It is really sad what Toyota did to their truck line. The TT V6 Tundra has been basically a fire hazard on wheels. I rented the TT V4 Tacoma last fall for a multi-day trip. The interior felt cheap and plastic and the engine had a high-pitched whine that was more appropriate for a Carolla.
Honda posts first annual loss in 69 years
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I bought a 2013 Tacoma from a friend because he wanted a new one. He called me two days after getting his new truck asking if he could buy his old one back.
Yep. We're right back to the early 70s when it was pretty common for a car to use a quart of oil every 1,000 miles.
Wasn't the problem piss poor transmissions?
Taking the gas mower out of the US market while continuing to sell them in Europe is a head scratcher. I thought it would've been the opposite. Reading the specs of the new electric mower, the battery only has 30-45 minutes of run-time. Why would anyone except a person with a very small lawn want that?! Plus, the batteries are going to lose their runtime over the years due to degradation.
It's as if large vehicle manufacturers were trying to commit corporate suicide before they started to come to their senses a little.
Love my Ridgeline. Had a full size Chevy and Nissan in the past for towing 6-7k. No longer tow so I downsized since I live in the burbs and also do a good bit of city driving. Turns out it has more payload than either of them. I know it's unibody and therefore "not a real truck" but I probably use mine as a truck more than the folks I see driving heavy duty trucks out here in suburbia. Rides well on snow and ice as well. Even has a trunk with a drain in the bed that will secure my golf clubs. I wouldn't use it for anything more than light off-roading though.
I considered a Tacoma but 1) bigger than what I wanted, 2) too expensive, 3) didn't want a turbo 4 this early in their lifecycle. Seemed like changing for sake of changing.
When one of my daughters bought her one and only Honda, her salesman tried to tell me that the Ridgeline would off road as well or better than my Taco TRD. Never been back to a Honda dealership since.
ETA- This was over ten years ago. My Taco isn't a new one.
Yeah that's ridiculous. It's AWD for slippery conditions. And it's a good AWD system but that doesn't mean it's a solid off roader line a Taco. It's not 4WD for the mud, deep ruts, etc. Would probably handle sand well if you deflate the tires right.
OR THE 17'ING AUTO-STOP FEATURE THAT HAS TO CRANK MY 17'ING TRUCK BACK UP AT EVERY 17'ING STOP SIGN.
It’s not necessarily that those Chevrolet and GM trucks are reliable because that era of trucks has some issues but they’re very easy to work on and change out motors and transmissions. The guys that work for us can change out a motor and transmission in those Chevrolet trucks in less than half a day.
Now do the math for EV’s over that same time, including the time value of money for the purchase price difference.
Had a '02 Frontier for over 15 years. Still the best vehicle I ever owned. I think the quality issues people refer to started happening around '08 and hinge around the CRT transmission that apparently sucked.
That's my understanding of the problem too. But mine had the CRT and zero problems at all. I guess I got lucky. I did run into a guy who worked at the plant in Canton that built the car. When I told him I had the 2012 Altima, he just smiled and said yeah that was a really good year.
At least you were only going to have to add about 50 quarts since it would be in the junkyard at 50,000.
That was true of the older Altimas. The new ones, with CVT transmissions, not so much. My wife had a 2016. The transmission crapped out at 80400 miles. Guess when the warranty expired? 80K. After some haggling and a letter from an attorney, Nissan agreed to split the cost. Theyll never get another dime from me.
I get the feeling that the US will cling to IC until we are forced to drive 50 year old gas burners while the other 5 billion people on earth are driving Chinese EVs.
Those two companies used Jewish and Prisoners of War as slave laborers during the Nazi years. When you drive a Volkswagen, you are driving Hitler's people's car.
https://clip.cafe/share/hey-hey-you
one of my favorite BOB clips. "hey you!, yea you! that's right you stupid kraut bastard you!.. Say hello to Ford and general 17'in motors"
It's wild to me they didn't even change names and became one of the best selling cars in the USA by the 60s. And meanwhile I certainly recall older folks into the 90s who wouldn't consider a Japanese car. I guess the Camry and Accord became best sellers in the mid/late 90s?
yea, it's an interesting dynamic.
I will say that the german automakers were already well known whereas the japanese automakers had alot of catching up to do.
Also, there's always a bit of a racial impact. Even though we all know the nazis were evil bastards the german people were still obviously white/european and the far east/japanese culture doesn't resonate with americans as much. We thought the japanese as beneath us (likewise they thought the same of us).
All that said I did know an old ww2 vet growing up in my town that wouldn't buy a german or japanese car so I'm sure it hurt both of them but the germans had a big head start as far as global perception, manufacturing experience etc.
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This has to be propaganda or he’s only talking about looks because it’s absolutely amazing everytime you get out on the road and go to town today how many CRVs from the mid 90s are STILL on the road.
No joy over it from me, but I do feel a little bit of vindication. When some of these companies started announcing EV production plans, I knew it was not realistic. General Motors was the worst - 50% EV production by 2030 and 100% by 2035. You did not need a Harvard MBA to know there was no realistic chance of meeting those goals or being profitable. Sure enough, GM wrote off about $6 Billion in January of this year. I don't understand how anyone thought that would work, with all of the Ivy League eggheads in that C-Suite.
This is the one thing I absolutely hate about our 2023 Subaru Crosstrek.
I swear I am going to be stranded someday had an intersection because the car will fail to start back up.
There is a lot of odd joy in this thread.
One manufacturer pivoting on its EV plans is not evidence of anything beyond the very well documented reality that the manufacturer has struggled with implementing EVs into its lineup.
- 20% of global vehicles sales are EV. Honda just locked themselves out of 20% of sales. If they are good with that, so be it.
- Honda focusing on hybrids makes good sense if they are wanting to focus on the coming 5 to 10 years.
- Manufacturers having 2 or 3 good EVs in their lineup helps them compete for a market that very much exists. It's no different from having 2 or 3 AWD vehicles or having a good truck option.
- Just because an EV wouldn't work got you and your situation doesn't mean EVs as a market are bad/dumb.
^ It seems like this should be a sticky atop this message board, given the frequency that many posters seem to fall back to that line of thinking.
One manufacturer pivoting on its EV plans is not evidence of anything beyond the very well documented reality that the manufacturer has struggled with implementing EVs into its lineup.
- 20% of global vehicles sales are EV. Honda just locked themselves out of 20% of sales. If they are good with that, so be it.
- Honda focusing on hybrids makes good sense if they are wanting to focus on the coming 5 to 10 years.
- Manufacturers having 2 or 3 good EVs in their lineup helps them compete for a market that very much exists. It's no different from having 2 or 3 AWD vehicles or having a good truck option.
- Just because an EV wouldn't work got you and your situation doesn't mean EVs as a market are bad/dumb.
^ It seems like this should be a sticky atop this message board, given the frequency that many posters seem to fall back to that line of thinking.
Have you seen the new 2 row Passports? Fire!! I have a 22 and a 23 Passport. Had a 17 and 23 Ridgeline. We have had 2 Pilots.
We are looking at EVs right now.
Subaru Trailseeker and Hyundai Ioniq 5 are the two leading candidates right now.
Trailseeker is probably what we will buy.
Others have been eliminated because or appearance or price or stupidly big infotainment screen that controls everything.
A VW was eliminated because it only had 2 window button controls for the driver. You couldn't control the rear windows.
- It won't save the climate. We aren't trying to save the climate.
- It won't be less expensive in total vs a used subcompact ICE. We aren't trying to buy the least expensive vehicle possible.
We just want one out that has versatility for what we need in a family vehicle, and has comparable features and safety to other vehicles(EV and ICE) in that expected total cost of ownership price range.
Subaru Trailseeker and Hyundai Ioniq 5 are the two leading candidates right now.
Trailseeker is probably what we will buy.
Others have been eliminated because or appearance or price or stupidly big infotainment screen that controls everything.
A VW was eliminated because it only had 2 window button controls for the driver. You couldn't control the rear windows.
- It won't save the climate. We aren't trying to save the climate.
- It won't be less expensive in total vs a used subcompact ICE. We aren't trying to buy the least expensive vehicle possible.
We just want one out that has versatility for what we need in a family vehicle, and has comparable features and safety to other vehicles(EV and ICE) in that expected total cost of ownership price range.
They did pay millions in reparations to the survivors and families of those who died. I think they did a good job at keeping it quiet.
- IF (emphasis mine) 20% of global sales are EVs, excellent! Let them 17 themselves.
- Anyone “focusing” on hybrids are 17’in idiots
- This isn’t an attempt at diversity, hoss
- No, the EV market isn’t dumb. It’s incredibly, 17’in dumb. Ask Ford about Elizabethtown, KY.
I apologize if you have Down’s. Otherwise, you are likely voting for AOC in the next election…which also means you’re on a spectrum somewhere. Get a diagnosis and a prescription. My forefathers were forced to take action against such people.
Having 20+ years both the electrical/power and environmental worlds, I can tell you that capitalism/common sense will reign supreme. The environmental
is led by people like yourself demanding quotas and U.S. regulations while the rest of the world (China) is preparing for war. You have zero clue about the politics and horse behind climate change and the capabilities of our grid or how it works.Merry May 14th to you and your stupidity.
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Point on the doll where the EV touched you.- IF (emphasis mine) 20% of global sales are EVs, excellent! Let them 17 themselves.
- Anyone “focusing” on hybrids are 17’in idiots
- This isn’t an attempt at diversity, hoss
- No, the EV market isn’t dumb. It’s incredibly, 17’in dumb. Ask Ford about Elizabethtown, KY.
I apologize if you have Down’s. Otherwise, you are likely voting for AOC in the next election…which also means you’re on a spectrum somewhere. Get a diagnosis and a prescription. My forefathers were forced to take action against such people.
Having 20+ years both the electrical/power and environmental worlds, I can tell you that capitalism/common sense will reign supreme. The environmental
Merry May 14th to you and your stupidity.