bench players on a cal team would be mark popes best players in his coaching career is goingThey were pretty good players coming off the bench.
With Cal, UK was at least part of the story (recruiting/draft). Feels like we're starving now on all fronts.
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Yea it was awhile ago. I was just saying. I can't stand people putting Pope and Cal next to each other. Comparing what is Popes peak to Cal on his way out the door. Cal likely retires in the next few years. Cal has taken multiple teams to the final four. Has a championship. Is a hall of famer. Yea he got lazy at the end and we grew tired of him. But when people compare these last two years it's hilarious.
Well… I mean. Maybe “starving” isn’t the right word but…can you list or name off the talented recruits that have be recruited and landed coming out of High School?
OR explain why we seem to have difficulty landing top level portal guys?
Not really tho? Previous poster said “compete for a title every other year”. That can mean something totally different.
Most of them imo. All of Oscars years. Even the Nit year if we don't lose nerlens we had an exciting team. Exciting players. I don't remember Cal flying to Israel for a dude that thinks he's weird. Come on man yea we can go back and forth about if they were title teams or not but I didn't even mean literally. I said teams that had a chance.
We know Pope doesn't have a chance. Even year one if he didn't have injuries Pope doesnt sniff a chance. He's here wasting everybody's damn time.
Also let's end this. Cal literally just won the SEC championship while we were the ninth seed. Yea yea yea he had an easy path. He still has to win his games. Is the SEC stronger than ever when we lose or is it easy when Cal wins???
I'm not talking about you but we have several agenda pushers that aren't realistic.
They aren't dead literally. There's a chance we hire a coach and get brought back to life. Pope won't be the guy to do that tho.
What a troll take huh? Everything I say huh? Not a Kentucky fan wanting a different coach to bring us back to the top. Not a UK fan mad that we are eating time with a dud coach. Wanting to extend Pope forever would be a lot better wouldn't it. Finishing "tied for seventh" is what we need to celebrate and "hope" tha Pope can do better.
Yes I'm such a troll. Andy still got your panties in a wad I see.
Not sure what you get Bro, just speaking for myself. I didn't want to hire Pope and called for his head after year two and somehow that equates to being a Pope Slurper and knowing what he tastes like lol
And really it did lock him in and there was nothing to do about it until he breached his contract. He did that on purpose tho. He was done with UK. He wanted to go somewhere his demands were met for the most part.
That's great.... Why? Like, I know you kinda explain it below, but like... Why? Weak reasoning, IMO.
Cal and Pope have the exact same NCAAT record the last two years, btw. At least Cal is still bringing in top classes tho, right?
I mean if you cant see one is more likely to do better in the future compared to the other based on recruiting and prior success, I don't know what to tell ya lol.
Don't think we would sniff another Final Four with either Cal or Pope
Not propping Pope but wasn't that the team that had a 1st round SECT loss to TA&M & 1st round NCAAT loss to Oakland? Pure failure.
Yes, you are right. But this is EXACTLY what the OP is talking about. Because right now we are at frustration, frustration, desperation, frustration, desperation, frustration, desperation, frustration then back to frustration and desperation.
You seem to be confused and have me figured all wrong. It sounds like I am lot more on the give Pope a chance side of the ledger than you are.
I hate that we are considered not Kentucky fans when we aren’t happy with 22-14 or 24-12. I think they should go cheer for Boston college or some team similar if they want those results.Me wanting good players and entertaining basketball again means I should be an arkansas fan?
I’m not disagreeing with you. But I would also say, mark pope has gone to his last sweet 16. Ever. Book this and mark it down.
Eh, im not one of those fans that tune everything out until march
Wed all be miserable if we did that
You don't need to be happy about it but I back my team through thick and thin and sometimes exercising a little patience is the right move. I would expect Kentucky fan's to at least root for Ky at all times. We actually had "fans" declaring they wanted us to lose out last season with dreams of firing everyone involved. Things like schedule and injuries do matter as well. Giving things a chance to improve does not mean I'm happy with 22-14 or 24-12.
Right if Sahvir wheeler and Aaron Bradshaw was healthy, Calipari would have 2 more championships, right? Injuries matter, right? If big Z was eligible, championship, right. Cal gets these BS excuses too, right?
Dear Lord I pray t the heavens that we don't have to see Pope 15 years. Also Cal had us the most popular school in the history of basketball and thats without winning a championship. John wall and Boogie lit up college ball like the fab five.
I don't need a championship every year. Elite eights and final fours were fun. Having number one picks were fun. Winning tha championship in what his third year was fun.
Yea let's compare Pope and cals first two years Mr cowboy. Mr asteroid is heading for Earth but you're still sun tanning by the pool.
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That is no where close to what I said now is it? I really don't know what point you are trying to make here. I never mentioned anything about Cal.
Perhaps some of us fans don't give a rats rectum about spotlights and future NBA stars and 5 star recruits. Some of us care about winning big games, SEC titles and going to the FF and maybe winning a title. Cal stopped doing that FOR A WHILE at the end of his tenure so adios. I expect Pope to produce results. He hasn't so far and if he doesn't soon he will need to depart as well. All these fond reminiscing about the beauty of the Cal era and the price we pay for " running him off" might play well for some of you guys but some of us think its BS. It ain't about hype ot stars or NBA , at Kentucky its about winning and Cal stopped doing it.
Yea I actually do believe that. He still got to go to the green room and watch his draft picks. Guy didn't care about UK at the end. Reed Sheppard wearing high gear. Can you not see the obvious?
Cal wanted out and got the hell out. I don't blame him. Do you see what our leaders are doing to the basketball program? Think a hall of famer is going to put up with that? He can go to Arkansas and win the SEC championship.
The point is, injuries happen to every team, every year, it’s a bs excuse. Michigan had injuries this year. UConn had injuries this year. It’s a bs excuse. Nothing more.
And I would be happy with that. I don't hate Pope. I want him to win. If he wins then that's his job. Gets a good team to get excited about that his job. I would be happy if we kick some butt this year.
Final fours elite eights top picks. Beng talked about every single day. Being front page ESPN every day. Come on man it was fun. His time came to an end but it was fun
Anot, I'm not tryng to just argue with you, and it's not important now. But Calipari was forced out. I know some are desperate to try to spin it as though Calipari left of his own accord for some reason — because he was done with UK, UK wouldn’t meet his demands, or some other rationalizing nonsense — but that’s contrary to everything credible that’s been reported about the situation that I’ve seen. And it truly gives me no consternation to freely admit that Calipari was forced out, run off, kicked to the curb, or whatever other colloquial term anyone wants to use. In fact, it’s at least one thing I appreciate Barnhart for having the guts to do.
Calipari negotiating with other schools in ways that may have technically breached his contract is something I’d guess he had done to varying degrees a number of times before. But once specific information (i.e., non-rumor) came to Barnhart’s attention, UK’s lawyers were able to advise him that he had a golden opportunity to rid himself of the albatross of the lifetime contract debacle that Barnhart himself had created. I was happy as a lark that day — and I liked Calipari personally.
1&D was weak as hell even when Cal was executing it flawlessly – and that was before CBB was inundated with guys who'd otherwise be overseas, in the G-League, and even in the NBA.
There's a reason he's had however many dozen top five classes and has one championship to his name.
Freshmen are getting pummeled by experienced talent and then they leave after a year for a better bag and more playing time if they don't move on to the NBA.
Doesn't seem like a system that relies as heavily on HS recruiting as it once did, and seems like a system where experienced talent means a lot more.
Get real man. Trying to act like the level of injuries we have endured the last two seasons is just normal is ridiculous. The two most difficult rated schedules in school history also make a difference no matter what your agenda makes you want to believe.
Dude you can literally disagree with me on anything. It's completely respectable to disagree then state why. And when I read what you said it makes sense and definitely you could be right.
I'm not a troll. I like disagreement and explanation. That's why I come here. Thank you for disagreeing and explaining why instead of just attacking me.
What you said makes complete sense. I just kind of think he was careless on purpose and went where he wanted to go while also wanting it to look like we pushed him out so we are the bad guys and not him for completely stinking it up his last few years.
Then you have the ex UK players hating on us. We have weird vibes around the program. We get stuck with Pope which isnt Cals fault but when your program takes a reputation nose dive Pope is maybe the worst person possible to try and keep us afloat. Young people aren't taking us serious right now. That's a real problem when we supposedly had more money than anybody.
I for one think Cal seen the major issues and snuck his way out. Like oooooops I accidentally got caught talking to Arkansas...can I please keep my job Barnhart
wink wink pretty please? I promise I'm not trying to go to another sec school and kick y'all's butt.I’m being real. Maybe take off the blue tinted glasses. Maybe don’t recruit injury proned players. Maybe don’t recruit players that have torn acl’s.
I think with NIL you are seeing some continuity with Cal at Arkansas. His teams at UK that did well all had upper classman playing big roles.
And UK got rid of Cal.... Why? Like, I know you kinda explain it below, but like... Why? Weak reasoning, IMO.
Cal and Pope have the exact same NCAAT record the last two years, btw. At least Cal is still bringing in top classes tho, right?
I don't know about anyone else but I would almost rather have the awesome recruiting and have hope and be disappointed than where we are now with the abysmal recruiting and not having hope. Although, in all fairness, this does make it easy to tune out of Kentucky basketball this year and not waste my time or get invested.
You're being a whiner is what you are doing. He recruited one guy who had surgery for an ACL. All reasonable expectations had him back in time to be effective come tournament time and he could have been a real difference maker. Other legit teams were also plenty willing to take that gamble on Quaintance. You continue to just ignore the fact about schedules as well.
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we had the 14th hardest schedule this past season. We went 22-14. For reference Florida had the 16th hardest schedule and went 27-8. If pope went 27-8, we probably aren’t having this discussion. It’s a bull shot excuse and it needs to ******* stop. Hold the ******** coach accountable FFS.
Florida was obviously a lot better than us last season. That was never up for debate though it would have been a lot closer had Lowe and JQ been healthy by the time we played them. We had the second most difficult schedule (rated12.96) in school history according to the unbiased Sports Reference site. We have had a difficulty rating above eleven 7 times and we have had double digit losses every time.
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Florida was obviously a lot better than us last season. That was never up for debate though it would have been a lot closer had Lowe and JQ been healthy by the time we played them. We had the second most difficult schedule (rated12.96) in school history according to the unbiased Sports Reference site. We have had a difficulty rating above eleven 7 times and we have had double digit losses every time.
Kentucky Wildcats Men's Basketball Index | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Check out the Kentucky Wildcats College Basketball History, Stats, Records, Polls, Leaders and More College Basketball Stats at Sports-Reference.com
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This has no bearing on my point. I did look it over. Did you look over the link I provided?
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