The Entirely Made Up Claim That Corporations Pay No Taxes

m.knox

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GREEDY COOOOORPORATIONS!!!

Remember, many on the left WANT to be lied to, and so many are willing to lie to them......

https://www.realclearmarkets.com/ar...m_that_corporations_pay_no_taxes_1182888.html

Every spring just in time for Tax Day Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders put out media releases touting a report by a liberal economic research group claiming that a long list of American companies have not paid any federal income taxes.

Their statements and the report get widespread media attention, drawing negative attention and criticism to many of America’s leading corporations. In reality, this report and the charges of widespread corporate tax evasion are totally false.

This year Senator Warren declared that “big corporations paid zero in federal income taxes.” She said U.S. corporations “cheat the system,” and “leave hardworking families holding the bag.” Senator Sanders called the findings of the report ‘a disgrace,” and the media parroted all the charges.

Politico, the AP, Newsweek, and USA Today have all covered the report. A Reuters story stated as fact that “experts find widespread corporate tax avoidance.” Fortunately there is a real financial expert who has shown how politicians and the media are using this flawed report to make false accusations against American companies.

Former Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin wrote recently that the report and its findings are “entirely made up.” He said that there is “zero, zero, zero evidence of any tax evasion or tax shenanigans in the report,” and that the report was just “a political hit job disguised as a research report.”

Holtz-Eakin, who has had a long distinguished career as an academic economist, explained that the report arrived at its conclusions by looking at companies’ public financial statements filed with the SEC and then “guessing” at their taxable income and tax liability. He pointed out that the report’s authors made the claim the companies paid no taxes without having any access at all to their tax returns, which are confidential and protected.

The report mixes financial accounting profits and taxable profits, which any tax expert would say should never be done. His advice to readers is to “never waste a second reading the report.”
 

baltimorened

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GREEDY COOOOORPORATIONS!!!

Remember, many on the left WANT to be lied to, and so many are willing to lie to them......

https://www.realclearmarkets.com/ar...m_that_corporations_pay_no_taxes_1182888.html

Every spring just in time for Tax Day Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders put out media releases touting a report by a liberal economic research group claiming that a long list of American companies have not paid any federal income taxes.

Their statements and the report get widespread media attention, drawing negative attention and criticism to many of America’s leading corporations. In reality, this report and the charges of widespread corporate tax evasion are totally false.

This year Senator Warren declared that “big corporations paid zero in federal income taxes.” She said U.S. corporations “cheat the system,” and “leave hardworking families holding the bag.” Senator Sanders called the findings of the report ‘a disgrace,” and the media parroted all the charges.

Politico, the AP, Newsweek, and USA Today have all covered the report. A Reuters story stated as fact that “experts find widespread corporate tax avoidance.” Fortunately there is a real financial expert who has shown how politicians and the media are using this flawed report to make false accusations against American companies.

Former Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin wrote recently that the report and its findings are “entirely made up.” He said that there is “zero, zero, zero evidence of any tax evasion or tax shenanigans in the report,” and that the report was just “a political hit job disguised as a research report.”

Holtz-Eakin, who has had a long distinguished career as an academic economist, explained that the report arrived at its conclusions by looking at companies’ public financial statements filed with the SEC and then “guessing” at their taxable income and tax liability. He pointed out that the report’s authors made the claim the companies paid no taxes without having any access at all to their tax returns, which are confidential and protected.

The report mixes financial accounting profits and taxable profits, which any tax expert would say should never be done. His advice to readers is to “never waste a second reading the report.”
what I've never understood is why more people don't ask Bernie and Warren why they don't get the laws changed to avoid corporations from paying zero income taxes as they claim. They're in the Senate, they can't get the votes? I don't know of a single person who does not take advantage of the deductions or credits to limit their income taxes...they follow the law.

So do corporations. If they're violating laws prosecute them. If they're following the laws, isn't that what we expect of them.

Don't blame the corporations, blame the people who make the laws
 

m.knox

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what I've never understood is why more people don't ask Bernie and Warren why they don't get the laws changed to avoid corporations from paying zero income taxes as they claim. They're in the Senate, they can't get the votes? I don't know of a single person who does not take advantage of the deductions or credits to limit their income taxes...they follow the law.

So do corporations. If they're violating laws prosecute them. If they're following the laws, isn't that what we expect of them.

Don't blame the corporations, blame the people who make the laws

Again Ned, it's demagoguery. The left loves it. I mean look at the arseclown @McLovin32 . He's all in on division and hate.

The left loves playing on the emotions of their cult members.
 
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Moral

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what I've never understood is why more people don't ask Bernie and Warren why they don't get the laws changed to avoid corporations from paying zero income taxes as they claim. They're in the Senate, they can't get the votes? I don't know of a single person who does not take advantage of the deductions or credits to limit their income taxes...they follow the law.

So do corporations. If they're violating laws prosecute them. If they're following the laws, isn't that what we expect of them.

Don't blame the corporations, blame the people who make the laws

They have both tried. However, since Citizens United the only people represented in the government are oligarchs.

Your lack of understanding is definitely a skills issue.
 

noleclone2

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I started reading the HROT MAGA posts in the Inner voice of a 5th grade boy about two years ago.

I may have to start reading the Tiger Illustrated MAGA posts in the inner voice of a 3rd grade boy.
 

baltimorened

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so I ask again, whose fault is it that corporations might not pay an income tax? I know in my case, I do my taxes via turbo tax..I put in my income, I then add my deductions, I don't get any credits and the computer spits out what my tax is. Then I pay it.

In the case of a corporation, they likely have a boatload of accountants do the same things. Now, if they are lying on either revenue or expenses, credits or whatever they should be prosecuted. But if they're following the laws, that's what we're asking them to do.

I don't know about anybody else, but I've never send more money in taxes than I owe. I wouldn't expect any body else to. I wonder if the congresswoman does.
 

baltimorened

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Here in lies the problem..........................102 billion that should be taxed, that we know about
here's the solution then, audit the companies and collect the taxes.

We hear all the time about corporations and billionaires and taxes. And there's lots of anecdotal evidence that "corporations don't pay" or "billionaires don't pay". Just going back 25 years we've had Republican administrations, Democrat ones, the mantra remains the same but neither party seems to want to do anything other than project "corporations don't pay", etc.

Either there's prosecutable evidence or there isn't.
 

fsu1jreed

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here's the solution then, audit the companies and collect the taxes.

We hear all the time about corporations and billionaires and taxes. And there's lots of anecdotal evidence that "corporations don't pay" or "billionaires don't pay". Just going back 25 years we've had Republican administrations, Democrat ones, the mantra remains the same but neither party seems to want to do anything other than project "corporations don't pay", etc.

Either there's prosecutable evidence or there isn't.

I was going off your premise that it's all legal............and you know damn well if it was illegal, all these companies would pay is a fine amounting a few million dollars per company, IF THAT, especially with this administration
 
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so I ask again, whose fault is it that corporations might not pay an income tax? I know in my case, I do my taxes via turbo tax..I put in my income, I then add my deductions, I don't get any credits and the computer spits out what my tax is. Then I pay it.

In the case of a corporation, they likely have a boatload of accountants do the same things. Now, if they are lying on either revenue or expenses, credits or whatever they should be prosecuted. But if they're following the laws, that's what we're asking them to do.

I don't know about anybody else, but I've never send more money in taxes than I owe. I wouldn't expect any body else to. I wonder if the congresswoman does.
Republicans supported by people like you. That's who is at fault for making sure rich people have every loophole in the book.
 

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what I've never understood is why more people don't ask Bernie and Warren why they don't get the laws changed to avoid corporations from paying zero income taxes as they claim. They're in the Senate, they can't get the votes? I don't know of a single person who does not take advantage of the deductions or credits to limit their income taxes...they follow the law.

So do corporations. If they're violating laws prosecute them. If they're following the laws, isn't that what we expect of them.

Don't blame the corporations, blame the people who make the laws
The GOP passed tax law changes in 2018 without any dem votes....that reduced tax rates on corp and accelerated depreciation write-offs .

And then GOP went back to make more corp friendly changes last year without dem votes.

So yes, it's the people taking corp money to vote to reduce taxes on those corps are to blame, as well as the man signing those bills into law.
Trump and his GOP cronies are to blame...I agree with you.
Just because the party in power is welcoming bribes from corp to do their bidding does not mean that corps need to go ahead and legally bribe them but their shareholders would probably sue them if they hurt their share values by not bribing the GOP and trump.
 
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Huey Grey 2

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The GOP passed tax law changes in 2018 without any dem votes....that reduced tax rates on corp and accelerated depreciation write-offs .

And then GOP went back to make more corp friendly changes last year without dem votes.

So yes, it's the people taking corp money to vote to reduce taxes on those corps are to blame, as well as the man signing those bills into law.
Trump and his GOP cronies are to blame...I agree with you.
Just because the party in power is welcoming bribes from corp to do their bidding does not mean that corps need to go ahead and legally bribe them but their shareholders would probably sue them if they hurt their share values by not bribing the GOP and trump.
The irritating part is he already knows this. He knows rich tax cuts are the priority of the GOP yet he plays this stupid game that both sides are to blame.
 
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baltimorened

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I was going off your premise that it's all legal............and you know damn well if it was illegal, all these companies would pay is a fine amounting a few million dollars per company, IF THAT, especially with this administration
maybe, but at least we will have collected the taxes and fines. That's what happens if you and I are audited. If at the end the government determines you have underpaid, you pay the tax, interest and fines . Corporations shouldn't receive any different treatment

Our system is so complicated that it's easy to make mistakes or to cover up mistakes. That's why, I I were king, I'd have a really professional department overseeing where the big money is - those earning over a $1m, corporations etc, and invest in software that can pick up errors on the "little guys" using turbo tax, HR block etc.....I'm not saying the IRS is inefficient or ineffective, I don't think they are, but they're not as effective as they could be.

I personally would just to move on from this constant "they're not paying their fare share or corporations aren't paying taxes". Do something about it.
 

baltimorened

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The GOP passed tax law changes in 2018 without any dem votes....that reduced tax rates on corp and accelerated depreciation write-offs .

And then GOP went back to make more corp friendly changes last year without dem votes.

So yes, it's the people taking corp money to vote to reduce taxes on those corps are to blame, as well as the man signing those bills into law.
Trump and his GOP cronies are to blame...I agree with you.
Just because the party in power is welcoming bribes from corp to do their bidding does not mean that corps need to go ahead and legally bribe them but their shareholders would probably sue them if they hurt their share values by not bribing the GOP and trump.
I's accept everything you posted, but recognize that democrats get as much money, sometimes more, from the same corporations you're accusing of bribing republicans. Most corporations play both sides.
 

nytigerfan

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so I ask again, whose fault is it that corporations might not pay an income tax? I know in my case, I do my taxes via turbo tax..I put in my income, I then add my deductions, I don't get any credits and the computer spits out what my tax is. Then I pay it.

In the case of a corporation, they likely have a boatload of accountants do the same things. Now, if they are lying on either revenue or expenses, credits or whatever they should be prosecuted. But if they're following the laws, that's what we're asking them to do.

I don't know about anybody else, but I've never send more money in taxes than I owe. I wouldn't expect any body else to. I wonder if the congresswoman does.

ned, you know better. Whenever the left brings up more taxation and corporations or let’s say hires more IRS agents to go after corporations the right pushes back. They either fire said IRS agents or they say if we tax these companies they’re gonna move somewhere else come on dadned, you know better. Whenever the left brings up more taxation and corporations or let’s say hires more IRS agents to go after corporations the right pushes back. They either fire said IRS agents or they say if we tax these companies they’re gonna move somewhere else. The left has tried and the right has fought it.

Do better, Ned
 

baltimorened

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ned, you know better. Whenever the left brings up more taxation and corporations or let’s say hires more IRS agents to go after corporations the right pushes back. They either fire said IRS agents or they say if we tax these companies they’re gonna move somewhere else come on dadned, you know better. Whenever the left brings up more taxation and corporations or let’s say hires more IRS agents to go after corporations the right pushes back. They either fire said IRS agents or they say if we tax these companies they’re gonna move somewhere else. The left has tried and the right has fought it.

Do better, Ned
I understand everything you say..and I don't disagree..in reality the party in power gets to push through the tax laws and changes they want...we can all agree with that. And, while I have no idea of what provisions in the latest law are that benefit business, I totally accept that there are some....But, here's the thing, IMO, the democrats had control of the government for 2 years during the Biden admin and we had the same "corporations pay no Tax" mantra, they could have changed whatever they wanted, changed any loopholes and they didn't.

When democrats are in power, they don't seem to care much about the pushes from the right on other issues, why be concerned about this one.

So, I'm clear, I'm not pushing for either party. I think it's all a political game, in fact, I've played it, so I know it is. Democrats are just as beholding to corporations as are republicans. The party leaders set the tone, count the votes and then determine which direction to go. If Tax laws aren't changed that tells me the leader in power (speaker of the house majority leader in the Senate,) don't have the votes - both parties. Most corporations play both sides, by the way.

So, why don't the biggest, loudest elected official get the tax laws changed? Because the majority of republicans AND democrats don't want it changed. How many campaigns have there been over the years when candidates call out the billionaires and corporations and how they, the candidates, are going to make sure they pay their fair shair, yada, yada....and yet here we are.

Oh, and hiring more IRS agents may be a key, or maybe not. Reviewing tax forms - the majority can be done via AI (industry is doing it) so you need fewer in the department reviewing us "little guys". Then put more in the dept reviewing corporations. If you need more, hire more. Now you might be 100% right about laying off IRS employees and it certainly seems as if it was random - and I haven't gotten my refund yet - if it was done in error, hopefully someone in power is smart enough to correct the error.

In any case, everyone to include corporations and billionaires should be paying the taxes as per the tax codes, and the government should enforce the laws without exception
 

fsu1jreed

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maybe, but at least we will have collected the taxes and fines. That's what happens if you and I are audited. If at the end the government determines you have underpaid, you pay the tax, interest and fines . Corporations shouldn't receive any different treatment

Our system is so complicated that it's easy to make mistakes or to cover up mistakes. That's why, I I were king, I'd have a really professional department overseeing where the big money is - those earning over a $1m, corporations etc, and invest in software that can pick up errors on the "little guys" using turbo tax, HR block etc.....I'm not saying the IRS is inefficient or ineffective, I don't think they are, but they're not as effective as they could be.

I personally would just to move on from this constant "they're not paying their fare share or corporations aren't paying taxes". Do something about it.

You really think they will be audited in the first place...........with this administration? Remember all those IRS guys DOGE laid off?
 

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Also OP - 50% of Americans pay no taxes! They are leeches on society!
Please, please, don't retreat to that idiotic canard. That 50% pays property taxes and sales taxes and FICA taxes and gas taxes and use taxes and a myriad of other taxes to the point that some in that 50% pay a higher effective tax rate on their income than people in the top 5%.
 

scotchtiger

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Please, please, don't retreat to that idiotic canard. That 50% pays property taxes and sales taxes and FICA taxes and gas taxes and use taxes and a myriad of other taxes to the point that some in that 50% pay a higher effective tax rate on their income than people in the top 5%.

Walk me through the math here on the bottom 50%. Because as someone in the top 5%, I pay an overall effective rate in excess of 40% with the taxes you listed. Probably a fair bit more actually.
 

baltimorened

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You really think they will be audited in the first place...........with this administration? Remember all those IRS guys DOGE laid off?
I remember, but they still have over 95,000 employees. Surely they can find a couple for audits. Remember also that this debate about corporations and taxes has been going on for decades through both Republican and democrats