$7MM man…
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Problem with that is today if a 3* shows any potential he’s just going to transfer to LSU or somewhere else. The days of player development are over.
Have a good friend who told me during the baseball game, if he hit the lottery for billions, he would not donate one red cent to the MSU NIL. He said he might donate to some athletic facilities or something educationally MSU-related.....but never to the NIL. I haven't donated any money to the NIL either and probably won't. And I think there are a lot of folk who think the same, whether they admit it to you or not.
Meh. The portal has been pretty neutral for us. Our retention was pretty good this year.
So you (and your 'friend') are the reason we can't have nice things. Thanks for nothing!!
It isn't just msu fans either. See Troy Aikmans comments on giving to nil.
Also I ran into a guy that has connections at OhState. He had photos with Meyer and Ryan Day. Dude said he gives a lot of money to OhSt but not one cent of nil because of the things he knows from within.
That's why I believe if this kid is getting $7m at small population state like Kansas. It's probably mostly from Nike and other corporate sponsorship.
I assure you Kansas is on the hook for at minimum of 5 mil but probably more than that in this deal. .....
I disagree. He wouldn’t have near the takes he has if he had any info regarding our ATH Dept.
We lost a few but we gained more than we lost. And this past year we retained everyone we wanted to retain. So your knowledge about how we operate isn’t even limited. It’s non existent.
I don't think money is why we're in this mess. I think it all goes back to bad decisions.
Putting Cohen in charge.
Not jumping on NIL from the start.
Hiding Arnett/ him not sticking with leach offensive system the first year.
Hiring a defensive minded basketball coach and spending a majority of our basketball money on an offensive player that isn't great at defense and not having help for him on offense/ shifting away from a defensive minded team.
Hiring the coach UM wanted next but we didn't have the team in place to support him/ was a rebuild/ should have gone with someone seasoned that could bring players with him with the unlimited transfer rule currently to help lessen the rebuild.
I'm not saying money isn't playing a part but you all ask like UM and everyone else has this unlimited bag of money and we are on food stamps. It's been a down year for the SEC in football. We could have capitalized if not for the bad decisions above. We finally have an AD that's getting our NIL going and raising money. People are donating millions. Millions yall kept saying we didn't have.
Take a step back
Agree. Money is the easy cop out. When it’s mostly bad decisions. Like I said, we would be in such a better position had we kept Kennedy and hired just a solid G5 DC. And now we have no LT bc we didn’t really understand the importance of locking Jayvin down while very proudly going after a guy we were never gonna get.
I agree about decisions. But it's also about money. We simply don't stack up to our SEC peers in big spending, which is what's needed for football. We can do a little in basketball and obviously are willing and able in baseball. This is fact.
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We already had the collective at that point.
And yes, Jans made, or was pressured to make, a bad path for the basketball program.
And yes, Heavy Lebby was a bad hire. Selman had no idea what we needed because he was also a bad hire.
We keep saying this, and I think it's just jealousy because Ole Miss did this from the start. But they were also ABLE to do it. We weren't. It wasn't for lack of trying. Cohen knew it back in 2022:
Mississippi State AD John Cohen calls current NIL model ‘unsustainable’ in Starkville Rotary Club talk
Cohen expressed his disdain for how NIL has become in ways a pay-for-play scenario for many college athletes but said all MSU can do for now is play by the rules.
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We already had the collective at that point.
Agree on all. Arnett made a dumb decision because we didn't have an AD in place to keep him in check. But that was because we ran off Cohen.
And yes, Jans made, or was pressured to make, a bad path for the basketball program.
And yes, Heavy Lebby was a bad hire. Selman had no idea what we needed because he was also a bad hire.
Selman was hired for fund raising and he's done a good job of that, even though we're behind the curve still in football. And that money is being wasted on everything except baseball. We do not have a plan.
Every AD says this is unsustainable. They have yet to be proven right and it’s just to try to sway the rules in favor of the schools. Cohen really put us behind the 8 ball.I agree about decisions. But it's also about money. We simply don't stack up to our SEC peers in big spending, which is what's needed for football. We can do a little in basketball and obviously are willing and able in baseball. This is fact.
We keep saying this, and I think it's just jealousy because Ole Miss did this from the start. But they were also ABLE to do it. We weren't. It wasn't for lack of trying. Cohen knew it back in 2022:
Mississippi State AD John Cohen calls current NIL model ‘unsustainable’ in Starkville Rotary Club talk
Cohen expressed his disdain for how NIL has become in ways a pay-for-play scenario for many college athletes but said all MSU can do for now is play by the rules.
We already had the collective at that point.
Agree on all. Arnett made a dumb decision because we didn't have an AD in place to keep him in check. But that was because we ran off Cohen.
And yes, Jans made, or was pressured to make, a bad path for the basketball program.
And yes, Heavy Lebby was a bad hire. Selman had no idea what we needed because he was also a bad hire.
Selman was hired for fund raising and he's done a good job of that, even though we're behind the curve still in football. And that money is being wasted on everything except baseball. We do not have a plan.
That's not the point. The point is MSU is just behind everyone else with money. The reason why everyone blames Cohen is because he was just the one there when this 'oh shlt' moment happened with all of us.
I know many of you don't like to hear this.....but Ole Miss has more money than us. Quite a bit more.
You just referenced an article on NIL with JC involved… you never cease to amaze me how stupid you are.I agree about decisions. But it's also about money. We simply don't stack up to our SEC peers in big spending, which is what's needed for football. We can do a little in basketball and obviously are willing and able in baseball. This is fact.
We keep saying this, and I think it's just jealousy because Ole Miss did this from the start. But they were also ABLE to do it. We weren't. It wasn't for lack of trying. Cohen knew it back in 2022:
Mississippi State AD John Cohen calls current NIL model ‘unsustainable’ in Starkville Rotary Club talk
Cohen expressed his disdain for how NIL has become in ways a pay-for-play scenario for many college athletes but said all MSU can do for now is play by the rules.
We already had the collective at that point.
Agree on all. Arnett made a dumb decision because we didn't have an AD in place to keep him in check. But that was because we ran off Cohen.
And yes, Jans made, or was pressured to make, a bad path for the basketball program.
And yes, Heavy Lebby was a bad hire. Selman had no idea what we needed because he was also a bad hire.
Selman was hired for fund raising and he's done a good job of that, even though we're behind the curve still in football. And that money is being wasted on everything except baseball. We do not have a plan.
here is where we stood in 25 and it’s only going to grow in 25 and beyond and no it’s not all Rev share related. We are no longer last in the sec
No one is saying we are or can out-money anyone. No one has ever said that. But we have given Lebby plenty of money to get better and be more competitive. This comes down to evals on the portal- tons of kids out there. But this staff isn’t great at recruiting. Money isn’t why we are where we are. Had we gone 8-4 last year like we could have no one would be bemoaning the money. People blame Cohen b/c he was an awful AD. And it started with his decision to take the AD job in November making hiring a baseball coach harder than it needed to be.
Tell me you didn’t click on the link without telling me you didn’t click on the link….
To add to this, I think it’s important to remember that not only did we not jump on it. As usual, we spent more time, money, and resources worrying about being 17ing compliant with “the new landscape’ while every school around us was absolutely lapping us. Anyone with half a brain could see exactly where this was going and that the NCAA was rapidly losing power, but while everyone else jumped on the NIL train, we were the terrified child in the back of the room that was worried more about getting called to the principal’s office than succeeding
I applaud Duke for this deal. Just seems hypocritical that college players - regardless of age - get criticized for doing the same damn thing their college has been doing for years.
It’s been a running joke for decades, but seriously… who needs the NCAA when we’re so good at putting ourselves on probation and post season bans?
That’s pretty interesting. I guess they’re getting around the ACC media agreement since those aren’t conference games? I guess I would’ve just thought that if it was this easy for a school to broker its own tv deal, many would’ve already done it, so I’m curious as to how Duke managed this
That’s because most ADs aren’t business people. You know what really wasn’t sustainable. The drunken sailor spending that these athletic departments poured into facilities. Did they think the O’bannon ruling from 11 years ago would just lay dormant?
Is that L4 there in the back with his leg sticking out? What he and others don’t realize is that the smart people are showing up in the space now (the Big 12 PE deal. The Duke Amazon deal). We are a long ******* way from hitting critical mass.
This is true if it was we would be ranked much higher. But the fact remains we are increasing our numbers in funding in football and only getting higher. The point is We are no longer the last ranked team in the sec when it comes to funding football.
