UFO/aliens……
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Does anyone honestly think there's any way something like this could be covered up successfully?
These guys believe - and so do the police.
Sad as it is, it's much more plausible that all these people with inside knowledge or UFO stories are just lying their asses off or crazy.
The fact that some people would rather see this thread locked than to have their beliefs challenged is disheartening. It’s ok to explore ideas that your mom and dad and told you not to think about. You won’t burn up.
It’s also ok to just scroll past things that don’t interest you. There’s plenty of room for different ideas, you don’t have to protect any virtual turf.
It’s also ok to just scroll past things that don’t interest you. There’s plenty of room for different ideas, you don’t have to protect any virtual turf.
Some were, some weren't. Because parents are different all over the world. That should be obvious.
Well, I started reading Alien Interview by Lawerence Spencer two nights ago. I should be able to definitively answer this question in another week or two. For those that don’t know. This is the stolen transcripts and personal recollections of the woman nurse who claims to have interviewed the survivor of the Roswell crash.
I am religious person. If the US Government came out said yes there are life on other planets and we have been in contact with them. It would probably make my faith even stronger.
So true. I don’t get the mutual exclusivity of multiple life forms in the cosmos and a Creator. That doesn’t make much sense.
Most religious things on planet earth are made for humans, I’m not sure a God who’s been around for 14 Billion years would spend all His time on this one little project, which frankly doesn’t seem to be going all that well. Although He did let Ole Miss make the playoffs and He’s often short on cash, so the mysteries remain.
Also, if this is His only creation, why did he wait 9 billion years to get started on it? What was he up to? Setting up the infrastructure? Running test planets? Just vibing?
Ha, so true. Depends on which cult your ancestors found themselves in before it was absorbed by one of the religions we can name today.
Honestly, if any of us takes the time to trace our ancestry, it’s interesting to see how far back you have to go before there was a change in the family religion. My family is from Scotland, and somewhere around fifteen hundred years ago one of my great-great-grandfathers likely decided my family were Christians at the tip of a spear. Generations upon generations have gone to that same church ever since and it wasn’t an option to question it. So I’m probably one of the first family members in fifteen hundred years to actually ask, what the hell is all this?
To be fair, I’m also the first one with access to enough information and freedom to even have the conversation. That’s not a fair comparison to anyone who came before me, but it does mean the question is now mine to answer honestly.
Religion for the most part is a collection of man-made ideas and traditions and commerce and I don’t think it’s necessary for spirituality (I don’t mean your religion, of course, I mean all the other ones).
Here’s what spirituality (and the question of life beyond our borders) could be:
Take a powerful telescope and look as far as you can in one direction and all you see is emptiness with tiny particles all vibrating in harmony. Take a powerful microscope and look the other way and you see the exact same thing. At the quantum level, the little particles don’t actually even exist until we look at them (what the hell??).
Everything in the universe, from a single proton to a galaxy, is vibrating at some magic resonance that keeps it all together, always moving, always adapting. It would be pretty gobsmacking to think that was by accident.
So, on the original question about aliens, I’ll just say this. There is a substantially greater chance that we are not alone in this universe than there is that my ancestor happened to point me in the right direction fifteen hundred years ago rather than just burn at a stake.
It use to be are celestial beings real, then I come out on here to you a holes proving the Devil is real. Next thing I know everybody wants 17ing ET.
So far I’m not a believer but I’m less than a quarter of the way into it. The author freely admits that he couldn’t substantiate any of the transcripts nor could he even prove this woman existed.
That doesn't sound like a waste of time at all...***
Hopefully it's at least an entertaining read.
I've always thought that Fermi's Theorem was the most likely answer, and it incorporates the Drake equation to some degree. There is intelligent life throughout the universe and our galaxy, but the time it would take to develop the tech, the sheer vastness of space and the window that such a civilization would have to search/communicate make it unlikely that we'll ever reach another one.
They were typically smarter than us. Time to get over it. If yours threatened you with hell and/or eternal damnation, they were smarter than you and you’ve proved my point.
I'm not sure what you're missing about the idea that all parents are not your parents or my parents. They're wildly different from each other and they expect and teach their kids different things.
So saying "our parents were right" is obviously not right. Some were, some weren't, and with a lot of them, the jury's still out.
Well, I’m a little deeper. Turns out earth is a galactic penal colony. We are all convicted criminals and undesirables from other planets who have been sentenced to spend eternity on earth. Various planets drop off our convicted spiritual beings off on earth then these beings are given amnesia about their/our former existence and occupy a biological form. Once our biological body dies our spiritual soul is just transferred to another biological body. We’re in perpetual prison and since the spiritual celestial beings never die it’s eternal. I’ll keep you updated.
We can literally directly image the accretion disk around a black hole in a galaxy a million light years from here. But an alien spacecraft at 1/4 mile looks like a sun glare on the cockpit window. Strange.
The black triangle shaped UFO’s were developed by Skunkworks. Rocketdog probably knows this. Word is that one of the engineers got tired of their achievements never being recognized in public so they painted a skunk tail on one of the TR3’s and people saw it. I was told this by an old coworker of mine whose father worked with Wernher Von Braun. Huntsville is an interesting place.
The cameras on jets aren’t exactly the highest tech in the world. Never have been.
Yeah, but haven't we had some pretty high tech, high flying jets through the years whose primary purpose was to take good pictures.
Yeah but those are high altitude cameras. It’s way different.
Long reply but the answer to your question might be hiding inside the question itself. The very reason we can photograph the accretion disk around a black hole is precisely because of how black holes affect light. Gravity bends it. That bending of light is what makes the image possible in the first place.
Now apply that same physics to a craft that generates a localized gravitational or electromagnetic field strong enough to neutralize Earth’s gravity and pull off the speeds and angles these things seem to move at. Light approaching that field wouldn’t travel in a straight line to your camera lens. It would bend around or through the field the same way it does near any massive gravitational object. Your camera, and your eyeballs for that matter, would receive photons that originated behind the craft, not from it. You wouldn’t see the craft at all. You’d see whatever is behind it. The field makes the craft functionally invisible not because it’s transparent but because it’s redirecting the exact light that would have revealed it.
There’s a secondary problem too. Fighter jet cameras are optimized for imaging conventional objects that reflect light predictably. A craft wrapped in a dynamic field that’s constantly shifting as it maneuvers would produce an image that looks like a smear, an orb, a heat distortion, a little black spot with a ball around it, or just nothing. Not because the camera needs an upgrade but because the physics of what it’s trying to capture are actively working against it. One thing photography absolutely requires is light moving in a predictable straight line behavior. If you move during a long exposure, your portrait is blurred.
It sounds crazy but none of what I’m describing is technically outside the realm of known physics. To offset Earth’s gravity all you need is a material (or series of materials) capable of generating a repulsive magnetic field equal to 9.8 meters per second squared.
Think of it like the high speed maglev trains which travel up to 600 km/hr not by fighting gravity, but by repelling against a magnetic field beneath them and float. The only difference is the train has a dedicated rail with a known consistent field to push against. A craft doing this in open air would need to manage the inconsistency of Earth’s natural magnetic field in three dimensions, which is a harder engineering problem but not a different physics problem.
We don’t know how to produce those materials yet but we are getting closer. Elements 115, 116, 117, and 118 were all recently added to the periodic table. Nobody actually knows how high that table goes. If it extends significantly beyond where we are now the properties of those unknown elements are genuinely unpredictable from where we currently sit.
That repulsion versus propulsion method of movement may also explain the crashes. Earth’s gravitational field averages 9.8 meters per second squared but it isn’t uniform across the surface. Geological features, ore deposits, and magnetic anomalies create variations. If your craft is calibrated to navigate against a predicted field strength and you fly into an anomaly stronger or weaker than expected, your control system gets bad inputs at the worst possible moment. What was stable flight a second ago suddenly isn’t. That’s not a malfunction. That’s a craft that ran into physics it wasn’t prepared for. A maglev train would have catastrophic problems if the rail beneath it suddenly changed field strength without warning. Same idea, much higher stakes.
The irony is that the same property that makes them impossible to photograph is probably exactly what makes them capable of the performance we keep seeing reported.
…one more thought worth adding. Just like religious theory is bound by what humans have been able to observe and experience, our understanding of physics is exactly the same. We built our models from what we could see, measure, and test from our small corner of the universe over a few hundred years of modern science.
Once you leave those known conditions literally anything is possible.
A civilization that developed independently around a different star with different raw materials and millions of additional years of science behind them may operate from a framework where everything we consider impossible is just Tuesday. Our physics isn’t a universal law handed down from outside. It’s just the best model we’ve been able to build so far from where we’re standing.
Assuming that model captures every constraint that actually exists in nature is the same mistake every generation of scientists has made right up until the moment someone proved them wrong.
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Who do you think caused a problem with the latest Space X launch and blew up Bezos' rocket on the launch pad? They don't want us out there. We are much too belligerent.