In Spite of the TDS Folks I love the Direction of the US and our Policies

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As far as I know he hasn't issued any illegal orders... I'm surprised that you don't think he has though. Remember when Obama order military exersizes in Texas and all the Republicans were going NUTS over a President ordering the state National Guard around? Hell, Texas was threatening to secede over it.

I don't have a problem with the POTUS ordering the NG to do things in states (even over the objections of the Gov ernor of the State in question). That seems to be part of his executive powers. The POINT was that I don't see any problem with someone (a civilian) telling soldiers that they have a right to refuse illegal orders. When someone says that and the DOJ starts "investigating" them, you aren't exactly free to speak your mind.
This isn't remotely true. The vast majority of Republicans in Congress fully supported Obama sending troops to Texas in 2010, including Governor Rick Scott. Meanwhile, Obama criticized Governor Tim Abbott for doing the same in 2025.

Now, show me where the DOJ is bringing charges for free speech. I'll be waiting.

Fact is, your party is 100% against Obama's actions. Y'all are nothing but hypocrites.

TribBlog: U.S. Troops Will Be Sent to the Border ... Again - The Texas Tribune https://www.texastribune.org/2010/05/25/obama-sends-1200-national-guard-troops-to-border/
 

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You do know, none of this is true. Trump purchased nothing. He has no control over the trusts decisions, only to hire and fire them like every American.

Straight from NPR.

Investment decisions for Donald Trump’s revocable trust are managed by independent, third-party financial institutions. According to statements from the Trump Organization, these brokerages have sole and exclusive authority over asset allocation, trading, and portfolio rebalancing through automated, model-based strategies.
 

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You do know, none of this is true. Trump purchased nothing. He has no control over the trusts decisions, only to hire and fire them like every American.

Straight from NPR.

Investment decisions for Donald Trump’s revocable trust are managed by independent, third-party financial institutions. According to statements from the Trump Organization, these brokerages have sole and exclusive authority over asset allocation, trading, and portfolio rebalancing through automated, model-based strategies.
Trump's revocable trust is managed by his sons, Don Jr and Eric, along with other Trump organization executives.
 

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what I think we all miss, or refuse to see, is that on the day a president is inaugurated, he accepts the problems left obver by the previous administrations. Biden for example, was dealt a bad COVID hand. I don' think he handled it all that well, but he was taking advice from the same people who advised Trump. I'm always a little dumbfounded that folks get on trump for authoritarianism, and overlook the edicts from Biden with closed schools, firings for not taking a vaccine...but that's for another thread.

Trump was handed the leftover from Biden, principally inflation and runaway deficits (Biden got some of those also). Now for some reason Trump hasn't really attacked inflation the way his voters thought - the tariffs and the Iran war have contributed to the problem he inherited. And, republicans may pay the price in November.

Presidents deal with the issues they are handed or that they create. I can't think of any that have been perfect in their deciccions.
Trump sees the far bigger picture. We have been handed our *** on tariffs for over 50 years, to the point, U.S. companies cannot compete. Furthermore, inflation is below 10 and 50 year averages. Regarding Iran, that can has been kicked down the road for almost 50 years. He isn't Neville Chamberlain like the Dems have been regarding Iran.

The entire world sat back and watched Hitler rebuild Germany after WWI and did nothing. Meanwhile, King Edward VIII abdicated his throne, and a year later toured Germany and met with Hitler. Many historians believe he was actively collaborating with Hitler. We know this from documents which have been discovered regarding his relationship with Hitler.

'To the Führer and [Chancellor], the Duchess of Windsor and I would like to thank you sincerely. Our trip through Germany has made a great impression on us. Many thanks to you.

In a taped statement that was to be broadcast to all of GB, the former king stated,

"He said Britain should be doing all in its power to come to terms with Nazi Germany," That was in 1939. The BBC refused to air it.

GB was already on the brink of war with Germany. Edward, like Chamberlain chose to appease Hitler, and do nothing.

Trump has not been that ignorant or stupid. He saw the same threat the entire world has seen for decades and decided to end the threat. He did. Problem is, people are mostly short term thinkers and only worry about gas prices for 3 freekin months.

There are no troops on the ground, nor will there be. We destroyed all of their nuclear capability, which was already at 60% enriched uranium. It takes about 1-2 weeks to take 60% enriched uranium and make it into a nuclear weapon, and takes days to enrich to 90%. They already have the missle systems to deliver said weapon. At most, it would take Iran a few months at best to convert uranium gas into metal, and build the warhead. Furthermore, and this is what most political folks do not understand. Iran, with its 60% enriched uranium can use that as it is already weapons grade. Folks seriously need to study up before they post nonsense like Iran is not a nuclear threat. They clearly are, and would definitely use it on Israel and their neighbors, just like Germany was using V2's, the Me 262 jet plane, and the Me 163. If they had the resources available, and realized the importance of graphite, vs thinking they need massive amounts of enriched uranium, and put the proper resources into the program, Nazi Germany could have had a bomb within 2-4 years. Iran has been working on this for over 3 decades.
 
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This isn't remotely true. The vast majority of Republicans in Congress fully supported Obama sending troops to Texas in 2010, including Governor Rick Scott. Meanwhile, Obama criticized Governor Tim Abbott for doing the same in 2025.

Now, show me where the DOJ is bringing charges for free speech. I'll be waiting.

Fact is, your party is 100% against Obama's actions. Y'all are nothing but hypocrites.

TribBlog: U.S. Troops Will Be Sent to the Border ... Again - The Texas Tribune https://www.texastribune.org/2010/05/25/obama-sends-1200-national-guard-troops-to-border/
I'm guessing that's why Governor Scott ordered the Texas NG to monitor the exercises... yeah, b/c he was fully supportive:


Here's 6 on the free speech. The unlawful orders congressmen where charged by the DoJ. Fortunately, the former FoxNews host is the DA in Washington, DC and couldn't even get a Grand Jury to vote for her:

 
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Absolutely. I could be walking down the street and masked men in unmarked cars can pull up and demand that I prove my US citizenship (Papers Please!). If I can't they can put me in that car and take me to an undisclosed location (that's whereever they want) w/o arresting me. No due process, no evidence of wrongdoing. Just ICE policy. How's that? Or does it not count when it's only brown people?
Lmao, sure you could. You haven't lost a single freedom. You're just making up bullsh-t. What a drama Queen.

You do realize, France was checking health passes on the street during Covid. NYC, and 9 other cities required vaccination papers to enter establishments. No one has checked your papers for jack sh&t. Liar.
 
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Of course not, I'm lilly white, hence the "only matter when you are brown part" in my above post . But you are talking about freedoms lost right? That's certainly something that's happening. What about being a political oppenent of Trump and having the DoJ investigating you without probable cause. People born on US soil are citizens by law. Trump issued an executive order saying that doesn't apply. What about where the constitution says every person (not citizen) is entitled to due process? Trump and company are deporting people w/o any due process.

If you are expecting, in many states Drs have to be able to prove that the mother's life would be lost before terminating pregnacy. In my home state of Idaho, it's against the law to even provide phone numbers for healthcare providers that provide abortions (even in places where it's illegal). It's also a crime to assist someone to leave the state to have an abortion (even in a state where it's legal).
Of course not, because you're a drama queen liar. There's no if, it never happened, and is never going to happen. Jesus, grow a pair. You have absolutely no proof to back up your pathetic lies.
 
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This is going on in a LOT of states and it's dependent on Federal Judges in local juristictions making rulings that apply to the nation at large. A more publically relevant one is locally banning the morning after pills and applying that to the entire country. You didn't see this shiit pre Trump.

I have NO PROBLEM with arresting, detaining and deporting illegal immigrants. I do have a problem with them not getting due process. I don't have a problem with ICE arresting protesters getting in their way when they are doing their jobs of finding illegals. I do have a problem ICE shooting protestors. And I have a HUGE problem with government officials lying about it.

As a general rule, I support the police unless there's convincing reason not to.
Lmao. Every one of the 50 U.S. states have approved the morning after pill, drama queen. Lmao.
 
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Exactly like beta males competing and supporting males in women's sports. Then lying, and specifically stating, it's no big deal and affects no one. Meanwhile, it went all the way to the SCOTUS. But hey, it doesn't matter. Lmao at the amount of lies libs state for their beta male causes.
 
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I’ve notice you always talk about compassion and concern for human suffering; but you are never concerned with compassion for Americans. What about compassion for the people whose community is devastated by immigration? What about compassion for the citizens forced to live in violence in America? What about compassion for the victims of rape gangs.

I’m for the El Salvadorian Bukele’s camp. Lock up the people who can’t behave. That is true compassion.


You seem to care about compassion when it suits. There are other people on the side of your concerns too.
Their compassion is only based on how it helps their party. They've proven it time and again. They are about 2 things, power and control. It's precisely why they support Iran, and we have gays for Gaza, Palestine, Hamas, and Hezbollah.
 
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We understood the source of the inflation under Biden and the responsibility was shared but yes, much of it fell on Trump. Did you notice that for most of Biden's presidency, the inflation rate fell steadily after hitting that peak in 2022? It's going the wrong way now for somebody who was brought in to save us from 2.4% inflation.



Record DEBT (which every president has):

2022 - $30.93 trillion
2023 - $33.17 trillion
2024 - $35.46 trillion
2025 - $37.64 trillion (record high like the stock market)

DEFICITS are shortfalls in the BUDGET. DEBT is the cumulative total of all unpaid DEFICITS.


No, just trending in the wrong direction for someone who was going to save us from record low 3.4% unemployment.



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Lmao. Biden wanted $2- $3 trillion more in spending. Get real. Without Manchin, which Biden lied to, and Sinema, inflation would have been out of this world. Even Harvard agrees.

Joe Manchin says he cannot support Biden's Build Back Better plan : NPR https://share.google/TDdBWxSna9xvszRv2
Deferments vs bone spurs. Not difficult. lots of people got Deferments.
Lmao. Y'all will do anything to defend Biden, the coward, who did not serve.
 

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It is handled by a 3rd party you ignorant fool.
You can read it here, my guy.

Donald Trump's revocable trust is managed by his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr. He serves as the trustee with sole voting and investment power over the securities and assets held within the trust.
When the trust was originally established, management was shared with longtime Trump Organization executive Allen Weisselberg, but Donald Trump Jr. has since taken on the sole trustee position for managing these assets.
 

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I'm guessing that's why Governor Scott ordered the Texas NG to monitor the exercises... yeah, b/c he was fully supportive:


Here's 6 on the free speech. The unlawful orders congressmen where charged by the DoJ. Fortunately, the former FoxNews host is the DA in Washington, DC and couldn't even get a Grand Jury to vote for her:

NBC article from unnamed sources. Assume they did go to the grand jury. Its in DC where 97% are registered democrats with a lot of them affected by the ongoing govt downsizing. Colr me unimpressed.
 

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Lmao. Biden wanted $2- $3 trillion more in spending. Get real. Without Manchin, which Biden lied to, and Sinema, inflation would have been out of this world. Even Harvard agrees.

Joe Manchin says he cannot support Biden's Build Back Better plan : NPR https://share.google/TDdBWxSna9xvszRv2

Lmao. Y'all will do anything to defend Biden, the coward, who did not serve.

LOL

Nothing you said disproved anything I said. The inflation rate increased 1600% in 2020. That inflation spike was coming even if Dozy Don managed to steal the 2020 election. Note the steady decline after it hit the peak inflation.

"Lmao. Y'all will do anything to defend Biden, the coward, who did not serve."

LOL really? You want to go there? :)
 

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Lmao. Gas reached a record high of $5.02/gal in June of 2022. Record high price in California was $8.00/gal in Mono county California under Biden.

Gas was around $3 in 2024. What is it now? "but that one week in 2022....."

lol

Trump was elected, **** got worse. Inflation up, prices up, more wars.

That's the simple version for you.
 

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Democrats lost the election, in a landslide, because of inflation and the economy. It was indisputably the #1 issue in the election .

They lost the electoral college, the popular vote, and every single swing state.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to think democrats did a good job on inflation or the economy. But IF that’s the case, Vance / Rubio will be a shoe in.

Some big cities may like communism, but the vast majority of the USA does not. And last election proved that flyover states matter.

Ahh yes the 49-48 landslide victory. Agreed that the narrative of the election was that Trump could save us from high prices and wars.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that the party responsible for 10 out of the last 11 recessions, that generally is in charge during times of declines (vs recovery), and consistently delivers measurably inferior economic results was going to "fix" the economy. Really??

Republicans did a good job convincing enough people that the problems were all Biden's fault and that Trump was the solution.

How is that working out?
:)

Also, the left doesn't want communism. lol narratives
 

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Ahh yes the 49-48 landslide victory. Agreed that the narrative of the election was that Trump could save us from high prices and wars.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that the party responsible for 10 out of the last 11 recessions, that generally is in charge during times of declines (vs recovery), and consistently delivers measurably inferior economic results was going to "fix" the economy. Really??

Republicans did a good job convincing enough people that the problems were all Biden's fault and that Trump was the solution.

How is that working out?
:)

Also, the left doesn't want communism. lol narratives
There has been no recession under Trump (Some will claim there was, if it was it was literally the shortest recession ever at 2 months).

Trumps return during his first term (65%) was much better than Biden and better than the average democratic return for previous presidents. In other words, your statisics refute your own arguments.'

By all means the economy is doing well. Inflation is still too high, and it looks like that will be down next print when lower oil and gas prices are reflected in the number. Housing prices are already down year over year and often have a lag time to showing up in the official data. So i expect the downward trend in housing to continue. Plenty of jobs out there, so we are good on the jobs front. Long story short, the economy is in good shape and everything is trending in the right direction. The stock market is sitting 1-2% off all time highs. So, id say it is working out nicely.

And while you may not want communism, your party keeps electing communists.
 

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There has been no recession under Trump (Some will claim there was, if it was it was literally the shortest recession ever at 2 months).

Trumps return during his first term (65%) was much better than Biden and better than the average democratic return for previous presidents. In other words, your statisics refute your own arguments.'

By all means the economy is doing well. Inflation is still too high, and it looks like that will be down next print when lower oil and gas prices are reflected in the number. Housing prices are already down year over year and often have a lag time to showing up in the official data. So i expect the downward trend in housing to continue. Plenty of jobs out there, so we are good on the jobs front. Long story short, the economy is in good shape and everything is trending in the right direction. The stock market is sitting 1-2% off all time highs. So, id say it is working out nicely.

And while you may not want communism, your party keeps electing communists.

By what metrics? All time high stock markets?

PresidentTerm ExaminedApproximate Dow Gain
Bill Clinton (George Bush save us!! OMG!)1993–2001 (8 years)~+229%
Barack Obama (Trump save us!! OMG!!)2009–2017 (8 years)~+148%
Donald Trump (2nd term so far)Jan 2025 – Jun 2026~+17.5%
Donald Trump (1st term)2017–2021 (4 years)~+57%
 
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There has been no recession under Trump (Some will claim there was, if it was it was literally the shortest recession ever at 2 months).

Trumps return during his first term (65%) was much better than Biden and better than the average democratic return for previous presidents. In other words, your statisics refute your own arguments.'

By all means the economy is doing well. Inflation is still too high, and it looks like that will be down next print when lower oil and gas prices are reflected in the number. Housing prices are already down year over year and often have a lag time to showing up in the official data. So i expect the downward trend in housing to continue. Plenty of jobs out there, so we are good on the jobs front. Long story short, the economy is in good shape and everything is trending in the right direction. The stock market is sitting 1-2% off all time highs. So, id say it is working out nicely.

And while you may not want communism, your party keeps electing communists.

Do you want me to list the years where we had all time high stock markets? It's very rare.
 

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F*cking socialism. Our government dollars have no business in that game, even if profitable.

Did you vote for Mamdani or something?
I agree with you. It does seem as if both parties are headed in the direction of corporate ownership - should make future votes on raising corporate taxes interesting - and/or sovereign wealth funds.

I would prefer it if we would get our own financial health under control before we move off into the corporate world. Trump might crow now about gains, but he needs to understand that equity prices also go down.
 
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I agree with you. It does seem as if both parties are headed in the direction of corporate ownership - should make future votes on raising corporate taxes interesting - and/or sovereign wealth funds.

I would prefer it if we would get our own financial health under control before we move off into the corporate world. Trump might crow now about gains, but he needs to understand that equity prices also go down.
Plus we inadvertently determine winners and losers. Intel got capital to fund development, maybe there was a better option in the market from Nvidia or some startup that now won’t see the light of day. Government is NEVER as efficient as the free market at picking winners and losers. That’s why I abhor these types of investments.

I feel the same about government no bid contracts. I feel the same about elected officials having active investments in the market (and vice versa with companies being able to make unlimited donations to politicians). Let the free market do its thing.
 
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Plus we inadvertently determine winners and losers. Intel got capital to fund development, maybe there was a better option in the market from Nvidia or some startup that now won’t see the light of day. Government is NEVER as efficient as the free market at picking winners and losers. That’s why I abhor these types of investments.

I feel the same about government no bid contracts. I feel the same about elected officials having active investments in the market (and vice versa with companies being able to make unlimited donations to politicians). Let the free market do its thing.
I also agree on no bid contracts, although there are some good reasons for some....

If I read correctly, the Supreme court just made a decision allowing unlimited donations to party organizations like the DNC, RNC who in turn take that money and pass it to individual campaigns. There's way too much money in our system
 

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I also agree on no bid contracts, although there are some good reasons for some....

If I read correctly, the Supreme court just made a decision allowing unlimited donations to party organizations like the DNC, RNC who in turn take that money and pass it to individual campaigns. There's way too much money in our system
The Citizens United ruling was the worst thing to ever come out of the SCOTUS.