Starkville High will be built on MSU campus

615dawg

All-Conference
Jun 4, 2007
7,052
4,293
113


This is good news for Starkville and Mississippi State.

 

TheBannerM

All-Conference
Nov 30, 2024
1,347
1,940
113
Just out of curiosity- why is it good? Are all they doing moving all the students to a new building?
More opportunities for dual enrollment (at State).

From an earlier article:

"The K-12 gets additional attention from student teachers and other resources the university offers as well as vice versa. This partnership will help kids and teachers and provide opportunities for their future careers.”

"Through dual enrollment, an emphasis on STEAM and the wide variety of resources available on the MSU campus, this new high school will give our boys and girls a greater vision of what’s possible for the future."
 

johnson86-1

All-American
Aug 22, 2012
14,847
5,325
113
This is seems like an innovative way for the University to overcome negative perception about the local school system. A first class high school would remove at least one obstacle to hiring top flight faculty.
A first class high school would. I don’t know why changing locations will fix its problems though. Seems like a magnet school or something that goes k - 12 would be a much better deal for the university and county. But I don’t know all the details so maybe I’m misunderstanding the problems they are trying to solve.
 

The Peeper

Heisman
Feb 26, 2008
16,053
11,440
113


This is good news for Starkville and Mississippi State.


They started construction right after the final baseball series. The last of the old VanLandigham home site between the Partnership Middle School and campus was cleared in about two days and dirt started being shoved around. $127 Million Dollar bond project that there was no hearing on because nobody challenged it. It was announced, no referendum was called for and so it moved through. Now, there's concern about it from the public but from the sound of it, its too late. It has been called "the most expensive high school in the state"

Questions Raided About Financing the School
 

HotMop

All-American
May 8, 2006
8,202
6,719
113
This is seems like an innovative way for the University to overcome negative perception about the local school system. A first class high school would remove at least one obstacle to hiring top flight faculty.
Not very innovative as it is fairly common to have a high school on a university campus.
 
  • Like
Reactions: peewee.sixpack

TheBannerM

All-Conference
Nov 30, 2024
1,347
1,940
113
A first class high school would. I don’t know why changing locations will fix its problems though. Seems like a magnet school or something that goes k - 12 would be a much better deal for the university and county. But I don’t know all the details so maybe I’m misunderstanding the problems they are trying to solve.
It sounds like the main problem is they just need a bigger facility. Putting it on State's campus allows for more cross-pollination between the College of Education and the high school.

Also it would be tough to put a magnet school in the middle of Oktibbeha County.
 

Duke Humphrey

All-Conference
Oct 3, 2013
2,692
1,843
113
It has been called "the most expensive high school in the state"

Questions Raided About Financing the School
Yea, and the next HS of the same size to be built will be the most expensive high school in the state.

The Dispatch's reporting has been disingenuous at best on this issue. They got their dander up big time when the initial plan was to move MSMS to Starkville and co-locate with the new high school, so they have fought the project ever since. Also, having this type of school helps recruit folks (GTR Industrial Park and new physicians to Baptist Hospitals), so Columbus/Lowndes will loose out in the recruiting them to live. And no, not saying they will all send their kids to Starkville Schools, but the type of facilities represent the type of community you want to be perceived by.
 

RocketDawg

All-Conference
Oct 21, 2011
19,332
2,282
113
They started construction right after the final baseball series. The last of the old VanLandigham home site between the Partnership Middle School and campus was cleared in about two days and dirt started being shoved around. $127 Million Dollar bond project that there was no hearing on because nobody challenged it. It was announced, no referendum was called for and so it moved through. Now, there's concern about it from the public but from the sound of it, its too late. It has been called "the most expensive high school in the state"

Questions Raided About Financing the School
That's a very expensive high school. Does it include new sports facilities as well? Since they'll be on campus, why not just use Davis Wade, etc.?

Is all or part of the MSU campus actually inside the Starkville city limits?
 

615dawg

All-Conference
Jun 4, 2007
7,052
4,293
113
Just out of curiosity- why is it good? Are all they doing moving all the students to a new building?
In my opinion, and it is shared by many - one of the barriers to MSU hiring innovative faculty is the condition of Starkville High School. They don't want their kids going to a school with a lot of deferred maintenance. A $105 million state of the art campus on MSU's campus fixes that.

Now, its up to SOSD leaders to take advantage and make the school the best it can be. But being proud of your school building goes a long ways in being a better school.
 

Bulldog45

All-Conference
Oct 2, 2018
1,381
2,027
113
One for sports and one for performing arts that can also be used for sports.
The article calls out a performing arts building too so thinks it’s two gyms. One is probably a practice gym that also has seating if I had to guess. Not sure volleyball would get its own gym?
 

randystewart

Junior
Jan 14, 2009
1,197
339
83
A first class high school would. I don’t know why changing locations will fix its problems though. Seems like a magnet school or something that goes k - 12 would be a much better deal for the university and county. But I don’t know all the details so maybe I’m misunderstanding the problems they are trying to solve.
Correct, this is simply a new building (that is needed) but will do nothing to correct the recruiting issues we have with our local school system. Sadly, you will still have a student population that is almost 80% free/reduced lunch eligible and that translates to home lives that do not care about education. The same stuff was said about the Partnership school, and all it has done is move the issues to a new building.
The only solution was a University School. There was momentum on that about 10 years ago but it was killed because of the narrative that it would make the public system even worse.
This is not an argument or a debate, this is a fact about the school system here and our inability to recruit high quality faculty because of it.
 

Bulldog45

All-Conference
Oct 2, 2018
1,381
2,027
113
That's a very expensive high school. Does it include new sports facilities as well? Since they'll be on campus, why not just use Davis Wade, etc.?

Is all or part of the MSU campus actually inside the Starkville city limits?
Rendering in the article shows a field house, covered practice field, and another practice field. Don’t think you’d want a high school game in Davis Wade on Friday night ahead of a Saturday game. In addition to the field potentially being torn up you’ve got logistics already going into place for tailgating, parking and traffic ahead of Saturday.
 

maroonfriday

Freshman
Jun 4, 2020
59
56
18
Having 2 gymnasiums is interesting to me
There's an existing gym at the current middle school that's referenced in the material with seating just on one side. They're building another, much larger gym with the new high school.
This also moves the current 6th and 7th graders to (probably) the current high school site.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JY1947

johnson86-1

All-American
Aug 22, 2012
14,847
5,325
113
Correct, this is simply a new building (that is needed) but will do nothing to correct the recruiting issues we have with our local school system. Sadly, you will still have a student population that is almost 80% free/reduced lunch eligible and that translates to home lives that do not care about education. The same stuff was said about the Partnership school, and all it has done is move the issues to a new building.
The only solution was a University School. There was momentum on that about 10 years ago but it was killed because of the narrative that it would make the public system even worse.
This is not an argument or a debate, this is a fact about the school system here and our inability to recruit high quality faculty because of it.
It's amazing how much progress is held back across the state because we don't want to admit we don't know how to help certain people. School choice wouldn't fix bad home environments, but it would fix so many things for the state. So many places across the state are hard to recruit to because they come with a hefty private tuition if you have kids. Hell, even in places with good schools, we overinflated house prices by basically lumping in tuition to a certain school with home prices.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SouthMsDawg02

johnson86-1

All-American
Aug 22, 2012
14,847
5,325
113
It sounds like the main problem is they just need a bigger facility.
In all the complaining about how subpar the school options are in Starkville and the surrounding area, I've never heard needing a bigger facility listed.

Putting it on State's campus allows for more cross-pollination between the College of Education and the high school.
That would probably be helpful, and would also be nice to offer dual enrollment classes on the highschool campus.

Also it would be tough to put a magnet school in the middle of Oktibbeha County.
Why is that? I mean, I get there's not a big population there. But it seems there is a big enough population wanting better than Starkville high school or Starkville academy that it could support a magnet school.
 

L4Dawg

All-American
Oct 27, 2016
11,208
7,747
113
That's a very expensive high school. Does it include new sports facilities as well? Since they'll be on campus, why not just use Davis Wade, etc.?

Is all or part of the MSU campus actually inside the Starkville city limits?
It doesn't matter if it's in the city or not. The city district was consolidated with the county district several years ago.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RocketDawg

johnson86-1

All-American
Aug 22, 2012
14,847
5,325
113
Y'all do know that Starkville High is an A rated school, right? A new building was desperately needed.
Mississippi's school rating heavily weights student growth, which is a very good thing to rate, but lots of parents, particularly those MSU might be recruiting, are going to care about absolute proficiency as much as student growth. Not sure what Starkville's rating is driven by, so that point may not apply to it. But if it's a B on proficiency but pulled up to an A because of student improvement, that's not going to satisfy a lot of people.

We unfortunately don't to my knowledge give parents the information they really need, which is how do students in a particular school that are similar to their kid do as far as growth and proficiency.
 

Villagedawg

All-Conference
Nov 16, 2005
2,262
2,260
113
There's an existing gym at the current middle school that's referenced in the material with seating just on one side. They're building another, much larger gym with the new high school.
This also moves the current 6th and 7th graders to (probably) the current high school site.
They are moving students from the partnership school to the old high school building?Why?
 

Villagedawg

All-Conference
Nov 16, 2005
2,262
2,260
113
Y'all do know that Starkville High is an A rated school, right? A new building was desperately needed.
Both my adult children went to Starkville High. One did do MSMS, but neither had any problems at SHS, and both are successful professionals. SHS has some problems, but it does a pretty good job especially for those who take advantage of AP/dual enrollment/arts/etc. It's like two schools under one roof honestly. One of the better in the state actually.
 

Villagedawg

All-Conference
Nov 16, 2005
2,262
2,260
113
Mississippi's school rating heavily weights student growth, which is a very good thing to rate, but lots of parents, particularly those MSU might be recruiting, are going to care about absolute proficiency as much as student growth. Not sure what Starkville's rating is driven by, so that point may not apply to it. But if it's a B on proficiency but pulled up to an A because of student improvement, that's not going to satisfy a lot of people.

We unfortunately don't to my knowledge give parents the information they really need, which is how do students in a particular school that are similar to their kid do as far as growth and proficiency.
This is true. However, I can tell you that the students we are talking about do extremely well at Starkville High School, and at any other one to be honest.

Adding that the students we are talking about have gotten to the point where most of them are close to perfect scores as it is. You can count on them in your proficiency number.

Not sure how you would compare students who are similar to yours by anything other than the scores they made before. If your kid hasn't taken EOC, then you have no way to know where your kid is other than his or her 8th grade scores. This is problematic since you are using the thing you want to get insight into to try to get insight. Guess you could report aggregate 8th grade scores to what those same students did on EOC, but I'm still not sure what this is really telling you. Students who do well in 8th grade did well in high school. Students who didn't do well do not. Not a surprise.
 
Last edited:

OG Goat Holder

Heisman
Sep 30, 2022
13,271
12,184
113
I don't see a big positive or negative here. Seems kinda dumb to separate the school from the athletic facilities, but I recognize many schools have that issue, especially in small towns.

I'm sure at the end of the day it came down to money.
 

randystewart

Junior
Jan 14, 2009
1,197
339
83
Mississippi's school rating heavily weights student growth, which is a very good thing to rate, but lots of parents, particularly those MSU might be recruiting, are going to care about absolute proficiency as much as student growth. Not sure what Starkville's rating is driven by, so that point may not apply to it. But if it's a B on proficiency but pulled up to an A because of student improvement, that's not going to satisfy a lot of people.

We unfortunately don't to my knowledge give parents the information they really need, which is how do students in a particular school that are similar to their kid do as far as growth and proficiency.
The dirty secret across MS (The Mississippi Miracle) is that they simply started teaching the test. This is not Starkville specific, but for any of you thinking that MS public education improved overnight.... you might as well fly to work on your pet dragon.
For instance, they teach the exact math problems from the test. They do not read books, but instead the specific passages that will be on the test. So on and so forth.
Props to folks for coming up with that and taking us out of the basement in rating (because other states are doing it as well) but we really haven't improved anything. Improvement can only come from home or to going back to much stricter environments.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: GomJabbar

Wesson Bulldog

All-Conference
Nov 3, 2015
1,737
2,075
113
Once, when I was publisher at the local paper, in a weekly editorial I floated the idea of a new school built adjacent the campus at Co-Lin for the entire county. One school, instead of three, with unlimited potential for student opportunities. I was called everything from a racist by the blacks to a communist by the whites. It was glorious.
 

johnson86-1

All-American
Aug 22, 2012
14,847
5,325
113
This is true. However, I can tell you that the students we are talking about do extremely well at Starkville High School, and at any other one to be honest.

Adding that the students we are talking about have gotten to the point where most of them are close to perfect scores as it is. You can count on them in your proficiency number.

Not sure how you would compare students who are similar to yours by anything other than the scores they made before. If your kid hasn't taken EOC, then you have no way to know where your kid is other than his or her 8th grade scores. This is problematic since you are using the thing you want to get insight into to try to get insight. Guess you could report aggregate 8th grade scores to what those same students did on EOC, but I'm still not sure what this is really telling you. Students who do well in 8th grade did well in high school. Students who didn't do well do not. Not a surprise.
The biggest thing that would be helpful and also easy to collect (ignoring politics or regulatory issues related to tying identifying information to test scores) would be scores grouped by socioeconomic status and parental status (e..g, married, divorced, never married, employed, unemployed, highest level of education, etc). But I can think of lots of data that would be nice to have if I ran the world. IQ scores and proficiency scores from before or right after kindergarten, 4th, 8th, and 12th grades would be interesting. Hell, I'd throw in BMI, height, and race and anything else that can easily be measured, even if it might only be of interest to researchers and not parents. And parental IQ if I was king for a day.

But being realistic, I think what decile the household income of the child's primary residence falls in would get you 85% of the way there without having to do anything other than have all households fill out the same forms required to qualify for free or reduced lunch.
Which again, may not be politically easy, particularly if parents don't want to provide that info (which I certainly wouldn't want anybody at the school knowing my financial info), but would be really easy data to compile ignoring that.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
58,906
29,242
113
The dirty secret across MS (The Mississippi Miracle) is that they simply started teaching the test. This is not Starkville specific, but for any of you thinking that MS public education improved overnight.... you might as well fly to work on your pet dragon.
For instance, they teach the exact math problems from the test. They do not read books, but instead the specific passages that will be on the test. So on and so forth.
Props to folks for coming up with that and taking us out of the basement in rating (because other states are doing it as well) but we really haven't improved anything. Improvement can only come from home or to going back to much stricter environments.
I strongly suspect Mississippi is far from the only state that teaches to the test.