Nothing I said was factually inaccurate while you are inaccurate in assuming that I am a PSU fan.
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It is really a vicious cycle. Get the best wrestlers year after year, have those wrestlers have success. The next generation of young studs see your success, get the best wrestlers again. Good coaching with the best talent up and down your lineup is the key. Only way to stop the PSU machine imo is to start out recruiting Carl somehow someway. Do that for 3 or 4 years, upset the apple cart, and start getting the larger share of the best wrestlers. That is the only way to do it. That is a lot harder than it sounds and it takes lots of money. When PSU has a team with 6 or 7 number one ranked wrestlers it is pretty tough to overtake them unless you start getting those #1 P4P guys on your team.
Well, that's happing right now at Oklahoma State.
Yep, program building 101. Combine it with strong development and you have the making of a dynasty.
I would agree. The question is whether DT can keep stacking recruits consistently year after year (he appears to be able too)? If he does, Okie will be legitimately challenging Carl in another 2 years or so.
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Because 2020 didn't happen so Cael has won 13 of the past 15 national championship that were actually contested. Is this really that hard to understand??
Why are you people counting a National Championship that wasn't even contested? I know you want to count that year as Cael not winning a championship but don't you think he should have at least been given the chance?
Says the guy trying to count 2020 as a non championship year for Cael even though his team wasn't even given the chance to compete for it. That's about as dumb as you people claiming Iowa was the 2020 champion. When Unicef gets into the wrestling game ...let me know. I'll gift the 2020 championship to those kids in Iowa..
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He started off with the Paulsons and Backes right before he became "special assistant". He would then add Fanthorpe, Gallick, Cyler(brother), Mueller, Fanthorpe, VARNER, ZABRISKIE, READER, Sebolt, Clark, Jensen, Carr Jr., BROWN, Long, Spangler, Thompson, TAYLOR.
That is a lot of high end recruits in a very short time frame...
So, the year 2020 never happened? Interesting. I guess I haven't turned 50 yet then...Awesome!
Hypocrisy at its best. Every PSU fan on here LOVES to count that year as Iowa NOT winning a championship, wouldn't the same thing then apply to PSU???
Wtf are you talking about? You can't count a win OR loss for any program in 2020 BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER CONTESTED. The NCAA doesn't count the year so why would you or anyone else count it as a loss for PSU or Iowa? This is getting dumb real quick like...
What ? No one won it that year. In case you're not counting that was six years ago.
My bad. Didn't know I needed to be most specific in my reply to all those on here that may not easily understand or feel the need to use their brain when being addressed. The 2020 National Championships DID NOT HAPPEN. There....hope this helps.
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You don't need money , you need to find an all-time great wrestling coach before anyone knows he's at that level. Then hire the guy and wait a few years.
Could be totally wrong here but I think he's living in a fantasy world in that noggin of his in that Iowa really was the 2020 National Champion and PSU wasn't. I'm not gonna criticize tho.... maybe it helps him sleep at night.
I know math is hard for some but that year happened regardless of the NCAA tournament being cancelled so no one won it and that would make him 13 of the last 16 years. Ignoring it only works because they were major underdogs that year. But, I am sure you know that part…
You absolutely do need money. How are you going to afford this all-time great unproven coach without it? You also are not getting these recruits to come without paying them handily. Do you really think PSU, Okie St., and Iowa are getting stud recruits to come for free just for the coaching?! You can't honestly believe that?!
You’re being so slow. It doesn’t count in the numerator, or denominator, for any coach when calculating their championship winning percentage because the tournament was canceled. 2020 as a year happened, but the tournament didn’t. If you wanna be obtuse about their phrasing & intent you do you.
Oh for F' sake - try rephrasing it to NCAA Finals actually held versus total years. And by the way, Iowa did win the Big Ten's that year and that was a pretty solid indicator of what would have happened if the Finals actually took place.
Yeah and Iowa was your 2022 National Champion until they weren't. And Spencer Lee was your first 4 time national champ until he wasn't.
Please forgive me if I don't feel compelled to gift the Hawkeyes anything...
Blah blah blah. Another boring PSU troll.
Brown and Reader wouldn't crack the lineup at today's psu. You think either are beating out Mess or Haines? They have multiple guys exceeding Varner and Zabriske college accomplishments on every roster. Hell, they're bringing in a Taylor or two every year now.
The rest wouldn't even see the mat much less get recruited to psu. To pretend his recruiting didn't jump SIGNIFICANT levels with the move to PSU is laughable.
Sometimes I need reminders on who is a moron. This thread was very helpful, thank you to people who contributed.
An undefeated 39-0 at a weight with studs like Mack Lewnes could absolutely beat Haines. The same can be said for Brown. He was a staple at a super deep 174. Then you diminish how good Varner was? CTFO…
You can't be serious. Haines has gone 2, 1, 3, 1 with what 4 total losses? Not to mention age group world gold and senior world silver.
Varner was a stud no doubt. But on current psu roster he'd just be another one of many. How many guys has PSU had in the past 10 years win 2 titles? Hell Barr is on track to exceed Varner and he wasn't even expected to be the guaranteed guy at 97 for all 4 years.
Your take was bad. Admit it and move on FOR ONCE.
Recency bias is a terrible thing. Reader was an absolute stud at a very talented weight class. Only a moron dismisses a guy that went 39-0. I am sorry but that is plain stupid.
Who was the better collegiate wrestler, Levi Haines or Jon Reader?
I'll help you out, one lost 4 matches in 4 years, the other 23.
Let's see if you have the ability to answer honestly.
One had two years battling significant injuries and then got healthy and DOMINATED his senior year. Hell, I am not even saying he is better, just that he was absolutely a recruit at that level, which was the entire point of the list…
These are all true:
PSU has won national titles 13 of the last 16 years.
PSU has won 13 of the last 15 NCAA tournaments.
PSU has been the best NCAA wrestling team in 13 of the last 16 years.
PSU has won national titles 13 of the last 16 years.
PSU has won 13 of the last 15 NCAA tournaments.
PSU has been the best NCAA wrestling team in 13 of the last 16 years.
If we are going to throw strays at Cael's ISU guys. I will go to the grave saying if Danimal isn't injured then Zabriskie never wins that season.
Can't even answer a simple black and white question. And you wonder why people give you crap.
Yes, and Ross from Iowa was Taylor’s first big head to head recruiting battle he won over PSU.
Let’s not forget the brilliant money laundering PSU used in the early days to start the stockpiling of blue chip recruits. This was important when you had to work with 9.9 scholarships, no nil, no revenue sharing. Of coarse as Bob said, there is still the under the table shady ways to funnel money to guys in addition to the allowable ways.
Hmmm.... made me think of Spencer being the Head Coach at Pitt. It might be more fun to build a program of your own than to tend to Gable's program.
But Ohio State has 2020 National Champion banners hanging for Luke Pletcher and Kollin Moore. Are you saying Pletcher and Moore weren’t national champions?
Pre-NIL, with all the in-state PA wrestling talent, Cael should have calculated all 9.9 scholarships on the out of state tuition rate and then used the money on in-state PA recruits.
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To me, that is the most ridiculous thing lol. I'm fully on board with recognition of the AA honors awarded that year, like Iowa putting the names on the wall of All Americans for it, but trying to recognize individual or team national championship awards doesn't make any sense for an event that was never contested