I've always liked duals. Beating teams head to head is fun and more iowa fans attend duals than nationals. But the ultimate measurement of success has always been how a team and individuals perform in March. There's nothing wrong with wanting the team you pull for to dominate in most duals and also compete for championships.
Of course the duals SHOULD matter. Hell, I enjoy them more. However, the detractors on here CONVENIENTLY ignored just how good Iowa has been in duals, basically his ENTIRE career, simply because it didn't fit their agenda. Now 1 bad year, where they actually BEAT the #2 and #3 teams during the season, allowed those same people to go nuclear and CONVENIENTLY not ignore the dual season.
No one ignored duals. You invented that storyline as a defense for the team's/TnT's poor March performance the last 4 years. Our point all along is BOTH matter as they should. It isn't asking too much to perform very well in duals and compete for championships in March.
well, obviously something is more the zero dollars.
Our memories are completely different and I completely trust mine over yours. The same group whined incessantly from 22-NOW, completely IGNORING how good they have been in Duals and ONLY focusing on March, because it fit the incessant whiner narrative. Go back and find me ANY glaringly positive posts from the Anti-Brands crew, during that timespan, giving any credit for successful dual seasons. You WON'T find any.
Lot of that going around, apparently.
No one "took duals for granted", we enjoyed them and expected the team to perform at a high level in them. Iowa shouldn't lose more than 1-2 duals per season and they certainly shouldn't get their asses kicked like they did vs psu and ohst, nor lose to inferior programs. No serious posters were predicting finishing outside the top 10. Most expected 4th-6th which is where they fell.
Most whined because you refused to let it go!! I have a feeling if people respond to you on this again we are going to relive your two hundred posts on the subject relived!!! Ugh
Most whined because you refused to let it go!! I have a feeling if people respond to you on this again we are going to relive your two hundred posts on the subject relived!!! Ugh
Make sure to give that white horse of yours a good rub down tonight. Tom and Terry are surely appreciative of you working so hard to protect them.
I remember vividly that YOU said lets wait to see what happens in march and not to put that much emphasis on how Iowa was wrestling during the year so there's that
And you are clueless as to why. It was a VERY SPECIFIC point I was making. Every year prior through their last championship, those I was arguing with, IGNORED dual results pointing ONLY to March results.
Yep. That is what I was saying, for even this past dual season, where the Anti Brands crew went nuclear. Their dual record has been absolutely outstanding and even their first “bad” dual season had them beating 2 and 3 and the team they lost to twice they beat at NCAA’s…
It was a nonsensical argument then and it still is.
It’s called “entitlement” which I have done my best to teach out of my 11 year old. It also often leads to the hypocrisy I often point out.
The only thing special about Iowa wrestling anymore is its‘ history and its’ fanbase. We are now almost 30 years removed from Gable and excellence. What program demands more from its’ fanbase than Iowa? What does the fanbase ask in return?
Demands more? What exactly do they demand more? They supply more with the Carver experience than all but maybe PSU and that took a long time and a TON of money to get there.
Entitlement my ***. Now you're just showing your true colors. You're no more a Hawkeye wrestling fan than the psu guys who post here. And worse you spend half your time trying to convince people to lower their expectations.
uhh… fans are constantly solicited for $ to fund the program, HWC, etc. Fans are asked to purchase tickets to events - a lot of duals were pretty hard to watch due to lack of aggression and trademark entertaining iowa style action.
Wanting more is always fine. Learning to level expectations while understanding how much worse something can be is the entire point. Mind you we are talking about fans that have little to NO impact on the results WHINING incessantly because top 5 every year “sucks”.
I simply don’t dig back through posts, but I am about as sure as anyone could be that you have blasted Brands on here quite a bit…
Your child is not and should not be held to the same standards as Iowa wrestling… and that is okay. Nuance is not your strong suit.
I would love for you to be able to come up with a time where I even remotely said he sucked. I have been very complimentary of his ability as a coach.
Dude, I was literally replying to someone that asked that direct question about my child. What nuance was I supposed to identify?
The 4th out of 77 is a ridiculous comparison and you know it. It's also another sure sign you know you're on the wrong side of this discussion.
The nuance in trying to hold Iowa wrestling and your child to the same or similar standards.
But to be fair, some Iowa hs teams get more fans in the seats than MSU. I’m pretty sure that’s only part of what creates the bottom feeder mentality.
Not sure what's all going on here seems weird that he wasnt with the HWC in Vegas then was this week at WTT but is still going else where? Maybe he goes to D3/NAIA?
