch the offensive guy not paying enough attention to them sneaking toward midfield to get an offside call, even though the offensive guy isn't moving.

You're welcome, soccer lovers. I just made your sport so much better. A troglodyte American just solved soccer (as much as you can without allowing players to pick up/grab the ball with your hands and do something with it, besides a throw-in). That just happened.
 
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I'm assuming offsides exists because they don't want the game to just be constant booting the ball long distances, as the cherry-picking offensive guys take off down the field ahead of the defense. OK ... so my first thought is, once you cross the midfield line, there's no more offsides ... but even that's a pretty long boot, and you'd just see folks getting to midfield and then everyone else breaking toward the goal as a long pass comes in ...

So my completely novel solution no one's ever thought of before, which all soccer fans will no doubt embrace and thank me for, because they seem like such open and welcoming people (LaJolla just had an aneurysm at how audaciously stoopit and myopic I'm being), is to create a "quarter field" line and THAT'S where offsides no longer exists. Sorta like the blue line in hockey, but, in soccer, there's no requirement that the ball handler has to cross the quarter line before anyone else ... and it's closer to the goal than the hockey blue line. As the ball is first handled past the quarter line, any offensive guy who is closer to the goal than the non-goalie defender who is closest to the goal, is offsides, and the defense gets the ball. But after that moment of crossing, you do what you want.

That'll open things up, and force defenders to actually mark their guys, and not try to take the "easy" way out and try to actually come forward away from the goal, so no one can go toward the goal, and past them (or catch the offensive guy not paying enough attention to them sneaking toward midfield to get an offside call, even though the offensive guy isn't moving.

You're welcome, soccer lovers. I just made your sport so much better. A troglodyte American just solved soccer (as much as you can without allowing players to pick up/grab the ball with your hands and do something with it, besides a throw-in). That just happened.
It's unfortunate that this actor pronounces "Moogy" as "Madison".

 

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Like hockey they need more separating lines. Midfielders/Middefenders can go anywhere. Forwards need to play only between the mid-stripe line and the opponent's side of the blue line. Defensive players only can play in their own end and the half field line.