Irvine yes, but UCLA and further are ok at least in my daughter’s case. I also think UCLA and Berkeley are in a category that should transcend the “too close to home” argument. Not sure the ones I mentioned got into those two but I know they got into UCI and UCSD.
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UCLA and Berkeley are legit Top 5 nationally amongst publics, if not #1 and #2 nationally. Those are schools you suck it up and go to if you get into them whether they are 5 mins away or across country.
They send kids all over Europe. Paris vs Cook, wonder which one the kids preferred
yeah the Tampa thing is nuts. I know someone's whose daughter is heading there. I just laugh
I am talking about making friends, but yes being an 18 year old in Europe is definitely going to be fun as long as you have self control lol
I mean it'd certainly be interesting if there was a huge % of Bay Area kids at UCSD and SoCal kids at Berkeley and Davis but somehow I doubt it. I know a ton of people that grew up in LA and went to UCLA and USC. But if there is info on it I'd love to see it.
Idk if there is a list of top CA schools for OOS but I would imagine Oregon and Arizona and ASU are up there for people who don't make UC. Going to Alabama or Missouri over UCSD or Irvine should cause a brain damage check.
USF is a public school also and therefore cheaper but they may require more than a pulse to get in.
Honestly I think it's two things. One Tiktok culture because they can post it's warm out most of the year, girls post thirst traps etc. And two the parents say they're going to move to Florida and can be hovering. For some reason if that happens in NJ it's bad but in Florida it's wonderful.
And I think they want a private school so it can be filled with NJ kids and be familiar. The kids from NJ just want to be with other wealthy and upper middle class colleagues. Presumably a FL state school would have icky middle class kids and they don't want that!
As I said before, ucla and Berkeley are in a class of their own.
Again, I know the child you are suggesting has brain damage, parents too. Though Mizzou is an interring choice, she wanted a school in the south, bigger athletic profile, etc. it matched her major choice. Very far from brain damaged. Point being, more often than not there’s reasoning behind going further away and it’s not the narrow “ShopRite line” story you constantly run with.
I mean..."a school in the south with a bigger athletic profile"...assuming the child isn't the athlete herself that IS the Shop Rite story.
With the cost of college today, do you really think a middle class kid is thinking of anything but the best school for the best price?
Being able to consider the athletic profile of the school and wanting a region you can only fly to...that's ShopRite right there. It's shorthand for not academics and value, but rather factors that don't matter in the real world- how pretty the campus is is another favorite.
Also...literally no employer outside of Missouri is going to be more impressed with Mizzou over Irvine, indicating a job is likely waiting with a connection.
It's kind of funny. When I was applying, a wealthier parent could foot the bill for a Cult even though it was a lesser school than RU. Now the K shape of the economy is such that that's no longer fancy enough. We need a whole new region- one big on TikTok.
And again, these Southern loving families and students never end up at UF, UGA, GT, Vandy, Emory, Wake Forest, UNC, Duke- the real academic cream of the crop places. Mystery...
Add Tulane, SMU and Rice to the list of the top tier Southern schools. But yeah, the current day NJ kids hellbent on going to a Southern school never end up at the top academic Southern schools like Vandy, Florida, UNC, Wake, Duke, GT, Emory, Tulane, etc. They end up at meh 2nd or 3rd tier state schools like Coastal Carolina or Florida Atlantic lol.
failure in parenting unless the specific program is a top program. Kids getting into ucsd and irvine are not dumb, surprised to see kids choose much lesser academic schools in this regard. agree with you on ucla, it's an outstanding school
The Florida thing is interesting as my youngest is looking at UF and Miami, as well as some other schools out of state, due to program and area of focus. The Florida schools are cheap, even for oos kids so I get that angle from a parent's perspective but then I think about how irresponsible the parent is to pi$$ money away on a degree like Tampa, USF, UCF etc. because it's warm or looks nice. I just don't get it.
The Big 3 in Florida (UF, Miami, FSU) are fine academically, even USF is solid academically. U of Tampa, UCF, FIU, FAU, etc are academic dogs and just goes back to the parents allowing their kids to make poor decisions or just enabling said poor decisions to justify moving to FL.
I'm with you guys. I have people ask me about helping their kids with wall st and I politely tell them that unless they went to a target school, there is no way I can get them into any of the programs. I'm sure it's the same in other industries; I know a few large CPCs that only take marketing and finance kids from target schools for their management programs as well.
Hell, even some graduate/law programs are increasing scrutiny on undergrad degrees.
the big 3 pending program sure (and I'm holding my nose on fsu as I type this) but you'll never convince me on the others.
edit-FSU has gotten better on some things so I'm being harsh but old ways dies hard lol
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For someone who presents as open minded as you, you sure do have a narrow view on this one. Kids should be ok staying home at a state school and being around people of all walks of life. Solid stating point, no disagreement. But choosing to go out of state to see what amounts to a different culture down south for a costal elite is a bad thing? We are talking general state schools here. Your average Rutgers/Ucsd kid isn’t getting into the ivies of the South, we can remove that argument. There’s very much something to be said for seeing other parts or the country and every kid/family doing it isn’t doing it for the tok
what Ivies of the South are you referring to? I've seen kids with ivy like aspirations rejected by UF and kids rejected at Rutger get in to UF. Surely you are not including UF, Miami, Wake, UNC and host of other schools being discussed here as 'ivies of the south that your RU/UCSD kid isn't getting into'
also, the oos admissions process has varied applicability to each candidate at the candidates point in time of applying
Vandy, Duke, Emory, etc. To your latter point I agree, there’s always individual stories behind acceptances and choices. It’s why I think blankly labeling strangers as brain dead or bad parents is a stretch. Of course that applies to some cases but not as broadly as discussed here.
This one popped up in the neighborhood recently. Can’t imagine they are sending her from San Diego to Union for the internet clout.
that's embarrassing to be honest but at least there is a Rutgers touch point!!!!!!
agree on vandy, Emory and Duke, all outstanding schools
I don't understand the decisions parents make with respects to college. I certainly appreciate wanting to your kid to be happy but holy Batman, some are just mind bottling.
They are going as a group. Still make friends. I think it usually a few hundred kids per location. Small percentage can’t handle the “freedom”.