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blacklistedbully

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2022-4th in the East
2023-2nd In the East
2024-4th in the East
So far, 10-12 this year

In the 13 seasons from the start of Opportunity Vandy until NIL in 2022, Vandy had 1 losing record in the SEC. Since NIL they have 2 losing records in 3 seasons and presently headed for 3 in 4.

SEC average wins before Opportunity Vandy was 15. Post Opp Vandy & prior to NIL, average SEC wins was 19. Since NIL it has gone back to 15.

SO GLAD we didn't listen to anybody wanting to hire Tim Corbin.
 
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blacklistedbully said:
2022-4th in the East
2023-2nd In the East
2024-4th in the East
So far, 10-12 this year

In the 13 seasons from the start of Opportunity Vandy until NIL in 2022, Vandy had 1 losing record in the SEC. Since NIL they have 2 losing records in 3 seasons and presently headed for 3 in 4.

SEC average wins before Opportunity Vandy was 15. Post Opp Vandy & prior to NIL, average SEC wins was 19. Since NIL it has gone back to 15.

SO GLAD we didn't listen to anybody wanting to hire Tim Corbin.
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There’s some truth to your argument but it’s also a little bit misleading. They’ve taken a step back, and have not had postseason success since 2021, but they were the #1 overall seed last year and were a Top 8 in 2023 as well. They’ve had more volatility but haven’t exactly fallen off a cliff, either.

If you are looking for a program that has truly fallen off a cliff as the portal and NIL have taken over college baseball, go look at what Stanford has become the last 2-3 years.
 
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MSUDC11-2.0 said:
There’s some truth to your argument but it’s also a little bit misleading. They’ve taken a step back, and have not had postseason success since 2021, but they were the #1 overall seed last year and were a Top 8 in 2023 as well. They’ve had more volatility but haven’t exactly fallen off a cliff, either.

If you are looking for a program that has truly fallen off a cliff as the portal and NIL have taken over college baseball, go look at what Stanford has become the last 2-3 years.
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My post was more about a very-long held opinion that Tim Corbin has been overrated for some time. He didn't become a world-beater at Vandy until after the Opportunity Vanderbilt program kicked in, giving him a massive recruiting and roster advantage.

It's not that he was a bad coach before that, just not anything special. Good, not great.

And let's not pretend his roster was depleted and devoid of talent immediately following the introduction of NIL. He still had studs on his roster. He just didn't have a massive advantage anymore going forward. The more programs rebuild using NIL, the greater the effects on Corbin and Vandy.

The stats I provided should provide q good clue. I don't see them as misleading in the slightest.
 
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What I think Corbin looks like with his baseball helmet on:

Amazon Football GIF by NFL On Prime Video
 
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They have steadily decline. The collectives and NIL are slowly eating away at them. They will always be competitive but not as dominate as they use to be.
 
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blacklistedbully said:
2022-4th in the East
2023-2nd In the East
2024-4th in the East
So far, 10-12 this year

In the 13 seasons from the start of Opportunity Vandy until NIL in 2022, Vandy had 1 losing record in the SEC. Since NIL they have 2 losing records in 3 seasons and presently headed for 3 in 4.

SEC average wins before Opportunity Vandy was 15. Post Opp Vandy & prior to NIL, average SEC wins was 19. Since NIL it has gone back to 15.

SO GLAD we didn't listen to anybody wanting to hire Tim Corbin.
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2025 they were 4th overall and 19-11. #1 National seed, and promptly went 1-2 and out but still.
 
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He’s still a great coach in a league where 14 (15 when South Carolina hires a real coach) of the 16 programs have a pulse. It’s tough to win in this league.
 
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Xenomorph said:
We broke them in Omaha.
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Maybe but there’s other factors. That game was played June 30, 2021. July 1, 2021 NIL becomes legal. Since then Vitello got Tennessee rolling. LSU hired Jay Johnson. Bianco won a championship. Schloss got A&M rolling then takes over Texas. Texas and OU (who played in championship in 2022) are in the league now
 
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I just don't see how it's reasonable to call out a team that was the #1 national seed only a year ago as being on a long-term downward trajectory. The facts - and how baseball works - just don't match up with that. We all know baseball is a somewhat more random game than many other sports, and it is completely plausible that if a couple breaks go their way...or if the regional draw had different teams in them...they go much further. I would trust a 60 game season over a 3 day time period.

Now...if they continue to post .500 or sub-.500 records in conference play multiple years then there is an argument, but I just can't see it based on the recent annual numbers at this point...
 
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blacklistedbully said:
My post was more about a very-long held opinion that Tim Corbin has been overrated for some time. He didn't become a world-beater at Vandy until after the Opportunity Vanderbilt program kicked in, giving him a massive recruiting and roster advantage.

It's not that he was a bad coach before that, just not anything special. Good, not great.

And let's not pretend his roster was depleted and devoid of talent immediately following the introduction of NIL. He still had studs on his roster. He just didn't have a massive advantage anymore going forward. The more programs rebuild using NIL, the greater the effects on Corbin and Vandy.

The stats I provided should provide q good clue. I don't see them as misleading in the slightest.
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You don't win at the clip he did if you're a good, not great, coach. Yeah he had an advantage but he still had to execute. Same as Saban.

There's a reason that coaches gravitate toward the money schools.
 
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Karma for them being able to skip the play in game to get to the championship game. I'm still mad about that. I can't imagine how NC state fans feel.
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They feel like they were cheated. Not just from being able to play in the finals, but from winning the whole thing. Because of that, they feel our championship is invalid or tainted.
 
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tldawg85 said:
I just don't see how it's reasonable to call out a team that was the #1 national seed only a year ago as being on a long-term downward trajectory. The facts - and how baseball works - just don't match up with that. We all know baseball is a somewhat more random game than many other sports, and it is completely plausible that if a couple breaks go their way...or if the regional draw had different teams in them...they go much further. I would trust a 60 game season over a 3 day time period.

Now...if they continue to post .500 or sub-.500 records in conference play multiple years then there is an argument, but I just can't see it based on the recent annual numbers at this point...
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As I posted before, 2 of last 3 seasons are losing in SEC and it looks like it will be 3 of last 4. Compared to the 1 of 13 in the Opp Vandy advantage period, I'd say the jury has already come back on that one.
 
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TheDawg-Pound said:
Karma for them being able to skip the play in game to get to the championship game. I'm still mad about that. I can't imagine how NC state fans feel.
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I was mad about that as well. But we would have beaten either team. I'm also glad we were able to embarrass a fully rested Rocker the way we did. The way the media was constantly gushing over the guy made me sick. NC State didn't have anyone of that caliber.
 
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MSUDC11-2.0 said:
There’s some truth to your argument but it’s also a little bit misleading. They’ve taken a step back, and have not had postseason success since 2021, but they were the #1 overall seed last year and were a Top 8 in 2023 as well. They’ve had more volatility but haven’t exactly fallen off a cliff, either.

If you are looking for a program that has truly fallen off a cliff as the portal and NIL have taken over college baseball, go look at what Stanford has become the last 2-3 years.
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This. I was scrolling the college baseball games last weekend and came across Stanford and Notre Dame. I saw Stanford's record and remembered I hadn't heard much out of them the last few years. Im looked up their records and the last three years are yuck. They went to 3 straight CWS from 21-23, but have been 22-33 in 2024, 27-25 in 2025, and 22-22 so far this year. Sad at what's happened to that once proud program.
 
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blacklistedbully said:
As I posted before, 2 of last 3 seasons are losing in SEC and it looks like it will be 3 of last 4. Compared to the 1 of 13 in the Opp Vandy advantage period, I'd say the jury has already come back on that one.
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Not so fast my friend on the losing SEC record. They are 10-14 with SC and Missouri left. They could actually still sneak into a regional with a 5-1 or 6-0 finish. 4-2 gets them to 14-16 in the SEC. If I'm not mistaken isn't that the magic number to get in?
 
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msudawg1200 said:
Not so fast my friend on the losing SEC record. They are 10-14 with SC and Missouri left. They could actually still sneak into a regional with a 5-1 or 6-0 finish. 4-2 gets them to 14-16 in the SEC. If I'm not mistaken isn't that the magic number to get in?
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Hard not to see them winning 4 from those 2 series. But with severely unbalanced SEC schedules I don’t think league record really matters anymore. 14-16 vs a schedule that includes Mizzou & SoCar could be very different than 14-16 vs a schedule that includes neither.
 
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blacklistedbully said:
As I posted before, 2 of last 3 seasons are losing in SEC and it looks like it will be 3 of last 4. Compared to the 1 of 13 in the Opp Vandy advantage period, I'd say the jury has already come back on that one.
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And it wasn’t just NIL. In August 2020 the ncaa started allowing schools to stack scholarships which dented their advantage as well. The timelines on all this couldn’t be more clear bc their rise tracks the creation of OV
 
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msudawg1200 said:
Not so fast my friend on the losing SEC record. They are 10-14 with SC and Missouri left. They could actually still sneak into a regional with a 5-1 or 6-0 finish. 4-2 gets them to 14-16 in the SEC. If I'm not mistaken isn't that the magic number to get in?
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They have a major RPI problem. 14 wins isn’t getting them in. They need at least 15 or 16 to even have a chance.

SEC teams have been left out with 14 and 15 league wins before. I don’t think a 16 win SEC team has ever been left out. But Vandy would need to sweep both weekends to get to 16.
 
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They have a major RPI problem. 14 wins isn’t getting them in. They need at least 15 or 16 to even have a chance.

SEC teams have been left out with 14 and 15 league wins before. I don’t think a 16 win SEC team has ever been left out. But Vandy would need to sweep both weekends to get to 16.
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Yikes. #71 right now and only predicted to move up to #66 even with a sweep of those 6 games. Vandy's toast unless they win the SEC tournament.
 
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I can't imagine how NC state fans feel.
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You can't? I invite you to go to twitter any time our name is mentioned and they'll tell you ALLLL about how they were cheated.

1. We would have beaten that *** anyway in the finals. Prove me wrong.
2. If anyone, they need to point their anger at Vandy (who got the direct benefit) instead of us.
3. I don't see how it's our fault they all got sick and couldn't field a team. Sorry, I guess?

But they won't listen to reason. They're still bittching about it.
 
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patdog said:
Yikes. #71 right now and only predicted to move up to #66 even with a sweep of those 6 games. Vandy's toast unless they win the SEC tournament.
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Yeah they desperately needed to win a game or two in Tuscaloosa and got swept. I kinda think they’re toast too.
 
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They have a major RPI problem. 14 wins isn’t getting them in. They need at least 15 or 16 to even have a chance.

SEC teams have been left out with 14 and 15 league wins before. I don’t think a 16 win SEC team has ever been left out. But Vandy would need to sweep both weekends to get to 16.
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Brian mentioned on the pod that no SEC team has ever been left out at 14-16. I think at 14 wins they'll be teetering on the edge, but they will probably get in
 
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WrightGuy821 said:
Brian mentioned on the pod that no SEC team has ever been left out at 14-16. I think at 14 wins they'll be teetering on the edge, but they will probably get in
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Brian is misinformed. It hasn’t happened since 2017 but there have absolutely been 14-16 teams get left out, there have even been a few 15-15 teams get left out, most of this happened in the mid 2010’s.
 
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