So Corby you are saying that Ferentz and Bubmayr knew what they were doing and knowingly decided to violate the transfer portal regulations?
If Spencer has any interest in coaching
- Thread starter Sullivan
- Start date
So Corby you are saying that Ferentz and Bubmayr knew what they were doing and knowingly decided to violate the transfer portal regulations?
Your fascination with Iowa compliance is very bizzare
He quite possibly is the anti-Vodka
Last edited:
For sure all D1 coaches know you can't be contacting rostered athletes.
Your comprehension and interpretation skills are significantly limited.
You can’t fix stupid.Please enlighten us Chosen One. (This should be good -)
I agree with this, but consider me a Hawkeye fan that doubts PSU has done heavy cheating. It is impossible to keep secrets any more with everyone having a public forum through social media. Also, all organizations, including PSU, have disgruntled people leaving the organization. Cael’s been coaching 17 years and 100s of athletes have been in the program. The only negatives we’ve heard about are Andrew Long’s personal indiscretions and Starrocci’s strange behavior. I’m not aware of any former PSU athletes or any former staffers with the program ever allude to illegal payments to athletes. I believe some pissed off ex-wrestler would have ratted out the program by now if it were true. It seems very unlikely that this could be kept secret for this long.
This is wild and one reason for the conspiracy theory characterization.
Q: The peak of the elite HS recruiting years, where 9.9 scholly skirting is alleged to have occurred, was when?
A: Let's say, 2013, 2014 with Nickal, Nolf, Nevills and Joseph.
Q: At what age did each of the elite HS wrestlers commit to PSU?
A: All less than 18.
Q: Can an under 18 year old be held to an NDA, if they sign one?
A: No
Doesn't add up when the cheating by promising to pay off tuition balance is alleged to have been part and parcel of a systematic method to recruit Elite HS wrestlers.
Last edited:
The parents sure could. I doubt those guys were all planning to pay their own way. That said I'm tired of this crap too. If they're legitimately cheating publish the proof and report them to the ncaa, otherwise stfu about it. Excuses are for wusses.
Parents could, but child isn't obligated, which leads to the point it could easily come out.
Beau Bartlett departed on what are by many accounts less than great terms. Cael was recruiting Kurt McHenry when he was in HS. Both have come out with negatives about the program, but neither about cheating or pay offs.
Again, Bartlett less than 18 when he committed and McHenry less than 18 when recruited before committing to Michigan.
Furthermore, NDAs are not valid to conceal an illegal activity. Sure, violating NCAA rules is not illegal, but commission of tax fraud would be (not that I am saying either actually occurred).
Did anyone overhear a conversation NDAs were involved or did Ira say they've been used in this context?
Last edited:
All our insiders are also PSU insiders and know the inner workings of how PSU does it. We have the formula, we just can’t replicate it. /s
When Marinelli graduated, became a HWC wrestler and bought a house, Iowa fans posted admiration at how the Brands take care of their guys upon graduation.
Not remotely what is being described, but you already knew that
Don’t have a cause, just visit for scoop, mostly on Spencer. The incessant “Lions cheat” whining deserved a jab, so I obliged. The cheap shot at your insiders was petty, sure, but hikers are human, not angelic.
Nor do I gloat over Lion success. Gloating is for bullies, and all bullies get humbled.
Given your statements of things you know to be true, I'm still waiting to understand how you reconcile what you've written with the following two questions:
How am I supposed to know what risks the nlwc are willing to take? Penn State has shown they are willing to risk a lot when it comes to athletics.
Next time you are at a psu wrestling social or fund-raising event, pull Cody off to the side and ask him to answer your questions.
Sure, I will ask Cody and Ira.
But will you believe their answers?
You don't have to know, but you can use critical thinking skills beyond believing whatever you heard discussed.
That was all I was asking.
Also, that you never did hear NDAs discussed, right? Is that something else you know, or not?
Last edited:
And, if they are actually doing what has been said, they are going to tell you? If they did, you are going to come on here and say it? CTFO....You are on here defending PSU minutiae with even greater minutiae(oxymoron)...
Legally speaking, NDAs are are generally worth the paper they are printed on. Courts don’t like them. If any sort of law has been broken, NDAs can’t prevent a person from reporting crimes. Ask Donald Trump about this. Again, I’m not defending PSU. I’m just a realist.
Although true, breaking many of the NCAA regulations isn't illegal and wouldn't fit...depending on what the consequences would be(normally listed right in the agreement), it wouldn't be worth it to go down that road...
guys who left the program...sure, they could be covered by NDAs i guess
but guys who were heavily recruited by PSU and went elsewhere...wouldn't they have had those kinds of conversations too? they'd at least know about the existence or use of NDA? why are they just keeping their mouths shut? do you have to sign an NDA to even start getting recruited by cael?
You're asking the wrong guy. I don’t believe there are any NDAs at all regarding the vast majority of Elite HS recruits. For those over 18, maybe. I agree with @HawkBeliever that most wouldn't be worth the paper they're written on, if they do exist.
And if they do exist, i would think they'd be more applicable to portal negotiations and details of NIL contracts beyond what is obligated to be reported to NILGo (for athletes over 18 years old).
And, somehow, all of the Penn State in-house legal team and university officials are not aware of these NDAs and have never questioned why Cael needs NDAs with his wrestlers.
In the conversation I was in, NDAs were brough up to be used. Have the parent sign if the wrestler is under 18 and once, they turn 18 the wrestler would then sign. In fact, I'm pretty certain parents were going to be asked to sign an NDA also whether the wrestler was 18 or not.
You could very well be right on the legality of an NDA, it is something I have never had a need for or researched
Is this the same or different conversation from the one in which you remained a fly on the wall?
It reads to me like a group hypothetically debating how NDAs might be used rather than a definitive statement of NDA use in a specific way. Is that what it was? Or was their a NLWC/PSU insider expressing how they used NDAs?
I can ask Cody and Ira better questions if i have a better understanding.
By your logic change doesn’t happen. championships were played or held in a different format. 2020 had no championships held. I don’t believe wrestling has ever had polls decide a championship.
When NIL became a thing boosters and collectives started using NDAs to keep the deals confidential it's happening all over.
but the claim about NDAs is that they were being used to prevent anyone (outside random internet message board dudes) from ever discussing PSU's widespread, well known post-graduation tuition reimburesements
that was well before NIL...in fact, NIL has made all that completely unnecessary
Just go away, that's all this board wants. Go tag along with Cody and Ira and we don't need to hear about it.
NIL is what made it happen everywhere. They don't want athletes telling others the deal they got. Negotiations matter
I don't think I would say a "fly on the wall". I was invited to the small "social gathering" where all this was discussed.
I just didn't add to the conversation, because it was something I wasn't going to be involved with and sometimes a guy is better off just keeping their mouth shut.
The plan was getting put together on how they could get as many top-level guys in the room as possible.
I'm sure there were plenty more conversations had after this, I would say this was the beginning, and every guy
there were in favor of the plan. Ira was not there during this gathering, but Cody did stop in to say "hi" and chat with them for a bit.
right...but no one is asking about NDAs related to NIL negotiations. i think we all understand those.
it's NDAs related to pre-NIL era scholarship discussions and post-graduation promises/RTC deals that's being discussed