Depends on the style of play that Poch wants from the team. Each offer different styles.Real head scratcher to take Gio over him.
Depends on the style of play that Poch wants from the team. Each offer different styles.Real head scratcher to take Gio over him.
Depends on the style of play that Poch wants from the team. Each offer different styles.
The part that is odd is Luna seems to be exactly what Poch wants more of on the team - he’s a fighter for every possessionFor sure - I’m not a gio hater and hope he can stay healthy long enough to actually reach his potential. It’s more of a question of his fitness and ability to play at pace if he’s subbed in. Guess we’ve gotta assume Poch sees something.
The part that is odd is Luna seems to be exactly what Poch wants more of on the team - he’s a fighter for every possession
Aaronson’s play during the 2nd half of the PL season boosted his chances of making the roster significantly.I agree. Presume he had to pick btw Aaronson and Luna for work rate and picked Aaronson.
They are just guys. Great they made it to some of the near top clubs but to be a serious player you need the actual dudes on the very bestThis is just patently false unless you're hiding your argument in what "world class talent" means.
We have numerous players who get major minutes at big clubs/leagues
This was a valid argument in the past, but not anymore.
They are just guys. Great they made it to some of the near top clubs but to be a serious player you need the actual dudes on the very best
Right. And that’s my point. We don’t have any truly elite players. Dudes on some good club teams, maybe a cup of coffee on some great ones? Sure. But that doesn’t cut it. Not if you want to truly be competitive.Think it depends on how you define world class - Mbappe, Vini, Yamal, Haaland, Dembele, Bellingham, then no. But definitely guys in the tier below that. Problem is that top countries have far more elite players than they do roster spots.
Right. And that’s my point. We don’t have any truly elite players. Dudes on some good club teams, maybe a cup of coffee on some great ones? Sure. But that doesn’t cut it. Not if you want to truly be competitive.
Proof will be in the pudding on the pitch. 4 yrs ago we clearly under performed and further did awful at Copa America leading to Berhalter finally getting the boot.That’s the problem. America likes winners. We are no closer now then we were 20 years ago.
Right. Which was my point all along. We have some guys, but we have no truly elite talent. We haven’t developed any, and to compound the problem, the guys we have now are soft af. They act like superstars but aren’t. At least. Some of the players and teams of the past had balls. American balls. Now they are Euro soft playing in those leaguesProof will be in the pudding on the pitch. 4 yrs ago we clearly under performed and further did awful at Copa America leading to Berhalter finally getting the boot.
I wonder if we ditched him in 2022 and hired Poch 2 yrs earlier how much of a difference it would have made.
The reality is we clearly by a wide margin have the most talent we’ve ever had top-bottom in tbe prism but we continue to lack elite talent.
We have more legit pros, really good players, just nobody elite that can win a game by themselves.
And sadly we’ve largely regressed in goalkeeping.
If you actually think that the top European leagues are SOFT, well, I guess I just don't know how to respond to that.Right. Which was my point all along. We have some guys, but we have no truly elite talent. We haven’t developed any, and to compound the problem, the guys we have now are soft af. They act like superstars but aren’t. At least. Some of the players and teams of the past had balls. American balls. Now they are Euro soft playing in those leagues
Many of the players are. Our certainly are. Have you been watching them?If you actually think that the top European leagues are SOFT, well, I guess I just don't know how to respond to that.
Name specific players u think are soft and why.Many of the players are. Our certainly are. Have you been watching them?
Did you see the last game? The softest goal I’ve ever seen was scored against them. The program used to at least have heart. I see little of that now.Name specific players u think are soft and why.
Don’t mistake being outclassed in talent with being soft.
Don't buy it, we have top 16 in the world talent in the US. What we don't have is a system that brings kids up in however we want to play as a national team, don't bring in coaches that coach to that system, and have some fools running things whose only goal is to stay in power or find that next role.Just realistic. We simply don’t have any true world class talent. And they lost whatever thing that made them competitive before. Balls.
Nah. Like his attitude, but him being there or not isn't going to make a difference.Mistake no to take Luna. He has the nastiness on the pitch and individual skill we need. Hope it’s not true
Don't watch MLS at all, but thought Luna was actually older than he is.Aaronson’s play during the 2nd half of the PL season boosted his chances of making the roster significantly.
I don’t see Luna being left off this roster as a huge deal since playing time was going to be very limited. He should be a strong contender for the 2030 roster.
Nah. Like his attitude, but him being there or not isn't going to make a difference.
Is the one guy whose attitude is needed due to overall lack of team skill. Especially at the forward spots. We develop goalies, D, and adequate midfielders. We do t ever clinical goal scorers like other nations do. Think it stems from always being in systems and rarely playing outside of it. Creativity is so low.Fair. He’d be coming off the bench for sure, but if the starting 11 are flat or it’s a really physical match, he gives you some intensity and some fearlessness.
Agree on all except we used to develop GK, and defenders . now our best homegrown players are almost all MFs /forwards - Adams, pulisic, McKennie, Weah, wright, Pepi, zendejasIs the one guy whose attitude is needed due to overall lack of team skill. Especially at the forward spots. We develop goalies, D, and adequate midfielders. We do t ever clinical goal scorers like other nations do. Think it stems from always being in systems and rarely playing outside of it. Creativity is so low.
Agree on all except we used to develop GK, and defenders . now our best homegrown players are almost all MFs /forwards - Adams, pulisic, McKennie, Weah, wright, Pepi, zendejas
The only home grown defender or GK that is one of our best players is Richards.
Dest, A Robinson, Tillman, Bologun are not homegrown so we can’t take credit!
But you are 100% right that the final 1/3rd alludes us
Until we develop more Dempseys with a nose for the goal, we will never get to the next level- we need 3-4 of guys like that pitch


Agreed - I like Luna's ball skills and energy - wish he had more speed...Mistake no to take Luna. He has the nastiness on the pitch and individual skill we need. Hope it’s not true
we've had only a few US developed guys that just had the nose for the goal in a way that others didn't.Like this one Dempsey scored with his groin against Portugal in 2014 World Cup. Helped by the fact the Portugal defender was on the ground during the build up.
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Good list. I would add Joe-Max Moore, 24 goals for US team. I watched Joe-Max play many games in MLS. He had uncanny ability to know where a ball pinballing in the box would be, get there, then tap into net.we've had only a few US developed guys that just had the nose for the goal in a way that others didn't.
- Dempsey is by far #1. He wasn't that great on defense nor a great passer but once the ball was at his feet (or body as you called out) he was a threat to score at anytime and that was well worth his other shortcomings
- Donovan was pretty good at just scoring the goal not just creating chances
- Pulisic is right up there but hasn't also been used right by USMNT IMO
- McBride was pretty good as well but had little support around him
If I were the USMNT coach I'd tell each striker and forward, "if you don't make at least one shot attempt per half then I'm going to sub you out" - I mean I know that sounds nuts but at some point you have to SHOOT! we need to get more shots attempts and clearly more on goal. Easier said than done for sure but sometimes it can be so frustrating watch them move the ball around and never actually get close to the goal!
fair. it's probably dempsey then donovan & pulisic then JMM & McBride...something like that IMO. but dempsey by far was the lethal weapon which we do not have right now coming out of US youth soccer.Good list. I would add Joe-Max Moore, 24 goals for US team. I watched Joe-Max play many games in MLS. He had uncanny ability to know where a ball pinballing in the box would be, get there, then tap into net.
Is the one guy whose attitude is needed due to overall lack of team skill. Especially at the forward spots. We develop goalies, D, and adequate midfielders. We do t ever clinical goal scorers like other nations do. Think it stems from always being in systems and rarely playing outside of it. Creativity is so low.
That’s the biggest issue. Even when we’ve had some guys with creativity, there werent creatives who could anticipate what they were going to do.
If it’s even possible, I think Messi’s passing often gets overlooked with his divine touch and goal scoring. It was fun seeing him with Jordi, Busquets and Suarez at inter Miami. These assists are insane - but probably get overlooked by his 2 goals.
Not sure overlooked is correct phraseology, he does have more assists than anyone else in history I believe between club and country. He just has twice as many goals.
Cool. The US stands a chance if they get to use 13 players in a 3-2-2-2-3.Starting lineup prediction for game 1:
3-4-3 formation
GK: Freese
CB: McKenzie, Ream, Richards
WB: A Robinson, Dest
DMF: Adams, Roldan
AMF: McKennie, Zendejas
Forwards: Pulisic, Balogun, Weah
All play in a top 5 league except Freese (MLS), Ream (MLS), Roldan (MLS), Zendejas (Liga MX)
All US youth soccer developed except Robinson (England), Dest (Netherlands), and Balogun (England)
Was editing and hit post too soon, it’s been fixedCool. The US stands a chance if they get to use 13 players.
Actually happened to me once when I played travel soccer as a kid. Travelled to Long Island for a tournament and Patchogue-Medford used 13 starters. Player's dad noticed it, ref stopped game and counted the players, and sent two to the sidelines. Same team began second half with 12 players on field. I was the goalkeeper and they roughed me up. Lost all respect for Suffolk County people since that game.