SIAP - Starkville announces new Cotton District safety measures after weekend shooting

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L4Dawg

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Well, we will see, no cover or metal detectors though. It also doesn't include the locations of the shootings. Hopefully it works and the district stays vibrant.
 

L4Dawg

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The shooting would likely never have happened had this been in place though. Because the hope is this sends the troublemakers elsewhere.
Hopefully this works. It's good that there is no cover. That would have killed the district. Airport or sporting event type security would have too. Good compromise.
 
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The concern is this just moves the problem to Rick’s parking lot or Dave’s or downtown or to some of the gas station parking lots in town. I hope this helps keep the district safe but doesn’t have alternate effects.
 
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SOmebody more familiar with the area, are there already fences around the apartments and buildings fronting the security area? Or are they going to have to add a bunch of temporary fencing to actually make that area secure?
 

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The concern is this just moves the problem to Rick’s parking lot or Dave’s or downtown or to some of the gas station parking lots in town. I hope this helps keep the district safe but doesn’t have alternate effects.
It might be easier to enforce loitering laws in parking lots than on a city sidewalk. Idk, I'm not a lawyer.
 

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I appreciate the cities response and taking this seriously. Could've done without the mayors gaslighting online last week, that's not what leaders do. I do think they should amend this map and have the entry at Lummus right past Uno Mas .
 

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Is it perfect, no, but it’s a really good start. Any time you roll out something new like this, there’s going to be a learning curve and tweaks along the way. Credit to SPD and the City for actually taking action. Sure, you can argue it should’ve been done years ago, but at this point it’s about moving forward and making it better. Good start and thankful for them taking action.
 
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There aren't any fences around the apartments. But last football season, the condos near Hobies had 3-4 security guards sitting at the parking lot entrance off Maxwell and in front of the building on weekends.

I kinda thought that was unnecessary at the time but not so much today.
 

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The shooting would likely never have happened had this been in place though. Because the hope is this sends the troublemakers elsewhere.
They already were elsewhere. They were 200 yards down Maxwell. And regardless, all the individuals were from Starkville, knew each other and were presumably all going out together regardless, so one would think the shooting was just as likely to happen in the parking lot at Ricks or Level III or wherever else they would have gone that night.

That being said….on the surface, this seems to be a good, common sense response that doesn’t really add undue burden to anyone, unless it’s not adequately staffed.
 
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I imagine this response will be temporary as well just to calm everything down for a little bit. Wouldn't imagine much need for this between baseball season and when football kicks off.
 

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They already were elsewhere. They were 200 yards down Maxwell. And regardless, all the individuals were from Starkville, knew each other and were presumably all going out together regardless, so one would think the shooting was just as likely to happen in the parking lot at Ricks or Level III or wherever else they would have gone that night.

That being said….on the surface, this seems to be a good, common sense response that doesn’t really add undue burden to anyone, unless it’s not adequately staffed.
But those people likely don’t even congregate there that night if these rules are in place. And yes, other places need to be secure too but the CD is the single most important area off campus for Mississippi State and Starkville. You have to feel safe there
 

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But those people likely don’t even congregate there that night if these rules are in place. And yes, other places need to be secure too but the CD is the single most important area off campus for Mississippi State and Starkville. You have to feel safe there
I think they were there because that’s where the party was. It’s not rocket science.

It’s an odd thought process to think that a group of individuals who were dumb enough to discharge a firearm in the most heavily policed area in Starkville would somehow be smart enough to not even show up at all just because they start checking ID’s a couple hundred yards away.

Again, the measures above still make sense. They create an infrastructure to where police don’t have to invest as many resources or attention on what they normally do (check for underage drinking), so that more resources and attention are a available for more serious crimes. But, its still an enforcement issue at the end of the day. Not a city policy issue.
 

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I think they were there because that’s where the party was. It’s not rocket science.

It’s an odd thought process to think that a group of individuals who were dumb enough to discharge a firearm in the most heavily policed area in Starkville would somehow be smart enough to not even show up at all just because they start checking ID’s a couple hundred yards away.

Again, the measures above still make sense. They create an infrastructure to where police don’t have to invest as many resources or attention on what they normally do (check for underage drinking), so that more resources and attention are a available for more serious crimes. But, its still an enforcement issue at the end of the day. Not a city policy issue.
They weee there bc it’s an entertainment district where the can loiter. That’s what happens in entertainment districts until guardrails/friction is put in place to make them stop. But totally agree it’s also about enforcing laws. The police failed everyone on this bc it’s been building and happening. What I don’t like is making people re enter after 10. That screws the businesses inside the perimeter. Let those bars sell the bands at a small price to those that enter before 10 to compensate them for the trouble. That way patrons aren’t leaving their place
 

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They weee there bc it’s an entertainment district where the can loiter. That’s what happens in entertainment districts until guardrails/friction is put in place to make them stop. But totally agree it’s also about enforcing laws. The police failed everyone on this bc it’s been building and happening. What I don’t like is making people re enter after 10. That screws the businesses inside the perimeter. Let those bars sell the bands at a small price to those that enter before 10 to compensate them for the trouble. That way patrons aren’t leaving their place
Maybe I didn't read closely enough, but I don't see where they're going to do that? If they want to be on the street after 10, then yes it seems like they might have to go back to the entrance or be at risk of getting stopped. But if they're in a business, I doubt the business is going to ask them to leave because they don't have a wrist band unless they aren't spending money or are causing problems.
 

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Maybe I didn't read closely enough, but I don't see where they're going to do that? If they want to be on the street after 10, then yes it seems like they might have to go back to the entrance or be at risk of getting stopped. But if they're in a business, I doubt the business is going to ask them to leave because they don't have a wrist band unless they aren't spending money or are causing problems.
It’s just says if you don’t have a bracelet by 10 you have to re enter. Now I don’t envision they will clear the bars out at 10 so if you stay in your bar until you want to permanently leave the defined area I’m sure you are fine. But if you want to walk to another bar in the area you would be asked to leave and re enter if they see you
 

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It’s just says if you don’t have a bracelet by 10 you have to re enter. Now I don’t envision they will clear the bars out at 10 so if you stay in your bar until you want to permanently leave the defined area I’m sure you are fine. But if you want to walk to another bar in the area you would be asked to leave and re enter if they see you

The bars could give out wristbands starting at 9:30. They should have already checked their IDs if they are buying alcohol. They are paying customers, which has not been the problem according to what people have said about these groups.

This might not be the perfect solution, but it’s probably better than people leaving to reenter for a wrist band.
 

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They weee there bc it’s an entertainment district where the can loiter. That’s what happens in entertainment districts until guardrails/friction is put in place to make them stop. But totally agree it’s also about enforcing laws. The police failed everyone on this bc it’s been building and happening. What I don’t like is making people re enter after 10. That screws the businesses inside the perimeter. Let those bars sell the bands at a small price to those that enter before 10 to compensate them for the trouble. That way patrons aren’t leaving their place
Similar to a neighborhood that adds a gate that opens automatically when a car pulls up. It's not like that gate is stopping criminals 100% from coming in at all, but it adds that level of friction (not to mention opportunities for tag readers/ID checks, cameras, etc) so they will think twice about coming in, or hopefully decide it's not worth it and go hang out somewhere else.

This is not going as far as I might have, but at least it's something.
 
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The bars could give out wristbands starting at 9:30. They should have already checked their IDs if they are buying alcohol. They are paying customers, which has not been the problem according to what people have said about these groups.

This might not be the perfect solution, but it’s probably better than people leaving to reenter for a wrist band.
I ate dinner at Boardtown Pizza after the LSU game on Saturday. Not sure what time I got there (maybe a little after 10:00), but they were checking ID's and issuing wristbands at the door when I got there. Not a difficult problem for the bars/restaurants to do it. They could certainly refuse service to anyone they thought wouldn't be a paying customer.
 
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