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Plenty of us will be headed to Iowa City on Saturday to watch the guys in person for the first time this year. Will there be a unit you'll be keeping an eye on?

My most concerned group is the D-Line. We lost a lot of experience and leadership to graduation. Plenty of new faces from the portal and coming off the bench for the first time. If Iowa wants to get to the next echelon of football, we need a great D-Line that can pressure a QB.

The RB room is stacked, and I'm excited to see how they've progressed. I really would like to see Phillips run some guys over.
 
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punter and kicker - former has experience but needs to take a big step forward, kicker will no doubt determine some games. new ST coach as well
 
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Every analyst not based out of Iowa City has the Iowa QB room ranked dead last in the Big 10. Kind of concerning, no?

For reasons unknown, Hawk fans are intentionally oblivious that the most important position on the entire football team is so lowly regarded. Handing over the starting QB role to a 5'11, 190 lb "pocket passer" who has thrown 2 career passes in college should be terrifying to a rational fan base. We already saw what his backup could do last year and let's just say it's not reassuring.
 
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IowaLaw said:
Every analyst not based out of Iowa City has the Iowa QB room ranked dead last in the Big 10. Kind of concerning, no?

For reasons unknown, Hawk fans are intentionally oblivious that the most important position on the entire football team is so lowly regarded. Handing over the starting QB role to a 5'11, 190 lb "pocket passer" who has thrown 2 career passes in college should be terrifying to a rational fan base. We already saw what his backup could do last year and let's just say it's not reassuring.
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It's as if both of our QBs are unproven due to so little play time. Might want to start using that big brain of yours, fella.
 
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IowaLaw said:
Every analyst not based out of Iowa City has the Iowa QB room ranked dead last in the Big 10. Kind of concerning, no?

For reasons unknown, Hawk fans are intentionally oblivious that the most important position on the entire football team is so lowly regarded. Handing over the starting QB role to a 5'11, 190 lb "pocket passer" who has thrown 2 career passes in college should be terrifying to a rational fan base. We already saw what his backup could do last year and let's just say it's not reassuring.
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2D said:
Plenty of us will be headed to Iowa City on Saturday to watch the guys in person for the first time this year. Will there be a unit you'll be keeping an eye on?

My most concerned group is the D-Line. We lost a lot of experience and leadership to graduation. Plenty of new faces from the portal and coming off the bench for the first time. If Iowa wants to get to the next echelon of football, we need a great D-Line that can pressure a QB.

The RB room is stacked, and I'm excited to see how they've progressed. I really would like to see Phillips run some guys over.
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Next echelon? What would that be, exactly?
 
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IowaLaw said:
Every analyst not based out of Iowa City has the Iowa QB room ranked dead last in the Big 10. Kind of concerning, no?

For reasons unknown, Hawk fans are intentionally oblivious that the most important position on the entire football team is so lowly regarded. Handing over the starting QB role to a 5'11, 190 lb "pocket passer" who has thrown 2 career passes in college should be terrifying to a rational fan base. We already saw what his backup could do last year and let's just say it's not reassuring.
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Why terrified? Iowa has been winning all along. While, guys like you have been saying their qb play has been awful all along.

I get that it's a group of players, rather than one. But at Iowa, I would say o-line is the most important position (on offense).

Also not a single position, but one could make the argument that special teams, at Iowa, is more important than qb
 
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Special teams, special teams and special teams
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I'd agree with this. Special teams was a letdown last year with how many miscues they had. And with a new coordinator, kicker, punter, and PR, they have a lot of work to do.
 
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Remember everyone, ignore the retard! He isn't an Iowa fan and does whatever it takes to derail threads he doesn't like. Luckily he knows nothing about football, or sports in general, so just laugh and move on.
 
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IowaLaw said:
Every analyst not based out of Iowa City has the Iowa QB room ranked dead last in the Big 10. Kind of concerning, no?

For reasons unknown, Hawk fans are intentionally oblivious that the most important position on the entire football team is so lowly regarded. Handing over the starting QB role to a 5'11, 190 lb "pocket passer" who has thrown 2 career passes in college should be terrifying to a rational fan base. We already saw what his backup could do last year and let's just say it's not reassuring.
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Exactly how much stock do you put into these national analysts? Do you think they are truly privy to outstanding inside information coming from the program?

Whose opinion should I value more?

National Analysts? Tim Lester?

Tim Lester? National Analysts?

That’s a tough one, indeed
 
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2D said:
Remember everyone, ignore the retard! He isn't an Iowa fan and does whatever it takes to derail threads he doesn't like. Luckily he knows nothing about football, or sports in general, so just laugh and move on.
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Remember everyone, 2Different is a liar
 
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Imagine being so retarded that you think saying team game actually means anything, when each unit has different levels of talent, leadership, experience, etc. But a vast majority of sports are team game, like basketball for example. But that doesn't stop a certain retard from hyperfixating on the point guard position. But if that's just a team game too, then focusing on a point guard is irrelevant.

Like I said, he knows nothing about sports, and he'll never succeed in policing fans.
 
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IowaLaw said:
Every analyst not based out of Iowa City has the Iowa QB room ranked dead last in the Big 10. Kind of concerning, no?

For reasons unknown, Hawk fans are intentionally oblivious that the most important position on the entire football team is so lowly regarded. Handing over the starting QB role to a 5'11, 190 lb "pocket passer" who has thrown 2 career passes in college should be terrifying to a rational fan base. We already saw what his backup could do last year and let's just say it's not reassuring.
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Drew Tate wasn’t a monster lol … I don’t care if he’s 5’4 but if he has wheels and can pass like his teammates have been raving about? Tall shmall… who gives a ****
 
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2D said:
Imagine being so retarded that you think saying team game actually means anything, when each unit has different levels of talent, leadership, experience, etc. But a vast majority of sports are team game, like basketball for example. But that doesn't stop a certain retard from hyperfixating on the point guard position. But if that's just a team game too, then focusing on a point guard is irrelevant.

Like I said, he knows nothing about sports, and he'll never succeed in policing fans.
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You continue to mischaracterize freely
 
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IowaLaw said:
Every analyst not based out of Iowa City has the Iowa QB room ranked dead last in the Big 10. Kind of concerning, no?

For reasons unknown, Hawk fans are intentionally oblivious that the most important position on the entire football team is so lowly regarded. Handing over the starting QB role to a 5'11, 190 lb "pocket passer" who has thrown 2 career passes in college should be terrifying to a rational fan base. We already saw what his backup could do last year and let's just say it's not reassuring.
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Maybe it’s because the other 17 schools having a returning starter or transfer who started elsewhere. But I’m sure if Iowa brought in a transfer you’d find a way to complain about how we can’t develop qbs and spent NIL $ on a qb when we could’ve used it elsewhere.
 
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iahawkeyes17 said:
Maybe it’s because the other 17 schools having a returning starter or transfer who started elsewhere. But I’m sure if Iowa brought in a transfer you’d find a way to complain about how we can’t develop qbs and spent NIL $ on a qb when we could’ve used it elsewhere.
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Totally understand what you’re saying and the QB position is just something you cannot gamble on. We will see if they made the right decision here soon.
 
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2D said:
It's as if both of our QBs are unproven due to so little play time. Might want to start using that big brain of yours, fella.
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And THAT is your argument that fans shouldn't be at all concerned about the QB position?? lol

Did it occur to you they are unproven because they have not been good enough to see the field? Whereas every other Big 10 team with a war chest similar to Iowas realized QB is the most important position on the field and opted not to gamble on it by relying on unproven players with questionable talent?

On the bright side, it sounds like Hecklinski went 3 of 14 in the spring game last weekend. Better than Cade McNamera, perhaps, but worse than every other Big 10 QB by a mile. Nothing to worry about at QB though. We can rest easy because 2D and his big brain says Iowa is in good hands because the QBs are coming in with little playing time.
 
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AnonymousNolonger said:
Exactly how much stock do you put into these national analysts? Do you think they are truly privy to outstanding inside information coming from the program?

Whose opinion should I value more?

National Analysts? Tim Lester?

Tim Lester? National Analysts?

That’s a tough one, indeed
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You're right @AnonymousNolonger. Tim Lester is indeed the end all be all when it comes to QB talent. After all, in his 2 years as Iowa's offensive coordinator, he's coached:

2024: The Big 10's 17th rated QB (130th pass offense nationally)
2025: The Big 10's 16th rated QB (129th pass offense nationally)

It's almost like he's a "QB whisperer" and can do no wrong at the position like his trusty WR coach Bud. If a low regarded 5'10 pocket passer is the best Lester can recruit...that alone is enough proof for you that he's going to be great! National analysts know nothing about talent...unless they rate a Hawkeye highly like they did Iowa's OL going into last year.
 
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And THAT is your argument that fans shouldn't be at all concerned about the QB position?? lol They are unproven because they have not been good enough to see the field whereas every other Big 10 team with a war chest similar to Iowas realized that QB is the most important position on the field and shouldn't be gambled on with unproven players with questionable talent.

For the record, it sounds like Hecklinski went 3 of 14 in the spring game last weekend. Nothing to worry about at all because...like...Phil Parker is a great DC or something.
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Who said we shouldn't be concerned? Where did I say that, specifically? Oh yeah, I didn't lol. Everyone is worried about the QB, it's no different than any other year.

Both are unproven, young players thay have had experienced upper classmates ahead of them at both Iowa and previous schools.

For the record, worrying about arbitrary rankings from nobody news outlets and analysts on social media isn't the best look for someone who advertises themselves as an intellectual. Also, the numbers you provided for Hecklinski aren't accurate at all, so great job there.

I think we'll be taking a step back this year, whoever our QB is. But to give up on them before the season starts is weak ****.
 
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You're right @AnonymousNolonger. Tim Lester is indeed the end all be all when it comes to QB talent. After all, in his 2 years as Iowa's offensive coordinator, he's coached:

2024: The Big 10's 17th rated QB (130th pass offense nationally)
2025: The Big 10's 16th rated QB (129th pass offense nationally)

It's almost like he's a "QB whisperer" and can do no wrong at the position like his trusty WR coach Bud. If a low regarded 5'10 pocket passer is the best Lester can recruit...that alone is enough proof for you that he's going to be great! National analysts know nothing about talent...unless they rate a Hawkeye highly like they did Iowa's OL going into last year.
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How did Coach Barnett’s first few OL’s rate?
Was he clueless about the OL? Or was it just never going to be an overnight fix?

All indications are showing he may know what he’s doing after all.

Likewise, anyone who thought the Iowa passing game was going to be an overnight fix, was kidding themselves.

Lowly regarded 5’10” pocket passer(Hecklinski) is the best he can recruit? Bessinger was widely rated between 11-14 in the nation by the ranking services. TL got him to sign on even with the passing stats you listed above.

Throwing out false information tends to show you aren’t very confident in the position you have chosen to take on this topic.

TL was hired on 1/31/24, so you can pretty much throw Signing Day of 24’- 2/7/24 out the window as far as his recruiting ability.

In two classes, 25’ and 26’, he has been a large part of significantly upgrading the QB and WR rooms at Iowa on paper. Still has to be proved on the field. But, you will be hard pressed to find a Hawkeye fan that doesn’t feel better about both of those rooms than in previous years.

He sees the QB’s every day.

The National Analysts probably spent half a day researching and compiling that list, if that. Such research involved last year’s stats, compared to actually watching and rating the actual level of play a QB is practicing at.
 
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Throwing out false information tends to show you aren’t very confident in the position you have chosen to take on this topic.
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Point to the "false information" rather than just having your feelings hurt and saying stuff. I posted objective stats of Lester's offenses post-getting fired from Western Michigan for having a crappy offense.

I get that you're pumped about high school commit Bessigner. Maybe he'll be great, but he had zero Power 4 offers other than Iowa. Is Bessinger, who Lester flipped from Boise State...with offers from Penn, Cornell, Bryant, and Utah Tech, slated to play a down next year? How about the year after? How about the year after that? No? Not exactly a difference making recruit then by Lester.

This is the portal era. Not a single QB who committed to Iowa out of high school has played for the Hawks in 7 or 8 years. Iowa will recruit over mid major level high school commits with experienced college QBs in the upcoming years.

Hecklinski is just a sophomore. The odds of Bessinger or any high school QB who commits to Iowa actually seeing the field are slim to none (i.e. see 2025 commit Jimmy Sullivan, 2024 commit James Resar, 2023 commit Marco Lainez, 2022 commit Carson May, 2021 commit no one, 2020 commit Deuce Hogan, 2019 commit no one).
 
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2D said:
Who said we shouldn't be concerned? Where did I say that, specifically? Oh yeah, I didn't lol.
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Uhhh, in a thread entitled "which units are you most concerned about" I said QB and explained precisely why.

To that, your response was...Remember everyone, ignore the retard! He isn't an Iowa fan and does whatever it takes to derail threads he doesn't like. Luckily he knows nothing about football, or sports in general, so just laugh and move on.
 
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Uhhh, in a thread entitled "which units are you most concerned about" I said QB and explained precisely why.

To that, your response was...Remember everyone, ignore the retard! He isn't an Iowa fan and does whatever it takes to derail threads he doesn't like. Luckily he knows nothing about football, or sports in general, so just laugh and move on.
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Incorrect. That message was specifically for Eyes of Retard, not you.

Your response specifically was:
And THAT is your argument that fans shouldn't be at all concerned about the QB position??
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To which my response to that accusation is, where did I say we should NOT be worried about our QB room? I didn't. At all. It's valid to be concerned about our QBs. In fact, it kind of goes without saying that everyone should be worried. But rankings from random news outlets are the least of my concerns. Everyone said Mark was thr worst of the worst and he turned out to be a top 7 QB in the B1G. Sadly his injuries nagged him for most of the season.
 
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Point to the "false information" rather than just having your feelings hurt and saying stuff. I posted objective stats of Lester's offenses post-getting fired from Western Michigan for having a crappy offense.

I get that you're pumped about high school commit Bessigner. Maybe he'll be great, but he had zero Power 4 offers other than Iowa. Is Bessinger, who Lester flipped from Boise State...with offers from Penn, Cornell, Bryant, and Utah Tech, slated to play a down next year? How about the year after? How about the year after that? No? Not exactly a difference making recruit then by Lester.

This is the portal era. Not a single QB who committed to Iowa out of high school has played for the Hawks in 7 or 8 years. Iowa will recruit over mid major level high school commits with experienced college QBs in the upcoming years.

Hecklinski is just a sophomore. The odds of Bessinger or any high school QB who commits to Iowa actually seeing the field are slim to none (i.e. see 2025 commit Jimmy Sullivan, 2024 commit James Resar, 2023 commit Marco Lainez, 2022 commit Carson May, 2021 commit no one, 2020 commit Deuce Hogan, 2019 commit no one).
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“Lowly regarded 5’10” pocket passer (Hecklinski) is the best he can recruit?”

^^^^These were your words and they were directly pointed to, in my response.

Bessinger was widely rated between 11-14 in the nation by the ranking services. TL got him to sign on even with the passing stats you listed above.

^^^^The part where what you stated is proven wrong.


Could you make up your mind on Hecklinski?

1st you have him as lowly regarded. Then you jump to stating that the recruits to follow will have a “slim to none chance” of seeing the field because Hecklinski is just a sophomore.

Pick which side of your mouth you want to argue out of.

Since when have the Hawks penciled in players for playing time next year? Or the year following? Or the year after that? You used that waste of a paragraph to conclude that Bessinger must not be a difference making recruit by Lester? A monumental leap of a conclusion, based off of an incredibly weak argument.

And to cap it off, you provide a long list of BF QB recruits as your final damning evidence of TL’s inadequacy in recruiting QB’s.
 
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