Why doesn’t Dudy Noble give us a home advantage?

patdog

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So you are saying we have home field advantage but just not in the finite period discussed?
So you are saying i can't cherry pick two outliers from Tenn to prove a point but you can cherry pick 21 to 26 to prove one?
Inconsistent much?

You are making my point for me.

Our home field advantage looks bad in 21 to 26 years b/c we sucked.
Tennessees looks good bc they were good and had two incredibly easy years with home schedules.

I'm not saying dudy noble is some incredible home field advantage. I'm saying home field advantage in baseball isn't really that big of a deal at Tenn or MSU.

I'm right.
No. We legitimately have not had a home field advantage for the period 2021-2026. The numbers don't lie. Heck. We don't suck this year and we're 7-8 at home and 8-4 on the road. If you want to look at home field advantage for the period 2010-2025, you have to look at both home and road records. It's possible we had a home field advantage those in the 2010s, or it may just be that we won a lot of home games and won a lot of road games too.
 

paindonthurt

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No. We legitimately have not had a home field advantage for the period 2021-2026. The numbers don't lie. Heck. We don't suck this year and we're 7-8 at home and 8-4 on the road. If you want to look at home field advantage for the period 2010-2025, you have to look at both home and road records. It's possible we had a home field advantage those in the 2010s, or it may just be that we won a lot of home games and won a lot of road games too.
This was the original question.

"Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines"?"
He supported that by showing 21 to 26 which is a terrible argument to support Dudy Noble is "overly-friendly confines".

Has MSU had home field advantage specifically from 21 to 26? Not really but we've sucked everywhere consistently.
Does MSU have historical homefield advantage? Yes but we've been good everywhere consistently.

Does Tenn have home field advantage from 21 to 26? Yes but theyve been consistently good everywhere during that time.
Does Tenn have historical homefield advantage? Not really but historically they've been slightly consistent with that.
 

paindonthurt

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It interesting to look at massive sample sizes on this for an expectation:

Yankees - 57% historical winning % with a 62% winning % at Yankee Stadium

Red Sox - 51% historical winning % with a 56% winning % at Fenway

Dodgers - 53% historical winning % with a 54% winning % at Dodger Stadium
I would imagine most places look very similar to this if you started looking at them all!!

Most teams are gonna win more at home but its not some superior advantage like in football (at least i think).

I bet if you compare homefield in mlb to nfl its a much bigger advantage in the nfl vs MLB.

Same with college baseball and college football.
 

patdog

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This was the original question.

"Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines"?"
He supported that by showing 21 to 26 which is a terrible argument to support Dudy Noble is "overly-friendly confines".

Has MSU had home field advantage specifically from 21 to 26? Not really but we've sucked everywhere consistently.
Does MSU have historical homefield advantage? Yes but we've been good everywhere consistently.

Does Tenn have home field advantage from 21 to 26? Yes but theyve been consistently good everywhere during that time.
Does Tenn have historical homefield advantage? Not really but historically they've been slightly consistent with that.
I don't think you really understand what the term "home field advantage" really means.
 

paindonthurt

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I don't think you really understand what the term "home field advantage" really means.
I don't think you understand the question.

"Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines"?"

Do you think we were really unfriendly from 2010 to 2021?
Then we just decided to get really friendly from 2022 to 2026?

OR OR

Maybe we just have sucked all around since the beginning of 2022. At home or away.
 

Colonel Kang

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I would imagine most places look very similar to this if you started looking at them all!!

Most teams are gonna win more at home but its not some superior advantage like in football (at least i think).

I bet if you compare homefield in mlb to nfl its a much bigger advantage in the nfl vs MLB.

Same with college baseball and college football.
As of the 2025-2026 era, the NFL home winning percentage has diminished to roughly 52–55%, closer to a 50/50 split than historical trends. While home teams still have an advantage, this is a significant drop from the 57–60% range maintained from the 1970s through the early 2010s. [1, 2]

Interesting how the NFL has seen a chance.... indoor stadiums & corporate atmospheres?

CFB's home field winning% should be much higher though due to the P4 schools almost always hosting
 
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Perd Hapley

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Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines”?

This decade, our home SEC record at the greatest venue in college baseball has been:

2021: 9–6
2022: 4–11
2023: 4–11
2024: 11–4
2025: 8–7
2026: 7–8

That’s 43–47 in home SEC play. We hold every attendance record you can name and pack the place every weekend, yet opposing teams come to Starkville and beat us more often than not.

Is the park too hitter-friendly? Does the crowd create pressure on our own guys? Genuinely puzzled. Anyone have a theory?
We’re 35-25 at home when you exclude the 2 years that we were at/near dead last in the league overall. And that’s including 2 years in 2024 and 2025 when we were nothing special. That’s pretty damn good.

This year seems to be the only anomaly….where we have a really good team but have struggled a bit at home. And it’s important to remember we’ve been without our Friday night starter for almost the entirety of SEC play….which limits our ceiling across the board. And hell, the only home series this year that was a huge anomaly was Tennessee. Every other home series fell well within the expected range of outcomes when you account for McPherson’s injury.
 
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Bneal

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Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines”?

This decade, our home SEC record at the greatest venue in college baseball has been:

2021: 9–6
2022: 4–11
2023: 4–11
2024: 11–4
2025: 8–7
2026: 7–8

That’s 43–47 in home SEC play. We hold every attendance record you can name and pack the place every weekend, yet opposing teams come to Starkville and beat us more often than not.

Is the park too hitter-friendly? Does the crowd create pressure on our own guys? Genuinely puzzled. Anyone have a theory?
 
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Bneal

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Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines”?

This decade, our home SEC record at the greatest venue in college baseball has been:

2021: 9–6
2022: 4–11
2023: 4–11
2024: 11–4
2025: 8–7
2026: 7–8

That’s 43–47 in home SEC play. We hold every attendance record you can name and pack the place every weekend, yet opposing teams come to Starkville and beat us more often than not.

Is the park too hitter-friendly? Does the crowd create pressure on our own guys? Genuinely puzzled. Anyone have a theory?
Don’t take walks. Don’t hit with two outs. Don’t hit with risp. No pitchers
 

ReverseCowbell

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I don't think you understand the question.

"Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines"?"

Do you think we were really unfriendly from 2010 to 2021?
Then we just decided to get really friendly from 2022 to 2026?

OR OR

Maybe we just have sucked all around since the beginning of 2022. At home or away.
I used 2021-present because the game changed so much in 2021 that comparisons before that are almost a different sport.

April 2021 - NCAA lifts one year penalty for transfers.

June 2021 - Approved NIL

July 2021 - Approved additional eligibility for COVID players.

also, the Dude was officially reopened in 2019, but 2020 was erased due to Covid, so post-2020 is a “modern era” comp.

I just think we should be getting more bang for our buck. We seem to have created a fairly un-intimidating venue by most measures. The LSU series being the outlier.
 

paindonthurt

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I used 2021-present because the game changed so much in 2021 that comparisons before that are almost a different sport.

April 2021 - NCAA lifts one year penalty for transfers.

June 2021 - Approved NIL

July 2021 - Approved additional eligibility for COVID players.

also, the Dude was officially reopened in 2019, but 2020 was erased due to Covid, so post-2020 is a “modern era” comp.

I just think we should be getting more bang for our buck. We seem to have created a fairly un-intimidating venue by most measures. The LSU series being the outlier.
Your logic is flawed.

Our home record has nothing to do with the dude and a lot to do with how good we have been since 2021.
 
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thatsbaseball

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I think sometimes the big crowds stirs as much (or more) adrenalin in our opponents as it does us , Ours kids are used to it but it's a one of a kind experience for many of our visitors .
 
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msualohadog

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I think our advantage is more anecdotal than statistical. There are high leverage situations when it absolutely matters. LSU this year and Ole Miss last year for example. Most games, however, are more laid back and social than they probably need to be. I pay a lot less attention to the actual game in person than I do at home watching TV.
 

QuadrupleOption

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Pretty sure I understand these numbers better than you. You just completely changed the period you're looking at and nothing in this table compares home vs road records. We may or may not have a home field advantage for the years 2010-2025. But we certainly don't for the years from 2021-2026.
Yes I'm shocked that the last 6 seasons, including two of the worst ones in the last 20+ years, have reduced the % of homefield wins******