First preseason all-SEC I’ve seen.
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Having really good kicking and punting can win us a couple close games. And I figure we likely will be in 4 to 5 games decided by less than 7 points.
So Kelley Jones and Isaac Smith, two of our best players, were guys initially crooter by Leach. In a class so good, that we promoted Arnett to keep it together.
Yet all I hear is that Leach tanked crootin.
Yet all I hear is that Leach tanked crootin.
Oh lord. Guys, I swear I didn’t mean to start this sh*t again.
Honestly I had no idea we still had 2 players in the roster that Leach recruited. In the current college sports world I find that amazing.
So, seems to me it’s kinda relevant.
What I’m really afraid of is what happens if Lebby fumbles into a 6-6 season. 2027 could be 2-10.
I just hope we’re not 2-10 in 2026. If Lebby manages to win 6 games, I’m ok with taking our chances on 2027.
So you and me both know he will go 5-7 again. Probably with one solid win that gets him another year.
I'm sure a lot of it comes from the people that also said Mullen couldn't recruit.
Leach totally destroyed our recruiting connections in state, and for us that is what really matters. He did not want the type of guys we had attracted the last decade. People slated Mullen’s recruiting, in actuality his recruiting was the best we had ever had. That isn’t debatable. Lebby had to literally start from scratch. This is the biggest rebuilding job in MSU history.
We won’t win 5 this year. I see no more than 3 wins, and that is my optomistic evaluation.
Not even close….LOL. The opposite. The proof is where we are you idiot. I realize you are a groupie so you are blind when it comes to the object of your affection. Leach left us with nothing on one side of the ball, and not as much as you think on the other side. We were going to suck the next year had he lived. The defense was GONE. You have been wrong about Leach completely. What I predicted when we hired him happened almost exactly as I said it would. I said we MIGHT win a little with him, and we did. I said it would be a disaster when he was gone, and it is. It’s the single worst decision MSU has ever made for football other than firing McKeen. Congratulations, your vision for MSU football has come to pass, you have to be very proud!
The dead horse has been turned into sand at this point. Congrats on ruining the thread from the get go
Every damn year is the next biggest rebuilding job in MSU history. Please remember some of us saw 1-10 and 2-9, 2-8 seasons multiple times 4 and 5 decades ago. This ain’t nothing new for older State fans. In fact, we have come to expect it because there hasn’t been enough money to hire a sitting good coach away from anyone with a pulse and now there isn’t enough money to pay good coaches AND players!
Congrats to long-suffering fan bases like Indiana and Oregon for having wealthy benefactors to buy them out of their misery!
2023 was the fault of Arnett and the RuNdAbAwLeRs changing the offense. He also was stupid in the portal (both incoming and outgoing).
2024 was going to be a rebuilding year for anybody but was likely 5-7 or 6-6 for Leach. But due to yet another disaster in the portal we got what we got.
2025 and 2026 were more disasters in the portal but even still, the consistent good players are the Leach guys that are still here.
This entire thing is due to horrible decision making. Leach’s death was hard, but every decision made since then has been horrific. We tend to do this though, like after Jackie’s fall (which again, was bad, but bearable), we keep him a year too long then hire the worst imaginable coach.
It’s all the summarized mentality of the people who think like you. It’s a big reason our football program doesn’t perform well relative to potential. Most smart people have just dismissed it because it’s a lost cause.
You don’t know who Kelley Jones or Isaac Smith are?
Back when you still had tie games, we had the longest non winning streak in the Nation. Don’t remember the exact years but it was in the mid 1960’s. Finally we kicked a late field goal to beat the Richmond Spiders 17-14 at Scott Field ending the streak that covered portions of three seasons. The goal post came down and I personally witnessed grown men crying after the game. You younger fans just need to toughen up. I assure you that it can get much, much worse. 🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
You’re on the wrong message board then. They’re all very good players.
I’m not sure what’s more embarrassing. That we had the longest non winning streak in the nation or that it took a late field goal vs the Richmond Spiders to break it.
Damn you were finally able to name some players!!!
good for you! Only took you a 17ing year!!
They have 4th team all conference awards?
What you have never understood is that Leach was exactly what you have always wanted, a niche coach, a unicorn. He recruited to run a unicorn offense, one that Mississippi does not produce many of the type of players needed to run it. He naturally went after his kind of players elsewhere. Leach could pull kids like that from elsewhere to MSU because of his reputation. Few other coaches can. That burned bridges, long-standing bridges. It was all well and good as long as the unicorn was running his unicorn offense. Nobody else could run it like him, and nobody does or even really tries. He also didn't recruit much to the defensive side of the ball, just like at all of his other stops. It worked for HIM, sort of. We were running out of legacy defensive players, and then Leach died. The aftermath has been exactly what I said it would be when he was no longer the coach. It was THE reason I did not want to hire him. Had this happened 15-20 years ago it might not have been so bad, but football has moved on.
I feel like the 9 game SEC schedule is going to require some recalibration of expectations. Not just for us but for everyone. No idea who in their right mind thought this was a good idea but it’s the new normal now.
We essentially traded a home game against a MAC school for a home game against Oklahoma this year.
Didn't other conferences force that on us? If so it's because that they knew that it would cause problems for every SEC school, from those SEC teams trying to get into the