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Indonesia to Start Charging for Passage Through the Malacca Strait

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Perhaps in conjunction with Malaysia and Singapore.

OK, that's not happening . . . YET.

As I'm sure everyone here knows, Indonesia is a Muslim nation and is the 4th most populous in the world (after India, China and the US).

Since the US is abandoning its Policeman of the World status, and since the Iran deal seems likely to institutionalize charging fees for passage through Hormuz, why shouldn't other well-placed nations also jump on this money-making proposition?

Then Yemen, Djibouti and maybe Eritrea could charge to enter and leave the Red Sea.

What other choke points could be good moneymakers? How about Britain, Spain and Morocco controlling access to and from the Mediterranean Sea? That sounds like a non-starter, but who knows?
 
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There was a huge cost to build the canal. The savings to go around the cape are calculable. The cost to go through the canal can be measured. Charge accordingly. Charging to go through natural waters is piracy. Maybe the US should charge for passage through the Strait of Gibraltar...
 
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HoggI74 said:
Well America once built the Panama Canal but Jimmy Carter ( worst president ever ) gave it away...
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Derailed thread in 3……2…….
 
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HoggI74 said:
There was a huge cost to build the canal. The savings to go around the cape are calculable. The cost to go through the canal can be measured. Charge accordingly. Charging to go through natural waters is piracy. Maybe the US should charge for passage through the Strait of Gibraltar...
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US?,.. Spain and Morocco.
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
Perhaps in conjunction with Malaysia and Singapore.

OK, that's not happening . . . YET.

As I'm sure everyone here knows, Indonesia is a Muslim nation and is the 4th most populous in the world (after India, China and the US).

Since the US is abandoning its Policeman of the World status, and since the Iran deal seems likely to institutionalize charging fees for passage through Hormuz, why shouldn't other well-placed nations also jump on this money-making proposition?

Then Yemen, Djibouti and maybe Eritrea could charge to enter and leave the Red Sea.

What other choke points could be good moneymakers? How about Britain, Spain and Morocco controlling access to and from the Mediterranean Sea? That sounds like a non-starter, but who knows?
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I've posted this before, but it seems to me that unless we want the US to be in the role of the world's overseer, control of tolls/fees for international waterways should be the responsibility of the UN or some other international agency.
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
Perhaps in conjunction with Malaysia and Singapore.

OK, that's not happening . . . YET.

As I'm sure everyone here knows, Indonesia is a Muslim nation and is the 4th most populous in the world (after India, China and the US).

Since the US is abandoning its Policeman of the World status, and since the Iran deal seems likely to institutionalize charging fees for passage through Hormuz, why shouldn't other well-placed nations also jump on this money-making proposition?

Then Yemen, Djibouti and maybe Eritrea could charge to enter and leave the Red Sea.

What other choke points could be good moneymakers? How about Britain, Spain and Morocco controlling access to and from the Mediterranean Sea? That sounds like a non-starter, but who knows?
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At this point, after this unprecedented display of weakness and incompetence by the current American president, anything is possible.
 
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Yes, Nobel Peace Prize winning peanut farming President Jimmy Carter.
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I should have told my banker that JC would win the Noble Prize in the future when we had to file for bankruptcy in 1979. Probably would have made a huge difference…:rolleyes:
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
Perhaps in conjunction with Malaysia and Singapore.

OK, that's not happening . . . YET.

As I'm sure everyone here knows, Indonesia is a Muslim nation and is the 4th most populous in the world (after India, China and the US).

Since the US is abandoning its Policeman of the World status, and since the Iran deal seems likely to institutionalize charging fees for passage through Hormuz, why shouldn't other well-placed nations also jump on this money-making proposition?

Then Yemen, Djibouti and maybe Eritrea could charge to enter and leave the Red Sea.

What other choke points could be good moneymakers? How about Britain, Spain and Morocco controlling access to and from the Mediterranean Sea? That sounds like a non-starter, but who knows?
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I have NO PROBLEM with this. I disagree with Trump on a LOT of things, but not on this one. Since WWII the US Navy has played policeman of the world on the oceans... keeping things like this from happening and cutting down on piracy. We just flat out can't afford this anymore.

I'd have MUCH preferred some intense negotiations for some backdoor payments from the nations of the world to continue this, but Trump just basically said out loud we weren't going to do it unless everyone paid up. Now pride is involved and no one is thinking straight. Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore could easily cut off this choke point which carries almost 30% of the world's maritime oil (as opposed to 20% for the Iran straights). Of note, VERY little oil imported by the US goes through here.

So F it I say. The problem here is that NO ONE else can even try to hold it open. Russia is a joke and China only has 3 total aircraft carriers including a repurposed Soviet one that actually has a ski jump to launch planes. They couldn't keep a carrier group at sea all the time under any conditions, yet 80% of THEIR imported oil comes through here. Let them handle it (and pay the fees).
 
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What Would Jesus Do?

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hopefultiger13 said:
I have NO PROBLEM with this. I disagree with Trump on a LOT of things, but not on this one. Since WWII the US Navy has played policeman of the world on the oceans... keeping things like this from happening and cutting down on piracy. We just flat out can't afford this anymore.
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I think this is the sensible question we need to ask: is it still to our advantage to be the ruler of the waves and guarantor of open trade? Obviously the world and especially the US hugely benefited from us taking over that responsibility. But is that still the case?

Suppose we abandon that "duty"? What happens?

We made a deal with the world that basically said "we'll protect trade, if you will use dollars." If we stop protecting trade, do they stop using dollars?
 
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