Do you think China should be allowed to sell cars to the USA?
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Well, it should be a pretty simple answer, are you a capitalist or not? If so, that answer is a solid yes. Now IMHO, those cars should be subject to tarrifs to protect the US Auto Market from cheap, crappy imports, but only within reason.
I think they should have to meet our standards and that there shouldn't be any spying concerns but otherwise why not.
True story, I was talking to a new client circa late 2021 and she was telling me how Covid is spread in public bathrooms so she carried a 5 gallon bucket in her van and would shid in it at work and then cover it in sawdust and dispose of it when she got home.
This was like... September and I remember it was like 100 degrees out.
i'm not sure the current crop of Chinese cars would be crappy imports. From what I've read they're pretty good and significantly cheaper
I read that the CEO of Ford went over and road tested some EVs and was completely blown away by them.
What should happen is a Ford/Chinese EV collaboration - the way two smaller breweries get together and make the same beer at their respective breweries.
No, but I think it needs to be coupled with a plan to get America onto fuel efficient cars (emphasis on cars) that are lightweight and compact. There’s no reason we can’t maintain competitiveness, satisfy the need to build in the US, use less resources, etc at the same time but that requires a direction different than half of the country buying monster trucks for no practical reason.
Yes. Maybe they will over smaller cheaper plugin hybrid or all electric options.
big 3 sure can’t. Every time they try we end up with a $100k thing that gets dick for range.
big 3 sure can’t. Every time they try we end up with a $100k thing that gets dick for range.
if they had permitted our ******** ie google, amazon, facebook and also our banks to operate in there all these years i would say sure why not. in other words, from a product competition standpoint i have zero issues. that said i don't want a single chinese car here because they have closed their markets to us all these years while stealing every bit of our tech. it would be stupid to give them carte blanche when they bend us over.
all this buzz about their evs being great is bs imo. all you see are slick ai videos and paid podcasts, where are the real world long term users and results? i think their cars might be cheaper and glitzy but ultimately ******.
all this buzz about their evs being great is bs imo. all you see are slick ai videos and paid podcasts, where are the real world long term users and results? i think their cars might be cheaper and glitzy but ultimately ******.
A plugin or all electric ford Maverick would seem to make sense. Instead Ford does the $100k F150 with bad advertised range and even worse real world numbers.
IF so then you start getting into complex territory.
Think back to the late 70s, early 80s when Japan started importing cars into the US. Honda and Toyota lead the pack with cars that were MUCH MUCH better designed than the US Industry was putting out AND cheaper to boot. Crysler damn near went bankrupt and had to get bailed out by the government and Ford and GM damn near did as well.
This was a case of the US Carmakers being lazy and putting out a poor product. It took them a while to catch up, but they did. Now we are looking at something similar with Chinese cars. I do think that competition is a good thing, BUT you also have a captive workforce in China that doesn't get paid NEARLY as well. That's what could be an insurmountable advantage and this is a compelling argument for tarrifs. At the same time, we should carefully look at the US Automakers for signs that they are complacent again.
American manufacturers will never be able to compete on cost with the Chinese IMO. You can bet that the lobbyists, and members of Congress for the auto companies and all of their subcontractors would be working overtime to either keep the Chinese out (preferable)
it to have tariffs so high that the imports would be substantially higher in cost.
And you're 100% right both about the Toyotas and Hondas in the 70s...you forgot the VW's in the 60s. You could buy a beetle for just about $1500, good dependability and gas mileage. I traded mine in on a 1970 Toyota Corolla which had more space, better engine and more amenities. Ah, those were the days....McDonalds burgers for $.15
Need to see a pic so I know if I should be grossed out or turned on
no government Republican or democrat would survive the chaos resulting from layoffs in the auto industry if consumers started buying $25,000 Chinese cars instead of $50,000 American ones. The government will keep backing them for as long as necessary in any way to keep those jobs.
Purely from a consumer/capitalism perspective, yes. Practically, no. Would destroy our current market. But wouldn’t it be ironic for this administration to kill all the green energy initiatives only to allow Chinese EVs to be sold here further wrecking our economy. That is so backwards that it is on brand for trump and his dumb@ss troupe of MAGAs. I now fully expect this to happen in the next two quarters.
We're right back where we were in the 70's. US manufacturers were producing heavy gas guzzlers when the shortages hit. The apocryphal story is that auto execs were meeting in a room to hear the new US mandates for mileage. The US execs said they couldn't even build a car that could meet that. The Japanese execs said they drove to the meeting in a car that already did. Then Japan proceeded to dominate the US market while US manufacturers scrambled to catch up.
Our people want to build monster trucks and bus-sized SUVs because they make a lot of money per unit. The Chinese will come over with a reliable, long-range EV and dominate the US market just like the Japanese manufacturers did while our domestic manufacturers - now including the Japanese - stand around holding their dicks trying to figure out what happened. Again.
Bring them on.
Our people want to build monster trucks and bus-sized SUVs because they make a lot of money per unit. The Chinese will come over with a reliable, long-range EV and dominate the US market just like the Japanese manufacturers did while our domestic manufacturers - now including the Japanese - stand around holding their dicks trying to figure out what happened. Again.
Bring them on.
I consider myself a fan of capitalism and free markets in general, but I don’t think opening our markets to Chinese EVs would really be free market economics. China operates on such a unique model of economics, it would be very short sided and bad for us in the long run imho
China’s economy isn’t doing so great because they’re prioritizing security and technology, I don’t think it’s good to throw them a bone here.
Last but not least, cars are essentially computers on wheels now, and if our government has concerns about foreign countries using Chinese telecommunications networks then I doubt these vehicles would be “safe” from that perspective.
And with all of that said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump’s administration allows/gets this to happen…
China’s economy isn’t doing so great because they’re prioritizing security and technology, I don’t think it’s good to throw them a bone here.
Last but not least, cars are essentially computers on wheels now, and if our government has concerns about foreign countries using Chinese telecommunications networks then I doubt these vehicles would be “safe” from that perspective.
And with all of that said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump’s administration allows/gets this to happen…
It’s Americans right to buy ****** made Chinese crap. Just like it should be your right to marry whomever you’d like, have an abortion, smoke weed and vote without fear…amongst many other things that is trying to be suppressed by the gespato.
also we need as many EVs as we can get because the gas/oil market is ****** for the foreseeable future.
also we need as many EVs as we can get because the gas/oil market is ****** for the foreseeable future.