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ChucktownWillie said:
Great news. I hope it sticks.
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Any "deals" with Iran, I can't help but feel skepticism. I'm with you. I hope it sticks.

That said, I think Trump desperately wants out of conflict and Iran desperately wants the pummeling to stop.

Israel and Hezbollah worry me though.
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I don't trust 'em @30CAT ....they never have lived up to any other agreement, why should we expect them to start now? :unsure:
 
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Still, the only thing that matters right now is what happens in Lebanon.
Will Bibi let a peace deal happen?
 
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atlkvb said:
Ask Hezbollah. BB isn't launching rockets at them! :rolleyes:
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ok then I expect there is no MoU there is no peace deal and this is all hot air and Trumps claims of a peace deal mean nothing
Bibi has already come out and said the IDF isn't pulling out of Lebanon and that is one of Iran's requirements for talks to even start
 
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ok then I expect there is no MoU there is no peace deal and this is all hot air and Trumps claims of a peace deal mean nothing
Bibi has already come out and said the IDF isn't pulling out of Lebanon and that is one of Iran's requirements for talks to even start
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You don't know that. Israel wants Peace, and they aren't standing in the way of this deal. However they do insist on the right to defend themselves, so if Hezbollah wants to keep firing drones and missiles at them...then yes, Israel will respond. Iran has control over Hezbollah so maybe your issue is with elements of the IRGC who don't want this Peace deal? Israel is OK with it as long as they can defend themselves...and they will.
 
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You don't know that. Israel wants Peace, and they aren't standing in the way of this deal. However they do insist on the right to defend themselves, so if Hezbollah wants to keep firing drones and missiles at them...then yes, Israel will respond. Iran has control over Hezbollah so maybe your issue is with elements of the IRGC who don't want this Peace deal? Israel is OK with it as long as they can defend themselves...and they will.
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You're right I don't know that I can only HIGHLY suspect.
I guess it's possible Iran steps down their insistence that Israel withdraws from Lebanon and it is possible Trump convinces Bibi to withdraw but I do not think Bibi wants there to be a peace deal.
He has wanted the US to go to war with Iran for decades and I don't think he is yet satisfied.
 
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You're right I don't know that I can only HIGHLY suspect.
I guess it's possible Iran steps down their insistence that Israel withdraws from Lebanon and it is possible Trump convinces Bibi to withdraw but I do not think Bibi wants there to be a peace deal.
He has wanted the US to go to war with Iran for decades and I don't think he is yet satisfied.
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I just think you're wrong. Israel is not threatening anyone in the Arab world, even though it's surrounded by hostile enemies. If the Arab nations dedicated to destroying Israel would lay down their weapons tomorrow, there would be Peace. If Israel laid down its weapons tomorrow, they'd be destroyed.

Big difference.
 
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atlkvb said:
I just think you're wrong. Israel is not threatening anyone in the Arab world, even though it's surrounded by hostile enemies. If the Arab nations dedicated to destroying Israel would lay down their weapons tomorrow, there would be Peace. If Israel laid down its weapons tomorrow, they'd be destroyed.

Big difference.
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This ^
Isreal does not want to be in Lebanon...... they want them to stop bombing them simply because they are not Muslim.
 
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President Trump on Israel and Hezbollah:
"Israel is fighting Hezbollah too long, and too many people are being killed."
"You don't have to knock down an apartment house every time you're looking for somebody. There are a lot of people in those apartment houses and they're not all Hezbollah."
"I suggested to Israel to let Syria take care of Hezbollah."

On Israel striking Hezbollah in Beirut:
"I did not like that, I let them know that."
Says the attack was "too much."
"If Israel can't do the job without killing everyone else, he'll do the job, Syria will do the job."
"Bibi has to be more responsible with respect to Lebanon."
"I'm not happy with the way Israel has handled themselves with Lebanon, and with Hezbollah."
"Israel would have been blown up a long time ago, had I not gotten involved."
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Ok. So Hezbollah should stop bombing Isarel and there will be peace. Currently Lebanon and Isarel are working on a senerio where both disarm Hezbollah together. Either way Iran needs to worry about Iran and not it's proxies going forward.
 
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My understanding is Iran sponsors hezbolla . Now if Iran has no income how are they paying them ? Is Lebanon supporting hezbolla and blaming Iran?
 
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My understanding is Iran sponsors hezbolla . Now if Iran has no income how are they paying them ? Is Lebanon supporting hezbolla and blaming Iran?
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I posted in several other threads Hezbollah was also running drugs out of South America. So that's why we are down there currently putting a stop to that. So you are correct they are currently suffering an income issues that hasn't been the case in the past.




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Alex Jones new friend was previously selling them weapons and supplies.
 
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My understanding is Iran sponsors hezbolla . Now if Iran has no income how are they paying them ? Is Lebanon supporting hezbolla and blaming Iran?
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What is stopping China or Russia or even North Korea from also giving money to Hezbollah?
I don't think Hezbollah is just a second military that only Iran funds, funds could come from anywhere.

In the end Israel is doing themselves no favors as their approval for under 50 is almost nonexistent and only getting worse at this point, both global and here in the US.

I really liked this one and found it funny:
"I suggested to Israel to let Syria take care of Hezbollah."
 
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cam_blev said:
What is stopping China or Russia or even North Korea from also giving money to Hezbollah?
I don't think Hezbollah is just a second military that only Iran funds, funds could come from anywhere.

In the end Israel is doing themselves no favors as their approval for under 50 is almost nonexistent and only getting worse at this point, both global and here in the US.

I really liked this one and found it funny:
"I suggested to Israel to let Syria take care of Hezbollah."
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We get it you hate the jews but if Hezbollah was launching bombs at your house you would demand something be done about it. As far as approval rating they aren't real popular with Neo-Nazis and Neo-Marxists. All the other sane people in the world understand Hezbollah is the problem and need to stop committing terrorism. These people would cut your throat for not submitting to Islam so me watching idiots defend them is fvcking hilarious.

As far as Russia and China that's the reason we need a strong military.
 
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We get it you hate the jews but if Hezbollah was launching bombs at your house you would demand something be done about it. As far as approval rating they aren't real popular with Neo-Nazis and Neo-Marxists. All the other sane people in the world understand Hezbollah is the problem and need to stop committing terrorism. These people would cut your throat for not submitting to Islam so me watching idiots defend them is fvcking hilarious.

As far as Russia and China that's the reason we need a strong military.
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Fundamentally, that’s my problem with the libertarians, they think if we pulled out of the region, everything would just be fine for us. Its just not accurate.
 
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Fundamentally, that’s my problem with the libertarians, they think if we pulled out of the region, everything would just be fine for us. Its just not accurate.
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20 year wars in the middle east are a bad idea. Allowing Russia and China to have all the influence there is even worse. So when I hear we shouldn't be looking for a happy medium or working towards peace through strength I get the impression that the socialist propaganda is working on a few short sighted individuals. That or they are getting paid.

CCP belt to road initiative running right through there all the way to Africa.
 
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We get it you hate the jews but if Hezbollah was launching bombs at your house you would demand something be done about it. As far as approval rating they aren't real popular with Neo-Nazis and Neo-Marxists. All the other sane people in the world understand Hezbollah is the problem and need to stop committing terrorism. These people would cut your throat for not submitting to Islam so me watching idiots defend them is fvcking hilarious.

As far as Russia and China that's the reason we need a strong military.
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The idea is the same if you lived in Beirut and Israel was leveling apartment building though no?
 
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BREAKING: The US has released the full text of its 14-point "Memorandum of Understanding" with Iran. Key terms include:

1. The US, Iran, and their allies agree to immediately and permanently end military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon

2. The US and Iran agree to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity and not interfere in each other's internal affairs

3. The US and Iran commit to negotiating and reaching a final deal within 60 days, unless mutually extended

4. The US will begin removing its naval blockade immediately and fully end the blockade within 30 days

5. Iran will use its best efforts to ensure safe passage for commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz for 60 days with no charge

6. The US and regional partners will develop a mutually agreed plan of at least $300 billion for Iran's reconstruction and economic development

7. The US will work toward terminating all types of sanctions against Iran, including UN, IAEA, primary, and secondary sanctions

8. Iran reaffirms that it will not procure or develop nuclear weapons and agrees to address its enriched material stockpile under IAEA supervision

9. Until a final deal is reached, Iran will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program, while the US will impose no new sanctions and deploy no additional forces

10. The US Treasury will issue waivers for Iranian crude oil, petroleum products, derivatives, and associated banking, insurance, and transportation services

11. The US will make frozen or restricted Iranian funds and assets fully available for use

12. The US and Iran will establish an executive mechanism to monitor implementation of the MOU and future compliance with the final deal

13. After signing the MOU and implementing key ceasefire, blockade, shipping, oil waiver, and asset-release provisions, the US and Iran will begin final deal negotiations

14. The final deal will be endorsed by a binding UN Security Council resolution The memorandum will trigger a 60-day window to negotiate a final deal.


"We run out of reserves in about 4 weeks"



Regarding number 6 and the $300B, it does say regional allies, I see this as the other Gulf States supplying most of this money. I also bet Kushner makes a killing off the rebuilding efforts!
 
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BREAKING: The US has released the full text of its 14-point "Memorandum of Understanding" with Iran. Key terms include:

1. The US, Iran, and their allies agree to immediately and permanently end military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon

2. The US and Iran agree to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity and not interfere in each other's internal affairs

3. The US and Iran commit to negotiating and reaching a final deal within 60 days, unless mutually extended

4. The US will begin removing its naval blockade immediately and fully end the blockade within 30 days

5. Iran will use its best efforts to ensure safe passage for commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz for 60 days with no charge

6. The US and regional partners will develop a mutually agreed plan of at least $300 billion for Iran's reconstruction and economic development

7. The US will work toward terminating all types of sanctions against Iran, including UN, IAEA, primary, and secondary sanctions

8. Iran reaffirms that it will not procure or develop nuclear weapons and agrees to address its enriched material stockpile under IAEA supervision

9. Until a final deal is reached, Iran will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program, while the US will impose no new sanctions and deploy no additional forces

10. The US Treasury will issue waivers for Iranian crude oil, petroleum products, derivatives, and associated banking, insurance, and transportation services

11. The US will make frozen or restricted Iranian funds and assets fully available for use

12. The US and Iran will establish an executive mechanism to monitor implementation of the MOU and future compliance with the final deal

13. After signing the MOU and implementing key ceasefire, blockade, shipping, oil waiver, and asset-release provisions, the US and Iran will begin final deal negotiations

14. The final deal will be endorsed by a binding UN Security Council resolution The memorandum will trigger a 60-day window to negotiate a final deal.


"We run out of reserves in about 4 weeks"



Regarding number 6 and the $300B, it does say regional allies, I see this as the other Gulf States supplying most of this money. I also bet Kushner makes a killing off the rebuilding efforts!
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I’m just curious, where is the “end the genocide” crowd with the IRGC murdering 10s if not a 100 thousand of its own people the last 4-6 months?
 
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BREAKING: The US has released the full text of its 14-point "Memorandum of Understanding" with Iran. Key terms include:

1. The US, Iran, and their allies agree to immediately and permanently end military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon

2. The US and Iran agree to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity and not interfere in each other's internal affairs

3. The US and Iran commit to negotiating and reaching a final deal within 60 days, unless mutually extended

4. The US will begin removing its naval blockade immediately and fully end the blockade within 30 days

5. Iran will use its best efforts to ensure safe passage for commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz for 60 days with no charge

6. The US and regional partners will develop a mutually agreed plan of at least $300 billion for Iran's reconstruction and economic development

7. The US will work toward terminating all types of sanctions against Iran, including UN, IAEA, primary, and secondary sanctions

8. Iran reaffirms that it will not procure or develop nuclear weapons and agrees to address its enriched material stockpile under IAEA supervision

9. Until a final deal is reached, Iran will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program, while the US will impose no new sanctions and deploy no additional forces

10. The US Treasury will issue waivers for Iranian crude oil, petroleum products, derivatives, and associated banking, insurance, and transportation services

11. The US will make frozen or restricted Iranian funds and assets fully available for use

12. The US and Iran will establish an executive mechanism to monitor implementation of the MOU and future compliance with the final deal

13. After signing the MOU and implementing key ceasefire, blockade, shipping, oil waiver, and asset-release provisions, the US and Iran will begin final deal negotiations

14. The final deal will be endorsed by a binding UN Security Council resolution The memorandum will trigger a 60-day window to negotiate a final deal.


"We run out of reserves in about 4 weeks"



Regarding number 6 and the $300B, it does say regional allies, I see this as the other Gulf States supplying most of this money. I also bet Kushner makes a killing off the rebuilding efforts!
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Also, removing all sanctions and giving them all frozen assets. How does an admin so critical of the JCPOA (rightfully so) roll out something like this
 
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Also, removing all sanctions and giving them all frozen assets. How does an admin so critical of the JCPOA (rightfully so) roll out something like this
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Probably better than just giving them crates of money, billions of dollars, not destroying their military, not taking out their nuclear capabilities, letting them continue with their nuclear weapon aspirations and letting them continue terrorizing the world, no?

Trump has done more to curb Iran's plans of terror than any administration. How about a "Thank you Mr. President.?"....
 
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The idea is the same if you lived in Beirut and Israel was leveling apartment building though no?
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No because Isarel wouldn't be leveling anything in Lebanon if Hezbollah would stop trying to kill them. You do understand Hezbollah is the aggressor right? Then they run and hide behind "civilians". Hence why the Lebanese Government needs to deal with Hezbollah.
 
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Probably better than just giving them crates of money, billions of dollars, not destroying their military, not taking out their nuclear capabilities, letting them continue with their nuclear weapon aspirations and letting them continue terrorizing the world, no?

Trump has done more to curb Iran's plans of terror than any administration. How about a "Thank you Mr. President.?"....
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Objectively, it’s a pretty weak titty MOU.
 
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Objectively, it’s a pretty weak titty MOU.
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You should know the MOU means very little. They do what they are told or we can always bomb them again later as negotiations continue for the next several months.


 
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JUST IN: President Trump announces he expects a CEASEFIRE from ALL sides, including Hezbollah and Israel “The United States is committed to PEACE, and we encourage everyone in the Middle East Region to maintain their commitment to allowing our negotiations to beautifully unfold. The Markets are loving what is happening with Oil Prices way down, and Stocks way up.” “We expect a complete Ceasefire on all fronts, including Lebanon, Hezbollah, and Israel. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP” Pray for peace! He’s making it happen
 
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