No. 19 Men’s Lacrosse Hosted No. 14/16 Penn State Friday
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Would also be great to develop a rivalry with PSU that could perhaps one day become something like Hopkins-MD. The whole RU-PSU “Friendship Cup” thing is lame (seriously friendship?) and I didn’t even know it existed until someone clued me in. Host the game at Yurcak. Alumni tents. Food Trucks. Schedule the game for a Sunday so youth/HS can attend. Push student attendance. White-out. It’s a no-brainer.
Was there Friday night. Great atmosphere. Both my sons now play and loved being there with their teammates. Rutgers had opportunities and just could not capitalize. The PSU goalie, and I hate to say this, is really fun to watch.
I thought we did some nice things, a little too much two man game and not enough off ball stuff on offense, but we made some elite plays.
Brecht is the guy, and with support in NIL coming, he will get us back to where we expect to be.
I thought we did some nice things, a little too much two man game and not enough off ball stuff on offense, but we made some elite plays.
Brecht is the guy, and with support in NIL coming, he will get us back to where we expect to be.
We really had one bad quarter. Number 2. Our shooting was a little suss, We went low to low quite a bit making his life a little easier than we should have, but the kid played well. We were chirping him quite a bit and he didn't let it get to him. Not bad for a freshman.
I knew you'd get it, Gef. It's going to take a little time but we have a great staff. With the right resourcing they will get it done.
Every interaction I have had with Brian screams he is the real deal. With the right support sky is the limit for him. Both of my sons are young still, but if they ever have the opportunity to play at that level I would want them playing for a guy like Brian.
So many sunshine and rainbows after a fourth straight year where RU won't even be sniffing the bubble a week from Sunday.
My question is this: if the lax guys here would be calling for BB's head were they NOT "lax guys." Will you/are you calling for Greg's head? Pikes? The head of any other HC's here OTB?
I believe my buddy @Caliknight when he gives us "inner circle" updates and understand the timeline of everything (good and bad) that's happened here - I get it - however the fall since the FF run in '22 has been - sorry - but eye-popping bad IF we're being honest. So....how much longer is his "leash," so-to-speak?
Thanks for honest responses guys. Appreciate it.
I believe my buddy @Caliknight when he gives us "inner circle" updates and understand the timeline of everything (good and bad) that's happened here - I get it - however the fall since the FF run in '22 has been - sorry - but eye-popping bad IF we're being honest. So....how much longer is his "leash," so-to-speak?
Thanks for honest responses guys. Appreciate it.
For me the whole picture is an important piece, and let's be very very real. Rutgers did not jump into the NIL world correctly at all under our previous administration.
Brian has proven he can create winning offensive and defensive programs that can get to the highest level of lacrosse, and now that he has the support in the modern era the expectation is we will get back there.
Pike needs to adapt his modern offense, he fumbled two NBA picks, but partially this was a money issue again. Portal target identification and analysis of portal targets must improve.
Schiano demands a lot from the University, and last year the defensive was unapologetically bad. But the fact that he had to spend time raising money, and not coaching, again goes back to how the previous administration ran athletics. But he needs to win the game again. The program needs it.
Very well put, no question, thank you! Now, I'm one who believes that BOTH Greg and Pikes need to step it up in BIG ways, immediately, or they're either gone (Pikes) or a year away from being so (Greg). So I can't sit here and say to myself "BB gets 3 more years to turn this around" and not feel a tad hypocritical if you get my drift.
Does Owens get canned for the disaster that baseball has become "just because" he lost 5 pitchers to Tommy John surgery this off season (3 would have been major contributors)? IMHO - this is this is year 6. ZERO post-season appearances (none since '07). He's gotta go. Period. Pull the chord, make the change, find the $$$ and get the kids OTB.
Does McElderry get canned if no NCAA's this year AFTER taking us back, Year 1, for the first time in 7 years (and only the 3rd time in 16)? Absolutely, 100% if he fails to reach the NCAA's again next fall.
Washington gets canned and we are seeing an IMMEDIATE upgrade in talent. Why? Because $$$ that was never available, prior, suddenly became so and Redus is taking full advantage. Hopefully that translates on the court as well.
The feeling I get - and it all comes from "inner circle" lax guys - is that BB could get the $$$, get the kids, and still be here for another 5 years without getting back to the NCAA's because all the lax-involved people "love him." Well.....is that fair? Are you guys HONESTLY going to be okay IF that's the case?
Just trying to gauge the thought process here. I would like to think you guys are majorly disappointed at this time but have a feeling that's not the case which is a tad concerning.
Not if they achieved what Brecht has. Pike has gotten us to the tourney as a team with less than. That matters. Schiano? He has the most to operate with at the school. Less than the OSU and Michigan's of the world, but I don't expect him to beat them Though I do expect that he'd be competitive. Its the teams that we outspend that gives me pause with him. Plus, he's never really done it. He's had some nice wins back in the day but he rarely if ever punches above is weight. He had the most resources in the old watered down BE and he never won it. That is telling. Brecht took us to the quarters and FF. He has beaten top teams and has played competitive games more often than not. Schiano brings us to low grade bowl games at best. There is no bowl scenario in college lacrosse. It comes to down to either the auto bid or being one of 8 teams to get an at large bid. Making the tournament in college lacrosse is very hard. A lot of good teams get thrown in the heap that never have/had the chance to participate. We've had a few of our own that were deserving and didn't make it.
With all of that said, it's very hard to evaluate a coach in any sport when they are not getting the support that peers get. It's why getting rid of Brecht talk is asinine. First off, he and Keli have a great relationship. She very much believes in him, as do many other people that matter. Second, we know he's not getting the support that is needed at the very top. So, the job is to get him that support. We know he can win. He's done it. Trust me, some of the teams we've lost to recently had guys scoring goals on us that wanted to come to Rutgers and we didn't have the NIL to offer. That's changing.
The question I have for the trolls here, and let's be honest, that's what they are. They don't know anything about lacrosse or Brecht. They love to take shots because of some perverted thing they have with me. Like Local Shill. He knows nothing about anything. Which he puts on display constantly. So to idiots like that, I ask, what coach would come here with less support than our peers and yet be expected to beat them.. Who is that person? I know a lot about lacrosse. The only name I can think of is Bill Tierney and there is zero chance he's coming out of retirement to coach at Rutgers. So who is this incredible coach? That's where their idiotic takes always fail when it comes to lacrosse.
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No one loves Brian more than they love the program. Not one person.. Certainly no one of influence. Anyone who loves Brian does so because they believe he's the best person in lacrosse to run the program at Rutgers. There is probably one or two coaches I would trade him for. If that. And only because of their success level so it would be hard to say no. There are a lot of coaches winning games that Brian coaches circles around. But they have that magic money that somehow makes makes any coach look great.
I guarantee you if Brecht was at a program like UNC he'd be in the FF every single year.
I realize I didn't answer your last question, but to do so, I have to have more information. Does he get the support that Penn St. has or is operating at a deficit? You can't answer that question without knowing what ammunition he has to work with.
That's why I said "if he gets the $$$ (you know the #'s we need I don't, sorry can't answer that one lol....), gets the kids"....would you still be good with him not making yearly NCAA runs? Will you be okay with making the NCAA's 2 of the next 5 years and NOT making it past the opening round?
I'm just trying to gauge what to expect moving forward. Thanks brotha'!
You are over-stating the so-called “support” that BB’s peers are getting. schools/peers are still operating with little or no lax NIL budgets. There are top 100 ranked IL commits that are getting zero NIL and partial scholarships. Even the top 5*s going to UNC allegedly got $50K for NIL - a joke compared to other sports. There are few kids getting NIL + full scholarships so if a kid loves RU/BB the decision likely does not come down to who offers more. Not to mention RU is a desirable destination if nothing else because top recruits typically prefer B1G, Ivy, or ACC.
Like I said in a previous post, RU is missing speed and snipers (like a Knobloch or Scott). I don’t know if BB is too focused on recruiting size and athleticism but RU’s roster does not mirror many of the top 10 schools.
I’d give BB two more years to prove last few were an aberration.
If he gets 30 scholarships and $400K a year to spend on NIL and both increase every year until we are at the full scholarship allotment allowed by the NCAA? I'd expect we make the tourney *most years and go on a run more often than not.
But we aren't near that. We have more than most Big East teams and PL teams, outside of Georgetown and Army who has some natural advantages (and some obvious disadvantages. Loyola has some backing. But we are in the Big Ten. Every Acc and Big Ten school supports their lax programs extremely well. That's the bar, and until we are in that space, expectations have to be realistic. We got spoiled in 21 and 22. Brian saw a huge opportunity, and there was no reason he couldn't make it happen (NIL). So he did. When he has that type of ammo again, he will make it happen. The staff loves the next two classes and with Bieda on board, I expect recruiting to continue to get better and better as the support does.
Again, you're wrong. PSU, OSU, Hopkins all have massive NIL (relative to lacrosse). You aren't sniffing a 5* or top 4* without a full scholarship and NIL. Not happening. Whoever you are getting your information from has no clue what they are taking about.
No offense, but it doesn't matter how long you give Brian. You're not a player in the program nor are you Keli.
We clearly have different sources but I’m close with plenty of families with studs (top 100) in the 26/27 classes. Full schollies and NIL is not the norm outside of 5*s. Deemer Class posted something not long ago about demystifying the recruiting $$$ and the long story short was a 25-50% scholarship was still considered very good these days. But whatever let’s agree to disagree.
here’s the deal - the fact that RU finished last in the B1G and is barely sniffing a top 20 ranking has nothing to do with lack of support. Rutgers is ranked behind Towson, Utah, Loyola…
We’d beat those teams if we played them. Just like we have recently.
I’ll repeat your info is entirely incorrect. 1.0 and an $100K NIL for top talent. If you know someone who didn’t get that, they lowballed themselves. I’m not agreeing to disagree when I know for a fact you’re wrong.
I’m still curious. What are you going to do if Brecht doesn’t meet your goals? Post more?
I’ll repeat your info is entirely incorrect. 1.0 and an $100K NIL for top talent. If you know someone who didn’t get that, they lowballed themselves. I’m not agreeing to disagree when I know for a fact you’re wrong.
I’m still curious. What are you going to do if Brecht doesn’t meet your goals? Post more?
It wasn’t a secret that UNC 5*s were supposedly getting $50K because lots of people thought it was a joke compared to other sports. I never heard anything near $100K from the 26/27 classes. Could there be a couple of kids that ended up getting more not to flip or negotiated better deals sure who knows.
none of that really matters because $$$ is not why RU is currently ranked #20. RU beat Jacksonville and Nova by 1 goal. Next your gonna tell me all those kids are on schollies plus NIL. I hope RU gets more money to spend in recruiting but that alone isn’t going fix everything
They aren’t getting $50k. There are guys we played against at PSU getting $100k. Same with Hopkins and OSU. Money is exactly why we are where we are. We were in the quarters and FF literally the year before NIL inception. It’s a fact our last AD did nothing around it.
Nova best Penn St. Jacksonville lost to Duke by 1. It’s like running in a retarded circle with you. Mindless idiocy.
Nova best Penn St. Jacksonville lost to Duke by 1. It’s like running in a retarded circle with you. Mindless idiocy.
We get it = former player loyal to the program. If only you knew as much as you pretend to. Playing lax years ago and talking to whoever you talk to now doesn’t make you the undisputed source of all lax knowledge. Keep making excuses. NIL/scholarships are still a joke in D1 lax and is NOT why RU will likely finish outside the top 20. I’m close with two families with ranked kids headed to ND = one is getting a 10% schollie and the other is getting 40%. Both are getting $0 NIL. So keep telling everyone it’s all about the money. Do I think money will help BB recruit = ABSOLUTELY! But that’s not why RU is in the B1G basement. RU is a big and athletic team but slow and lacks elite skill. FO depth also a problem as Rainero has struggled adjusting to D1. Long story short - unless RU makes a run in the B1G tournament (anything possible) this season has been a total disaster. But sure, it’s not BB’s fault if you say so.
CaliKnight is a total Brecht apologist who ignores facts and reality while classlessly calling people "retards". No wonder he supports who he does politically.
Rutgers has unquestionably either the 5th or 6th overall body of work/accomplishments among the 6 Big Ten teams since the league formed. I provided all the information but all he does is scream about the 2022 Final Four (which was a fun, great run) while ignoring the myriad failings since and the minimal accomplishments prior to 2021.
He seems to forget we all want the same thing. BB is a good Xs/Os coach. But his roster/recruiting doesn’t reflect the current state of the game. Anyone watching UNC-ND two weeks ago would have been in awe at the speed of play and how many players there were in the 5’8”-5’10” range (even smaller - that was what they list at). Cornell…Syracuse…these guys are fast and skilled. RU looks big and slow. Recruiting in D1 lax isn’t all about money because most top 300 recruits want B1G, Ivy, ACC (Richmond, Gtown, few others). There simply aren’t that many prime destinations so kids can’t make crazy demands. The fact that RU is barely top 20 and UM is not even ranked is embarrassing.
I don't think anyone, including fans of the program, is denying that the past several years have been bad. Just that maybe Brecht deserves a chance with a competent athletic department. All RU sports fans now pretty much know how bad the athletic department was under the prior AD and then having it leaderless after the firing and before Zinn was hired.
Brecht has had a lot of accomplishments outside of just making the NCAA playoffs, while playing in the toughest lacrosse conference. Not many RU coaches while in the B1G conference have gotten the #1 ranking. Or made the championship game. Many RU programs have been unable to defeat the blue bloods but Brecht's teams have beaten JHU, Maryland, Syracuse, Princeton, etc. Also, wasn't Brecht's fault that with two of the best teams we've had to coincide with a rival team having a once in a generation team.
I posted about being frustrated in general with RU sports and MLAX. But then I went and thought about how difficult it must have been as a coach while your boss was too busy hanging out with his girlfriend or too busy covering that up. Imagine being at work and there is this huge change in how things are done, this earthquake of a change, and your boss is MIA or refuses to even bring it up.
Yet the vibes seem so different now with Zinn. Look at the football and basketball off seasons. You think under the prior AD that football could have kept Duff. Look at the MBB transfer signings, seem like some of the best we've had in a long time.
IDK, willing to give Brecht the benefit of doubt and see what he can do for next year, maybe even two years. But yes, in a year or two and we are still finishing in 6th place, or nothing seems like it's getting better, then probably a time for change.
Brecht has had a lot of accomplishments outside of just making the NCAA playoffs, while playing in the toughest lacrosse conference. Not many RU coaches while in the B1G conference have gotten the #1 ranking. Or made the championship game. Many RU programs have been unable to defeat the blue bloods but Brecht's teams have beaten JHU, Maryland, Syracuse, Princeton, etc. Also, wasn't Brecht's fault that with two of the best teams we've had to coincide with a rival team having a once in a generation team.
I posted about being frustrated in general with RU sports and MLAX. But then I went and thought about how difficult it must have been as a coach while your boss was too busy hanging out with his girlfriend or too busy covering that up. Imagine being at work and there is this huge change in how things are done, this earthquake of a change, and your boss is MIA or refuses to even bring it up.
Yet the vibes seem so different now with Zinn. Look at the football and basketball off seasons. You think under the prior AD that football could have kept Duff. Look at the MBB transfer signings, seem like some of the best we've had in a long time.
IDK, willing to give Brecht the benefit of doubt and see what he can do for next year, maybe even two years. But yes, in a year or two and we are still finishing in 6th place, or nothing seems like it's getting better, then probably a time for change.
Total disaster with a winning record lol. Yea, I haven’t been directly involved in NIL lol. You’re a pretender who knows nothing. If anyone here takes this clown seriously, you’re an idiot too.
Winning record LOL = they have ONE WIN AGAINST A RANKED TEAM and it took a miracle!!! If beating Bellarmine, St. John’s, LIU, Hofstra, Stony Brook, Jacksonville, and Nova meant anything then RU wouldn’t be ranked #22 behind St. Joe’s, BU, Towson, Loyola. You take too many hits to the head back in the day? You’re the only pretender because everything you’ve said about recruiting/NIL/ scholarships and RU’s peers is fiction. If you were told any B1G program is funding 30 lax schollies plus NIL then you have been lied to.
Congrats on achieving RutgersAL status. Every RU sport needs one to try and hide the truth. If you are happy with this season and RU’s record/schedule, last place finish in B1G, and #22 ranking right behind A10 powerhouse St. Joe’s, then not much more I can say. At least it can’t get any worse and hopefully RU wins its quarterfinal game.
Yes, full schollies for the handful of 5*s and some of them not even getting a penny of NIL. The rest of 4* and 3*s it’s a total mixed bag. Sorry to insult you with real info. The fact that you believe RU would build an indoor lax stadium/facility says it all. RU would obviously build it for FOOTBALL and when available let lax team use it.
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More lies. I never said they were building an indoor facility. I can tell you Aldoidiot has never spoken to Keli, or anyone in the lacrosse world that knows anything. He can't even keep his stories straight. First he claims guys are getting $50k and no he claims there are no NIL deals.
I'll give him this. We are having a big laugh at his expense on an alum thread I am on so thanks for that.
I'll give him this. We are having a big laugh at his expense on an alum thread I am on so thanks for that.
LOL…”Aldoidiot”…”retard”…you gonna call me a doo-doo head next? stop embarrassing yourself (and lax alumni). I guess your reading level matches your elementary school behavior = “some of them not even getting a penny of NIL”. Yes, UNC pays NIL to 5*s. Some schools do not. I won’t waste my time digging up your posts about the indoor lax facility you claimed to be discussing with your bestie Keli. I hope the lax alumni thread has better things to talk about than this thread (or me LOL).
I for one thank you for balancing your time. Having multiple lax boards and giving us all this free Lax insight here is great! I know a few months ago you promised you wouldn’t share anymore free lax content but I’m happy you changed your mind. I guess your personal site/twitter doesn’t take up too much time (or get too much traffic), so you can spend tons of time here
Another loser who made the chain lol. Thanks for the laughs guys!
Landed a transfer already. Yea baby!
Landed a transfer already. Yea baby!
when year does Rutgers need to make the ncaa tournament before you’d admit it’s just not working anymore? 2029? 2030? Later? Or do the wins over Harvard and Penn mean the lifetime contract should have already been offered?