Coach salaries are operating expenses, not capital expenses. Adding bathrooms to the RAC and buying chairs for court side seats there would be capital expenses.
Greg has one of the lowest win percentages of any active coach
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Coach salaries are operating expenses, not capital expenses. Adding bathrooms to the RAC and buying chairs for court side seats there would be capital expenses.
Johansen is on a 3 year contract for $4.2M. I think Kirk’s contract runs through 2027 too? Jim Turner was just signed a 2 year deal. And so on. Now some of these guys might find other jobs immediately to offset the cost, but you still have to figure we’d be looking at a very big number to wipe the slate clean after 2026. Of course it also depends on how the offense and defense perform individually and how marketable these guys are in terms of them finding other homes quickly.
Money is fungible to an extent though, anyway. But regardless, the upfront cost of turning over the entire staff is going to be a factor unless we’re awful next season. If we only win 4 the decision is easy because there’s basically nowhere to go but up. Zinn isn’t going to want to make wholesale changes after next season if she doesn’t have the 2027 budget to buy a replacement roster. Retention is still probably cheaper than buying talent in the portal. There are a lot of moving parts now that weren’t there in the past. Not just at Rutgers.
These contracts are not so obscene they should be used as a reason to keep Greg. The vast majority of the staff is on one year contracts so would be little cost to firing them all if the season is not a big improvement. Most football coach contracts expire at the end of February so firing people in December costs two or three months of pay.
Almost verbatim to what many are saying around here.
Whether it finally registers remains to be seen.
It all depends what we actually have to spend overall. It’s not only the coaches we’re getting rid of, we have to pay the coaches coming here, and assume we’ll be buying, for the most part, a new roster in the portal which usually costs more than retaining what you have. If Zinn doesn’t feel she has enough resources to expect a a new coach to come in and elevate the program in 2027 more than giving Kirk/Johansen/Greg that year she’s probably not going to pull the plug following a bowl season of any kind.
Rutgers finds an additional $6 million per year to spend on this football coach staff. Total football program spending has been rising at more than $10 million per year. Results are not improving despite the enormous growth in spending.
If Rutgers is going to spend money on football, don't spend it growing the existing staff, instead spend it on a replacement staff and players that gives Rutgers a chance for winning more football games.
What you and the rest need to understand is that 8-9 win seasons is possible, not probable. No one can sit here and say we have an 8-9 win roster because talent is severely lacking on the defensive front, due to lack of NIL. Front 7 is a mess. This is why it was hard for us to recruit a new DC. Lower conference kids are going to play the bulk of the snaps at Defensive End. Last year the defensive ends we recruited just didn’t get the job done, which is why teams ran all over us. The new kids start with a clean slate, but it’s hard for me to understand how a Tulsa End is going to succeed in the Big Ten, yet here we are. If he somehow coaxes this team to 6-6, it would be a huge accomplishment, and the extension would be well deserved.
exactly
Almost verbatim to what many are saying around here.
Whether it finally registers remains to be seen.
Not sure why it took so many posts for some to come to this realization.
Almost verbatim to what many are saying around here.
Whether it finally registers remains to be seen.
I would almost guess that a high % of the extra 100 or so staff are not guaranteed and we would only be paying unemployment.
the thing is- I don’t think is AD/Pres are so short sighted that paying out on contracts will deter them. I do think, they want to see how Greg does with their full support. If he can’t get it done this year- changes will be made
+ Again, that’s all we are saying.
The probable part? Even with the extra $$$, it’s probable we still get the same execution mistakes on the sideline and field.
* It would not. Olympic swimmers don’t get medals for treading water.
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Some of us knew hiring Schiano wouldn’t be great. It was time for a complete overhaul, but he wasn’t the guy. Good news is Keli won’t allow herself to be boxed in like Hobbs did. I’d love to see her shortlist which you know she carries around like it’s the nuclear football.
The country club thing is always confusing. What if a club doesn’t offer him membership? School could always say hey, you tried and couldn’t get in, I guess.
only way he would deserve an extension is if he wins 9 games in 2026 (including bowl game)and that would just be adding 1 year and the chance of another 1 year rollover if he wins 9 in 2027.
Rutgers can't afford to set a low bar when it comes to committing to years added to a coacj's contract just because the team didn't fall flat on its face and embarrass the fanbase
You two had a conversation in a thread the other day where @Caliknight mentioned the Big East type mentality was still around.
This is very concerning if true. Because I figured just by attrition alone, this element would be gone or small enough where they don’t matter….decision making or input.
Many of the losses in the last 2 seasons had little to do with how much money was spent relative to the opponents. They had everything to do with inadequate coaching.
Your record is what it is, no excuses. Either you win or lose and based on his record GS has done more winning then losing. He cant keep living on 2006 for 30 years. Their was one big win (LVille) but he lost to Cincinnatti (8-5) the next week. He has never beaten West Virginia (11 losses in a row to WV. He talks a good game (build a wall around NJ, keep chopping, Rutgers men talk. talk talk along with getting out coached on Saturdays) Need to get her done this year or more on and I am not talking about 6 wins.
2025- Penn State, Minnesota, Iowa.
2024- Kansas State, Illinois, UCLA, Nebraska.
No one is asking for him to win every toss up, but we weren’t losing any of those games because of talent. Seven out of seven we had the lead or were tied at the half, the other teams make adjustments and we never do.
it's why I've advocated getting rid of everyone associated with the athletic department so that culture is changed overnight. I'd do the same for the teams responsible for marketing and strategic direction. To this day, not hiring the cat from Wisconsin, in favor of Julie, was detrimental that we are still reeling from. Delaney himself told Barchi that Frazier was the man we needed.
It’s scary that people that go to games and watch on tv do not know what they are looking at. You could probably add a couple more games in there. But those are the games where coaching deficiencies directly lead to defeat. UCLA Nebraska Illinois and Penn state were some of the most egregious coaching errors I have ever witnessed.
Actions speak louder than words. All ADs say the right things. Fans eat that up for every AD and here the words have proved hollow. Let’s not anoint Zinn our savior until she does something about the Grifter and his paid legions.
UCLA might be the best example. No one can possibly claim it was talent there. They ran the same swing pass to a running back several times for huge gains. Some will come and say we need more money to get better linebackers. Others will say there’s pretty simple coaching fixes to not let your inexperienced linebackers get exposed over and over.
The aforementioned programs haven’t outspent us by a little, they outspent us by a lot, and have more NIL which provides more talent. It is a tribute to Schiano’s coaching that we were competitive with them. The Minnesota game was lost when Athan didn’t expect the snap. The UCLA and Nebraska games were lost because we did not have adequate LB depth to replace those lost to injury. Penn State and Iowa have been out recruiting us forever. Penn State in particular spent $80M to improve their football operations center and $700M to improve their football stadium. They are well above us. Below is the key Minnesota play and their facilities.
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Must have been the fieldhouse.
May we add 2024 a 42-7 loss at home to a horrible Wisconsin team that was 3-6 in conference ? No reason this is a loss or the blowout it was.
That was definitely due to the money they spent in the late 90’s under Alvarez. I heard they installed a Gatorade dispenser in the locker room that provided 4 flavors. Amazing the foresight they had.
the fact that anyone entertains him or his nonsense is one of the great Rutgers mysteries.
me too, 100%I know, I know. I’ve done it to others so I’ll do it to myself…
but he's off the reservation with this out of touch lunacy
him, the old man ru66 and rufanforlife are just not worth it. ignore button and proceed