If Spencer has any interest in coaching

98lberEating2Lunches · May 5, 2026

T8KUDWN said:
When a wrestler went to psu, if they stayed in the good graces of the wrestling team and coaches and graduated from psu, the nlwc would pay any college debt after the wrestler graduated.
Wrestlers did not have to be involved with the nlwc to get this deal.
Great way to get a lot of highly ranked guys into a program.
The gray area is doing it on the backside after they graduate.

As you may know paying a tuition debt directly to a school is a gift that the IRS does not track and one that does not lower an individual or couple's estate tax floor.

It's not clear to me how there would be any record of it.

Seems eminently doable and untraceable.

I guess the issue is alleged sneakiness by doing it outside NCAA control, post graduation. But like you said, it was contingent on doing things right and living the life, a la "Let no act of ours bring shame," so there never was a guarantee.

98lberEating2Lunches · May 5, 2026

Having the NLWC make payments would be way too risky and chance running afoul of tax law.

'To determine if a 501(c)(3) charitable organization is using funds to pay off student-athlete tuitions after graduation, you must review their tax filings, public statements, and compliance with IRS regulations, as this activity (paying off an athletes student loan debt) is considered a high-risk "private benefit" rather than a charitable purpose.'

So could Ira personally write checks to Penn State to pay off tuition, yes. (Apparently Donor Advised Fund wouldn't be legal.)

Do I believe the NLWC does it, no.

NLWC doesn't want to risk losing its 501(c)(3) status, 'cause where would that leave PSU wrestling.

Trapper85 · May 5, 2026

Misalorales said:
I don't know you are, who you know, or how you would know them. How could I take it on faith? I'm not saying you're lying. I'm saying that requires myself, or anyone else, to just blindly trust you relaying what you heard someone else say.

I kind of get your point, I'm a doubting "show me the data" kind of person too. But you're basically saying you trust nothing unless you experience it first person in real time. Doubt you follow that in most of life. If so, I recommend a helmet when you jump off a building to see if gravity is indeed real.

Misalorales · May 6, 2026

Trapper85 said:
I kind of get your point, I'm a doubting "show me the data" kind of person too. But you're basically saying you trust nothing unless you experience it first person in real time. Doubt you follow that in most of life. If so, I recommend a helmet when you jump off a building to see if gravity is indeed real.

Ah, yea sort of. Not sure that analogy makes the most sense but you're not entirely wrong. I'm not a naturally trusting person. Gravity is independently observable. Whether PSU does shady backroom deals is not.

JoeBagobagels · May 6, 2026

MSU158 said:
So, Covid basically means they weren't the best team those 2 seasons? Got it. Great logic for PSU to find a way to have it only be about them. Makes sense why you post here...

Well the Ivies didn't compete in 2021 so how that would affect the field is something we can't determine now. So his statement is correct.

You're putting words in his mouth.

JoeBagobagels · May 6, 2026

MSU158 said:
He has ALWAYS had great recruits, even going back to ISU. They are STILL probably the best at mat coaching as well. However, the GREATEST separator is flat out recruiting. Why people want to downplay or flat out disregard that makes NO sense to me.

Who doesn't want to start something with the best possible resources no matter what you are doing? You can be the best framing carpenter in the world, but you aren't going to get far using the rock hammer from Shawshank...

Recruiting has always been a part of coaching in any sport.

JoeBagobagels · May 6, 2026

MSU158 said:
So Iowa can't claim 2020, but to you it didn't happen at all? Interesting how that works...

Well the championships weren't held so....

MSU158 · May 6, 2026

JoeBagobagels said:
Well the Ivies didn't compete in 2021 so how that would affect the field is something we can't determine now. So his statement is correct.

You're putting words in his mouth.

JoeBagobagels said:
Recruiting has always been a part of coaching in any sport.

JoeBagobagels said:
Well the championships weren't held so....

HikeNatParks · May 6, 2026

98lberEating2Lunches said:
Is that the gray area?

One gray area I see when I visit are murky claims of cheating by Iowa rivals. Your logic and requests for proof will always be attacked by those unable to deliver evidence beyond hearsay (likely 98% of all message board input). Argue with insiders all you want. Won’t change their opinion or self-inflated importance. T8 did, after all, stand near “conversations with the right people” who said or heard something about someone. And Gobbles knows what’s “still happening” at PSU, well, because he does. Real insiders likely spend little time tickle fighting and chasing reactions on message boards and more on input to Iowa’s key issue, HS recruiting. Came for Spencer elbow scoop, found none, and allowed that and the lack of a coffee make me send a cranky post. Old troll out.

bnicolls · May 6, 2026

JoeBagobagels said:
Well the championships weren't held so....

So any Football National Champs prior to the present playoff system also have to be vacated. Got it

MSU158 · May 6, 2026

HikeNatParks said:
One gray area I see when I visit are murky claims of cheating by Iowa rivals. Your logic and requests for proof will always be attacked by those unable to deliver evidence beyond hearsay (likely 98% of all message board input). Argue with insiders all you want. Won’t change their opinion or self-inflated importance. T8 did, after all, stand near “conversations with the right people” who said or heard something about someone. And Gobbles knows what’s “still happening” at PSU, well, because he does. Real insiders likely spend little time tickle fighting and chasing reactions on message boards and more on input to Iowa’s key issue, HS recruiting. Came for Spencer elbow scoop, found none, and allowed that and the lack of a coffee make me send a cranky post. Old troll out.

If there was concrete proof, wouldn't PSU have already been sanctioned by the NCAA? How about OJ? Casey Anthony? This is WHY they all use the word GREY. Knowing something has happened is VASTLY different than PROVING it. Back then NLWC had money before RTC's even knew they could have money....look, I never have once said PSU cheated. I think they have done their best to know exactly what the line is that can't be crossed without actual sanctions, and they walked right on it as quickly and as often as they could.

Many Iowa insiders take umbrage with this because, it appears, that Iowa compliance is much more restricting and/or directly involved and hasn't let Iowa toe the line the same way in some of these areas. The fact some of you come on here and spend so much time arduously defending against it only further validates it to some. You guys are the best dynasty I have ever seen and I wrestled at the tail end of Gable. Why spend any time on this on another team's site with fans that obviously want PSU to be cheating? NO response you give on here is going to help your cause in ANY way here...

T8KUDWN · May 6, 2026

HikeNatParks said:
One gray area I see when I visit are murky claims of cheating by Iowa rivals. Your logic and requests for proof will always be attacked by those unable to deliver evidence beyond hearsay (likely 98% of all message board input). Argue with insiders all you want. Won’t change their opinion or self-inflated importance. T8 did, after all, stand near “conversations with the right people” who said or heard something about someone. And Gobbles knows what’s “still happening” at PSU, well, because he does. Real insiders likely spend little time tickle fighting and chasing reactions on message boards and more on input to Iowa’s key issue, HS recruiting. Came for Spencer elbow scoop, found none, and allowed that and the lack of a coffee make me send a cranky post. Old troll out.

There was no attacking being done.
Nice try with the "stand near" and "who said or heard something" comment.
You can try and deflect it all you want, it's the truth and it is not new information.

blcoach80 · May 6, 2026

MSU158 said:
If there was concrete proof, wouldn't PSU have already been sanctioned by the NCAA? How about OJ? Casey Anthony? This is WHY they all use the word GREY. Knowing something has happened is VASTLY different than PROVING it. Back then NLWC had money before RTC's even knew they could have money....look, I never have once said PSU cheated. I think they have done their best to know exactly what the line is that can't be crossed without actual sanctions, and they walked right on it as quickly and as often as they could.

Many Iowa insiders take umbrage with this because, it appears, that Iowa compliance is much more restricting and/or directly involved and hasn't let Iowa toe the line the same way in some of these areas. The fact some of you come on here and spend so much time arduously defending against it only further validates it to some. You guys are the best dynasty I have ever seen and I wrestled at the tail end of Gable. Why spend any time on this on another team's site with fans that obviously want PSU to be cheating? NO response you give on here is going to help your cause in ANY way here...

Exactly. No PSU fan is going to convince any Iowa fans that Carl hasn't been doing shady, bending the rules, stuff and no Iowa fan is going to be able to "proove" it has been happening sufficiently to any PSU fans. It is a mission in futility if I ever saw one. Believe what you want and carry on with a smile.

98lberEating2Lunches · May 6, 2026

T8KUDWN said:
it is not new information

But it was a new rumor to me.

And it is pretty ingenius.

Ouside of NCAA jurisdiction, legal, doesn't impact estate limits, unlimited $ amount (IRS gift limit doesn't apply).

You'd think more big donors would do it.

Just don't see NLWC being the entity doing it, but I am willing to chalk this difference to the telephone game.

Do you think the NLWC would risk its 501(c)(3) status to be the entity when Ira could do it himself?

manatree · May 6, 2026

HikeNatParks said:
One gray area I see when I visit are murky claims of cheating by Iowa rivals. Your logic and requests for proof will always be attacked by those unable to deliver evidence beyond hearsay (likely 98% of all message board input). Argue with insiders all you want. Won’t change their opinion or self-inflated importance. T8 did, after all, stand near “conversations with the right people” who said or heard something about someone. And Gobbles knows what’s “still happening” at PSU, well, because he does. Real insiders likely spend little time tickle fighting and chasing reactions on message boards and more on input to Iowa’s key issue, HS recruiting. Came for Spencer elbow scoop, found none, and allowed that and the lack of a coffee make me send a cranky post. Old troll out.

Internet insiders are similar to politicians. You can tell that they are bull$#!tting when their fingers are typing or lips are moving.

T8KUDWN · May 6, 2026

98lberEating2Lunches said:
But it was a new rumor to me.

And it is pretty ingenius.

Ouside of NCAA jurisdiction, legal, doesn't impact estate limits, unlimited $ amount (IRS gift limit doesn't apply).

You'd think more big donors would do it.

Just don't see NLWC being the entity doing it, but I am willing to chalk this difference to the telephone game.

Do you think the NLWC would risk its 501(c)(3) status to be the entity when Ira could do it himself?

I definitely would not call it a rumor.
You were on the old board long enough I'm surprised this is your first time hearing this information.

98lberEating2Lunches · May 6, 2026

T8KUDWN said:
I definitely would not call it a rumor.
You were on the old board long enough I'm surprised this is your first time hearing this information.

I heard rumblings of getting around 9.9 limit. I heard people point at NLWC funding and where is all its money spent. I never heard about tuition being paid off after graduation. Only heard allegations of overpayment for camps or promises of residency.

I am still trying to understand how this cash flow might work, because I would think the school wants paid each semester. As such, any gifting scheme by an individual would be limited by gift tax and be reported to IRS to lower estate tax floor when used to pay off a loan (i.e. payment not made directly to the school).

District 4 · May 6, 2026

bnicolls said:
Uh, Ira told me he was ...flat out

T8KUDWN said:
There was no attacking being done.
Nice try with the "stand near" and "who said or heard something" comment.
You can try and deflect it all you want, it's the truth and it is not new information.

District 4 · May 6, 2026

blcoach80 said:
Exactly. No PSU fan is going to convince any Iowa fans that Carl hasn't been doing shady, bending the rules, stuff and no Iowa fan is going to be able to "proove" it has been happening sufficiently to any PSU fans. It is a mission in futility if I ever saw one. Believe what you want and carry on with a smile.

Of course none of this applies if psu isn't winning right then it would be whoever is beating iowa at that time. Lmfao look inward for reasons why Iowa isn't winning has nothing to do with nlwc

HugoHugo · May 6, 2026

MSU158 said:
Many Iowa insiders take umbrage with this because, it appears, that Iowa compliance is much more restricting and/or directly involved and hasn't let Iowa toe the line the same way in some of these areas. The fact some of you come on here and spend so much time arduously defending against it only further validates it to some. You guys are the best dynasty I have ever seen and I wrestled at the tail end of Gable. Why spend any time on this on another team's site with fans that obviously want PSU to be cheating? NO response you give on here is going to help your cause in ANY way here...

Wait, is this the same "restrictive and directly involved" compliance office that governs Iowa football? Asking for a friend...

Tampering violations occurred in Iowa football program - NCAA.org

98lberEating2Lunches · May 6, 2026

HugoHugo said:
Wait, is this the same "restrictive and directly involved" compliance office that governs Iowa football? Asking for a friend...

Tampering violations occurred in Iowa football program - NCAA.org
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I believe 'Restrictive Compliance' is on that AI wheel of excuses, so likely it came by chance.

MSU158 · May 6, 2026

HugoHugo said:
Wait, is this the same "restrictive and directly involved" compliance office that governs Iowa football? Asking for a friend...

Tampering violations occurred in Iowa football program - NCAA.org
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I was obviously only speaking for wrestling. Any comparison between ANYTHING happening with football at ANY school and a fringe sport is laughable at best. It’s like comparing the actions of a billionaire with someone working part time at McDonald’s.

You have no idea how compliance deals with football and how those involved may have circumvented them. In the end, they were obviously caught and dealt with accordingly…

98lberEating2Lunches · May 6, 2026

bnicolls said:
Uh, Ira told me he was ...flat out

Did this mean Ira said Cael was, or Ira admitted he himself was?

If I see Ira at the next annual PSU Wrestler Alumni banquet, I will ask him myself.

To be clear, I go as a guest, so I don't want to be accused of 'stolen valor' like one other around here.

MSU158 · May 6, 2026

98lberEating2Lunches said:
I believe 'Restrictive Compliance' is on that AI wheel of excuses, so likely it came by chance.

Hawx224 · May 6, 2026

HugoHugo said:
Wait, is this the same "restrictive and directly involved" compliance office that governs Iowa football? Asking for a friend...

Tampering violations occurred in Iowa football program - NCAA.org
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These violations were self reported, so yes, Iowa compliance is still that strict.

Gobblin · May 6, 2026

HikeNatParks said:
One gray area I see when I visit are murky claims of cheating by Iowa rivals. Your logic and requests for proof will always be attacked by those unable to deliver evidence beyond hearsay (likely 98% of all message board input). Argue with insiders all you want. Won’t change their opinion or self-inflated importance. T8 did, after all, stand near “conversations with the right people” who said or heard something about someone. And Gobbles knows what’s “still happening” at PSU, well, because he does. Real insiders likely spend little time tickle fighting and chasing reactions on message boards and more on input to Iowa’s key issue, HS recruiting. Came for Spencer elbow scoop, found none, and allowed that and the lack of a coffee make me send a cranky post. Old troll out.

I’m so sorry you’re going through this…. Have you considered taking a hike?

masterhawk74 · May 6, 2026

District 4 said:
Of course none of this applies if psu isn't winning right then it would be whoever is beating iowa at that time. Lmfao look inward for reasons why Iowa isn't winning has nothing to do with nlwc

PAHURDLER · May 6, 2026

bnicolls said:
So any Football National Champs prior to the present playoff system also have to be vacated. Got it

Bob, I feel that you should be aware that some asshole is signing your name to stupid posts.

PAHURDLER · May 6, 2026

MSU158 said:
I was obviously only speaking for wrestling. Any comparison between ANYTHING happening with football at ANY school and a fringe sport is laughable at best.

Oh man. I am just quoting this for irony/posterity’s sake.

You can’t make this stuff up. Love it.

MSU158 · May 6, 2026

PAHURDLER said:
Oh man. I am just quoting this for irony/posterity’s sake.

You can’t make this stuff up. Love it.

So football makes schools millions and millions and wrestling loses them money, but you think they are policed or really treated in ANY way the same?

You can quote it for any reason you wish or even only part to ignore context…It doesn’t make it any less true. Thank you for being a PSU fan on an Iowa website. Without you guys, I would have a lot less to post about on here!

bnicolls · May 6, 2026

PAHURDLER said:
Bob, I feel that you should be aware that some ******* is signing your name to stupid posts.

If I cared what some binghole with a handle PAHURLER had, I would most certainly would be worried

PAHURDLER · May 6, 2026

bnicolls said:
If I cared what some binghole with a handle PAHURLER had, I would most certainly would be worried

Neat!

PAHURDLER · May 6, 2026

MSU158 said:
So football makes schools millions and millions and wrestling loses them money, but you think they are policed or really treated in ANY way the same?

You can quote it for any reason you wish or even only part to ignore context…It doesn’t make it any less true. Thank you for being a PSU fan on an Iowa website. Without you guys, I would have a lot less to post about on here!

Wow it went way over your head.

MSU158 · May 6, 2026

PAHURDLER said:
Wow it went way over your head.

Or, much more likely, way under it. Much like Barney Gumble, to him, his utterances seem profound. To EVERYONE else they are every bit the incoherent gibberish they seem to be…

PAHURDLER · May 6, 2026

MSU158 said:
Or, much more likely, way under it. Much like Barney Gumble, to him, his utterances seem profound. To EVERYONE else they are every bit the incoherent gibberish they seem to be…

Nah.

What you’re missing is that I am 100% in agreement with what you said that I quoted. It’s just hilariously ironic to hear/see it coming from an Iowa fan, given the ad nauseum “derrrr bUt WhAt AbOuT sAnDuSkY” posts in reference to PSU wrestling.

MSU158 · May 6, 2026

PAHURDLER said:
Nah.

What you’re missing is that I am 100% in agreement with what you said that I quoted. It’s just hilariously ironic to hear/see it coming from an Iowa fan, given the ad nauseum “derrrr bUt WhAt AbOuT sAnDuSkY” posts in reference to PSU wrestling.

From me? Ever? When you quote me for “posterity” based on “irony” make sure your actual point applies to me and then don’t double down with “over the head” comments when it never fit me to begin with….or, better yet, stick to BWI or any equivalent and you won’t have to worry about misplaced perceptions of irony involving me!

Trapper85 · May 6, 2026

98lberEating2Lunches said:
I heard rumblings of getting around 9.9 limit. I heard people point at NLWC funding and where is all its money spent. I never heard about tuition being paid off after graduation. Only heard allegations of overpayment for camps or promises of residency.

I am still trying to understand how this cash flow might work, because I would think the school wants paid each semester. As such, any gifting scheme by an individual would be limited by gift tax and be reported to IRS to lower estate tax floor when used to pay off a loan (i.e. payment not made directly to the school).

I've no dog in this fight, never (and still not) making accusations, but my dad was a tax attorney for 40 years and my brother a corporate attorney. Pretty confident in saying rich folks/companies like Ira are quite smart at figuring out ways to maneuver money, play the tax code/IRS (or masterfully dance in the gray area), and never get caught. Usually have a whole team of folks good at doing this stuff. Now whether he/they did or exactly how, no clue. But it would probably only take them 20 minutes to figure it out if they wanted.

InTheCircle · Thursday at 12:49 AM

HugoHugo said:
Wait, is this the same "restrictive and directly involved" compliance office that governs Iowa football? Asking for a friend...

Tampering violations occurred in Iowa football program - NCAA.org
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Have this friend you’re asking for read this from the link you provided.

Ferentz and Budmayr resolved their respective cases through negotiated resolutions and served suspensions, and Ferentz publicly accepted accountability for the violations. The panel noted that the lapse in judgment in this case did not call into question Ferentz's integrity or decades of running a compliant football program and appreciated his cooperation and contrition in this case.

"When respected individuals identify their mistakes and take responsibility for them, it sets the standard for appropriate behavior within their programs, universities and, more importantly, across the broader industry," the panel said in its decision. "The panel appreciates the actions taken by Iowa and Ferentz to publicly address his and his staff member's conduct."

There are two types of errors, errors of judgment which are often forgivable, and errors of intent which aren’t easily forgivable.

HugoHugo · Thursday at 12:11 PM

InTheCircle said:
Have this friend you’re asking for read this from the link you provided.

Ferentz and Budmayr resolved their respective cases through negotiated resolutions and served suspensions, and Ferentz publicly accepted accountability for the violations. The panel noted that the lapse in judgment in this case did not call into question Ferentz's integrity or decades of running a compliant football program and appreciated his cooperation and contrition in this case.

"When respected individuals identify their mistakes and take responsibility for them, it sets the standard for appropriate behavior within their programs, universities and, more importantly, across the broader industry," the panel said in its decision. "The panel appreciates the actions taken by Iowa and Ferentz to publicly address his and his staff member's conduct."

There are two types of errors, errors of judgment which are often forgivable, and errors of intent which aren’t easily forgivable.

If the Iowa Compliance Office is so "restrictive and directly involved" how were Ferentz and Bubmayr not knowledgeable of the guidelines for contacting someone that isn't in the portal?? Is the compliance office not making coaches aware of the most elementary rules of the transfer portal?

I think most college sports fans are aware that contact with an athlete who isn't in the portal is a no-no. Were you aware? I certainly was/am.

Coming clean to the NCAA about inappropriate contact seems like an easily avoidable circumstance.

Corby2 · Thursday at 12:16 PM

HugoHugo said:
If the Iowa Compliance Office is so "restrictive and directly involved" how were Ferentz and Bubmayr not knowledgeable of the guidelines for contacting someone that isn't in the portal?? Is the compliance office not making coaches aware of the most elementary rules of the transfer portal?

I think most college sports fans are aware that contact with an athlete who isn't in the portal is a no-no. Were you aware? I certainly was/am.

Coming clean to the NCAA about inappropriate contact seems like an easily avoidable circumstance.

Compliance doesn't control anyones phone. They tell you what can and can't be done they can't control actions

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