Why doesn’t Dudy Noble give us a home advantage?

ReverseCowbell · Monday at 11:54 AM

Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines”?

This decade, our home SEC record at the greatest venue in college baseball has been:

2021: 9–6
2022: 4–11
2023: 4–11
2024: 11–4
2025: 8–7
2026: 7–8

That’s 43–47 in home SEC play. We hold every attendance record you can name and pack the place every weekend, yet opposing teams come to Starkville and beat us more often than not.

Is the park too hitter-friendly? Does the crowd create pressure on our own guys? Genuinely puzzled. Anyone have a theory?

paindonthurt · Monday at 11:55 AM

ReverseCowbell said:
Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines”?

This decade, our home SEC record at the greatest venue in college baseball has been:

2021: 9–6
2022: 4–11
2023: 4–11
2024: 11–4
2025: 8–7
2026: 7–8

That’s 43–47 in home SEC play. We hold the all-time on-campus attendance record and pack the place every weekend, yet opposing teams come to Starkville and beat us more often than not.

Is the park too hitter-friendly? Does the crowd create pressure on our own guys? Genuinely puzzled. Anyone have a theory?

Maybe do the same calculations with other sec schools.

also toss out 2022 to 2025 bc we sucked

8dog · Monday at 11:58 AM

ReverseCowbell said:
Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines”?

This decade, our home SEC record at the greatest venue in college baseball has been:

2021: 9–6
2022: 4–11
2023: 4–11
2024: 11–4
2025: 8–7
2026: 7–8

That’s 43–47 in home SEC play. We hold every attendance record you can name and pack the place every weekend, yet opposing teams come to Starkville and beat us more often than not.

Is the park too hitter-friendly? Does the crowd create pressure on our own guys? Genuinely puzzled. Anyone have a theory?

It’s because we aren’t playing well enough. It’s that simple.

ReverseCowbell · Monday at 12:07 PM

I took a quick look at Tennessee and they are 61-29 at home SEC games during the same period.

Arky is 68-22.

Vandy is 57-30 with a series against South Carolina this weekend.

I’ll take a look at a few more.

DawgNsuds · Monday at 12:07 PM

ReverseCowbell said:
Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines”?

This decade, our home SEC record at the greatest venue in college baseball has been:

2021: 9–6
2022: 4–11
2023: 4–11
2024: 11–4
2025: 8–7
2026: 7–8

That’s 43–47 in home SEC play. We hold every attendance record you can name and pack the place every weekend, yet opposing teams come to Starkville and beat us more often than not.

Is the park too hitter-friendly? Does the crowd create pressure on our own guys? Genuinely puzzled. Anyone have a theory?

has to be because we feed the opposing teams, its the only possible explanation******

She Mate Me · Monday at 12:08 PM

I do sometimes wonder if teams play a little harder and better because they're in an environment like nothing else they ever see in playing baseball.

Probably not, but it has crossed my mind.

8dog · Monday at 12:10 PM

ReverseCowbell said:
I took a quick look at Tennessee and they are 61-29 at home SEC games during the same period. I’ll take a look at a few more.

Yeah. Because they had absolute dudes and were one of the best programs In the country over that stretch.

Darryl Steight · Monday at 12:13 PM

I tell you what else. I don't want to say this, but it's true.

14,000 people being quiet is a little unsettling. The crowd got into it late in a couple of games against LSU like the old days, and it was shaking and intimidating. But when the crowd is that large and quiet like most of Friday's game... and yes maybe it's because of the play on the field (that's a chicken or egg thing)... but it probably does work against us a little.

Wesson Bulldog · Monday at 12:15 PM

Too many white tent frames***

ETK99 · Monday at 12:16 PM

Because the team isn't good enough

RBcoach · Monday at 12:20 PM

Too many buckets in the dugout.

thatsbaseball · Monday at 12:39 PM

ReverseCowbell said:
I took a quick look at Tennessee and they are 61-29 at home SEC games during the same period.

Arky is 68-22.

Vandy is 57-30 with a series against South Carolina this weekend.

I’ll take a look at a few more.

Ouch

paindonthurt · Monday at 12:41 PM

ReverseCowbell said:
I took a quick look at Tennessee and they are 61-29 at home SEC games during the same period.

Arky is 68-22.

Vandy is 57-30 with a series against South Carolina this weekend.

I’ll take a look at a few more.

But compare what you need is to compare apples to apples

Tenn total record compared to home record
Vandy total compared to home
State total compared to home

is it a home away deal of just a good or bad deal?

skip dog · Monday at 12:45 PM

b/c that's baseball, and Lemonis stunk it up after the NC

Turd Fergusondawg · Monday at 12:47 PM

I've noticed, especially this season, that State home fans don't ever really razz the visiting pitchers for pickoff attempts like they do elsewhere. Not sure how much difference that makes, but it does seem like there's less general hostility from the fans.

Texas fans were especially obnoxious about it--and their stands were half empty. BALK! BOOOOO! BALK! BALK! YOU SUCK! for even the first throw to first. Sort've crazy, but that's more the standard.

And yeah, feeding the players from the outfield fans.

OG Goat Holder · Monday at 12:48 PM

8dog said:
Yeah. Because every had absolute dudes and were one of the best programs In the country over that stretch.

This is really all there is to it. Especially nowadays. Nobody's going to be able to pull off that shlt Savage and Cohen did in 2013. That's why we quickly pivoted in 2016 to going out and getting dawgs. Scheming don't work in baseball unless you're 10U.

Had a winning record in 2021 and 2024 because we had a bunch of good players.

ronpolk · Monday at 12:52 PM

ReverseCowbell said:
Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines”?

This decade, our home SEC record at the greatest venue in college baseball has been:

2021: 9–6
2022: 4–11
2023: 4–11
2024: 11–4
2025: 8–7
2026: 7–8

That’s 43–47 in home SEC play. We hold every attendance record you can name and pack the place every weekend, yet opposing teams come to Starkville and beat us more often than not.

Is the park too hitter-friendly? Does the crowd create pressure on our own guys? Genuinely puzzled. Anyone have a theory?

We had some pretty terrible teams in 2022 and 2023. That is skewing things pretty heavily. Also, unless you’re gonna go back and look at each of the teams played and how difficult the schedule was it’s pretty hard to determine anything.

I think the real answer is our home record would be just fine if we played vandy or Missouri every weekend. The reality is that this team is good but not great. And the record against top teams reflects that. Now this team could certainly get hot and cause some damage. But I don’t think Dudy noble has anything to do with this teams win/loss record at home.

John Deaux VII · Monday at 12:53 PM

I'm to lazy to look it up. How does the home record in that time frame compare to our overall record? Odds are it's comparable.

paindonthurt · Monday at 1:06 PM

ReverseCowbell said:
Is Dudy Noble the “overly-friendly confines”?

This decade, our home SEC record at the greatest venue in college baseball has been:

2021: 9–6
2022: 4–11
2023: 4–11
2024: 11–4
2025: 8–7
2026: 7–8

That’s 43–47 in home SEC play. We hold every attendance record you can name and pack the place every weekend, yet opposing teams come to Starkville and beat us more often than not.

Is the park too hitter-friendly? Does the crowd create pressure on our own guys? Genuinely puzzled. Anyone have a theory?

Tennessee

In 2023 the home SEC opponents
Kentucky 16-14 SEC
State 9-21
florida 20-10
vandy 14-16
texas A&M 14-16

In 2024 the home SEC opponents
South Carolina 13-17
Missouri 9-21
LSU 13-17
Georgia 17-13
Ole miss 11-19

So every year their home and away percentage are about the same except for 2023 and 2024 and their home opponents werent very good either year. Especially in 2024.

patdog · Monday at 1:10 PM

paindonthurt said:
But compare what you need is to compare apples to apples

Tenn total record compared to home record
Vandy total compared to home
State total compared to home

is it a home away deal of just a good or bad deal?

Not going to do Tenn or Vandy. But we're 43-47 at home and 42-45 on the road. No home field advantage.

paindonthurt · Monday at 1:46 PM

patdog said:
Not going to do Tenn or Vandy. But we're 43-47 at home and 42-45 on the road. No home field advantage.

I did Tenn for you

based on your logic they don’t really have home field advantage either

they’ve just been really good all the way around in the given time frame

MSUDC11-2.0 · Monday at 1:52 PM

ronpolk said:
We had some pretty terrible teams in 2022 and 2023. That is skewing things pretty heavily. Also, unless you’re gonna go back and look at each of the teams played and how difficult the schedule was it’s pretty hard to determine anything.

I think the real answer is our home record would be just fine if we played vandy or Missouri every weekend. The reality is that this team is good but not great. And the record against top teams reflects that. Now this team could certainly get hot and cause some damage. But I don’t think Dudy noble has anything to do with this teams win/loss record at home.

That’s where I’m at too. I don’t really have a good explanation for what the heck happened against Tennessee. But I simply think Georgia and or Auburn are more well rounded teams than us. We are too inconsistent, those two teams aren’t without flaws either but they have figure out how to work around them, whereas we don’t feel like we have.

patdog · Monday at 1:55 PM

paindonthurt said:
I did Tenn for you

based on your logic they don’t really have home field advantage either

they’ve just been really good all the way around in the given time frame

I don't know. 68% wins at home and 59% on the road. That's a 9% swing. VS MSU at 48% both home and road. No home advantage.

Colonel Kang · Monday at 1:56 PM

She Mate Me said:
I do sometimes wonder if teams play a little harder and better because they're in an environment like nothing else they ever see in playing baseball.

Probably not, but it has crossed my mind.

UGA & TN are 2-4 in their series after playing us at home this year FWIW

paindonthurt · Monday at 1:57 PM

patdog said:
I don't know. 68% wins at home and 59% on the road. That's a 9% swing. VS MSU at 48% both home and road. No home advantage.

It’s 68% vs 63%
Then factor in 2 outlier years with easy homes schedules. 1 being an absolute joke.
NO HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE EITHER

Colonel Kang · Monday at 1:58 PM

What was our home record from the time the stadium opened until - 2021? That's when the program was at it's peak

Colonel Kang · Monday at 2:05 PM

It interesting to look at massive sample sizes on this for an expectation:

Yankees - 57% historical winning % with a 62% winning % at Yankee Stadium

Red Sox - 51% historical winning % with a 56% winning % at Fenway

Dodgers - 53% historical winning % with a 54% winning % at Dodger Stadium

dog99walker · Monday at 2:06 PM

So much for MSU marketing and the “Dude Effect”. I have never been a fan. The Dude is a wonderful environment, but it doesn’t guarantee success. I wish that the powers that be would drop it all together.

patdog · Monday at 2:11 PM

paindonthurt said:
It’s 68% vs 63%
Then factor in 2 outlier years with easy homes schedules. 1 being an absolute joke.
NO HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE EITHER

You can't factor in the 2 "outlier" years with easy home schedules and ignore the years with hard home schedules. Over a 6-year period it evens out. Fact is TN has a definite home field advantage. We don't.

greenbean.sixpack · Monday at 2:19 PM

Baseball’s a weird game. Home field gave us a huge advantage vs LSU. It likely would have given us that against the barn on Friday had Duke not talk BOC into letting him stay in the game.

Rsbrsb1010 · Monday at 2:21 PM

The fact of that matter is that baseball just due to the nature and pace of the game has a lesser home field advantage than any other sport. No stadium, college or MLB, is going to turn into some sort of Death Valley, Big House, Bryant Denny type atmosphere.

Name me one college or MLB (all of which are 2, 3 times bigger than any college park btw) stadium that just has this hostile crowd, ferocious reputation.

paindonthurt · Monday at 2:22 PM

patdog said:
You can't factor in the 2 "outlier" years with easy home schedules and ignore the years with hard home schedules. Over a 6-year period it evens out. Fact is TN has a definite home field advantage. We don't.

Are you sure you are an accountant?

SEC Baseball: Home Win % vs. SEC Opponents (2010–2025)

SEC Team	Home Win % (Conference)	Notable Context
Arkansas	~71.5%	Consistently the gold standard for home dominance in the SEC.
LSU	~69.8%	Alex Box Stadium remains one of the most difficult environments for visitors.
Vanderbilt	~68.4%	Dominated the 2010s with high consistency at Hawkins Field.
Florida	~64.2%	Maintained high win rates through multiple College World Series runs.
Mississippi State	~61.1%	Dudy Noble Field sees a significant performance spike in conference play.
Texas A&M	~59.5%	Performance has climbed steadily since joining the league in 2012.
South Carolina	~57.8%	Higher win rates in the early 2010s (national title era) bolster this average.
Ole Miss	~55.2%	Swayze Field is famously tough, though conference records fluctuate.
Tennessee	~53.6%	A massive late-period surge under Tony Vitello pulled this average up.
Auburn	~49.1%	Typically hovers around .500 in the brutal SEC West.
Kentucky	~47.4%	Stronger recently (2023–2025) but struggled during the mid-2010s.
Georgia	~46.9%	Highly variable; can sweep top teams or struggle at home in the same year.
Alabama	~45.2%	Generally consistent but has lacked the high-peak seasons of its peers.
Missouri	~35.5%	Has struggled to maintain a home advantage since moving from the Big 12.

paindonthurt · Monday at 2:24 PM

Rsbrsb1010 said:
The fact of that matter is that baseball just due to the nature and pace of the game has a lesser home field advantage than any other sport. No stadium, college or MLB, is going to turn into some sort of Death Valley, Big House, Bryant Denny type atmosphere.

Name me one college or MLB (all of which are 2, 3 times bigger than any college park btw) stadium that just has this hostile crowd, ferocious reputation.

Correct. Baseball doesn't really have a home field advantage as much as basketball and football.

MSUDC11-2.0 · Monday at 2:34 PM

dog99walker said:
So much for MSU marketing and the “Dude Effect”. I have never been a fan. The Dude is a wonderful environment, but it doesn’t guarantee success. I wish that the powers that be would drop it all together.

I think it’s absolutely been a difference maker in the postseason against teams that aren’t used to playing in front of crowds, but SEC teams don’t really get phased by it that often.

Rsbrsb1010 · Monday at 2:34 PM

paindonthurt said:
Correct. Baseball doesn't really have a home field advantage as much as basketball and football.

This is why I don’t like how so many of our fans brag about attendance. We have sucked at home this year. Places like A&M, Penn State, Tennessee etc do this in football and they haven’t won titles in forever.

I’d rather the social media team put more emphasis on the amount of titles, Omaha appearances, players drafted etc. They’re always tweeting about attendance and the Dude Effect and we have literally been terrible at home.

paindonthurt · Monday at 2:35 PM

Rsbrsb1010 said:
This is why I don’t like how so many of our fans brag about attendance. We have sucked at home this year. A&M, Penn State, Tennessee etc do this in football and they haven’t won titles in forever.

Its still good to be proud of our attendance record. Its part of the reason we recruit well and are able to hire good coaches.

patdog · Monday at 2:39 PM

paindonthurt said:
Are you sure you are an accountant?

SEC Baseball: Home Win % vs. SEC Opponents (2010–2025)

SEC Team Home Win % (Conference) Notable Context
Arkansas ~71.5% Consistently the gold standard for home dominance in the SEC.
LSU ~69.8% Alex Box Stadium remains one of the most difficult environments for visitors.
Vanderbilt ~68.4% Dominated the 2010s with high consistency at Hawkins Field.
Florida ~64.2% Maintained high win rates through multiple College World Series runs.
Mississippi State ~61.1% Dudy Noble Field sees a significant performance spike in conference play.
Texas A&M ~59.5% Performance has climbed steadily since joining the league in 2012.
South Carolina ~57.8% Higher win rates in the early 2010s (national title era) bolster this average.
Ole Miss ~55.2% Swayze Field is famously tough, though conference records fluctuate.
Tennessee ~53.6% A massive late-period surge under Tony Vitello pulled this average up.
Auburn ~49.1% Typically hovers around .500 in the brutal SEC West.
Kentucky ~47.4% Stronger recently (2023–2025) but struggled during the mid-2010s.
Georgia ~46.9% Highly variable; can sweep top teams or struggle at home in the same year.
Alabama ~45.2% Generally consistent but has lacked the high-peak seasons of its peers.
Missouri ~35.5% Has struggled to maintain a home advantage since moving from the Big 12.

Pretty sure I understand these numbers better than you. You just completely changed the period you're looking at and nothing in this table compares home vs road records. We may or may not have a home field advantage for the years 2010-2025. But we certainly don't for the years from 2021-2026.

Rsbrsb1010 · Monday at 2:44 PM

paindonthurt said:
Its still good to be proud of our attendance record. Its part of the reason we recruit well and are able to hire good coaches.

Yes I don’t mean to take away from it. Always better to have more fans than less. Just need it to translate into home W’s which hasn’t the past couple years.

paindonthurt · Monday at 2:52 PM

patdog said:
Pretty sure I understand these numbers better than you. You just completely changed the period you're looking at and nothing in this table compares home vs road records. We may or may not have a home field advantage for the years 2010-2025. But we certainly don't for the years from 2021-2026.

So you are saying we have home field advantage but just not in the finite period discussed?
So you are saying i can't cherry pick two outliers from Tenn to prove a point but you can cherry pick 21 to 26 to prove one?
Inconsistent much?

You are making my point for me.

Our home field advantage looks bad in 21 to 26 years b/c we sucked.
Tennessees looks good bc they were good and had two incredibly easy years with home schedules.

I'm not saying dudy noble is some incredible home field advantage. I'm saying home field advantage in baseball isn't really that big of a deal at Tenn or MSU.

I'm right.

paindonthurt · Monday at 2:53 PM

Rsbrsb1010 said:
Yes I don’t mean to take away from it. Always better to have more fans than less. Just need it to translate into home W’s which hasn’t the past couple years.

It hasn't really been the case for anyone. Arkansas wins a lot of games at home but they win a lot of games everywhere.

Why doesn’t Dudy Noble give us a home advantage?

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