Is the LFL feeding the Tennessee players?
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There will not be diminishing returns if they set the prices for the rigs at market value, which is a lot higher than 10k. People that have to drop anything to afford a rig aren’t in the right tax bracket to be having that type of amenity in the first place. There are plenty that will dish out much more than that to offset any losses by people who throw a fit and don’t renew in other sports. I can’t afford a box at Davis Wade. That’s just how life is for people that don’t make the money required for premier seating. The university’s job is to make us as competitive as possible and this time in college athletics means finding new ways to generate as much revenue possible to pay for the talent required to win.
$1,250 x ever how many tickets the lounges have to buy plus the ticket costs. That’s what the lowest other premium areas charge. (No idea what the per season price is for lounges plus tickets. No idea if it’s more or less.) So, for 10 seats, that would be $12,500+$5,000= $17,500. Again, no idea if that’s more or less.
Not really. Not even close.
I've said it before, but the LFL is actually full of spectators AT A GAME -- watching, cheering, drinking, booing, cooking, socializing, or whatever -- they are part of an actual game. The grove is a clump of trees nowhere near any sporting event. It fills up 7 days a year with people drinking white claws and eating chicken tenders, about 1/3 of whom then attend a football game. Whoopity doo.
The LFL/Dudy Noble has actual stats: google "college baseball crowds" for reference. The grove has... lots of olemiss people telling everyone how awesome the trees are.
People around here seem to watch and enjoy baseball. Been like that for the past 50 years or so. It's too bad the baseball haters in the MSU fanbase are forced to post about it since they hate it so much. This is just me, but if I hated a topic, I probably wouldn't open the threads about it and comment. That is not necessarily directed at you, B-Dick, but jeezus it seems like every thread about baseball has to have the obligatory "nobody watches America's pastime" post.
I find it strange that there is a 10 mile long line of people waiting to pay big money for tickets to a sport that nobody watches.
If we have a 100-year waiting list for chairback or LFL seats, I'm pretty sure we would have plans on the drawing board to add another 10K+ seats to the grandstand.
I don't hate baseball. I watch most of the games and have been to a few this year. What I do hate is that the majority of the fanbase supports it over football. That's a recipe for disaster for the University.
One school holds all top 25 attendance records for the sport. So yes, people are watching at MSU, but nowhere else. That's the point. You can't see the forest for the trees.
North Dakota probably has big hockey crowds and they made the Frozen Four this year. Do you care? No. Neither do I, and if we continue on our current path we will be about as irrelevant as they are in football and nationally as an athletic department.
The question is, would those in line be willing to front the money that the current holders did? The expansion was partially funded by pledges that were paid prior to construction starting. If the demand is truly there, start an expansion plan and allow those in the queue to pony up. If you currently don't have chairbacks and want them, call the athletic department and commit to pledging. leeinator is spot on, if that great of true commitment to the demand was there, construction plans would begin the day our season ended. None of this does anything to address the issues with the casual fan that is looking for an affordable GA ticket that includes a seat, a whole separate conversation.
Yea, so does the rest of the country. But our fans love it so take advantage of it financially instead of letting a sport bleed you financially.
You can try to explain it to them but they will continue to be willfully ignorant.
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Lol. It is much higher than that. If we had an auction zero people would get a lfl spot at 10k or anywhere near that.
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We've never been relevant in football and yet we're still here. Meanwhile baseball at least gives us an identity.
Ya'll are really 17ing stupid.
We are not a blueblood of college football, but we have had moments that drew national attention. 1st team ever ranked #1 in CFP poll, SEC West title, Dak, etc. National relevance is the key here. Baseball has no relevance. It loses money, and produces half the revenue of college hockey. I am sure you were closely watching the Frozen 4 right?
So do you think North Dakota is planning to disband their hockey program? Would your plan be to kill off the one sport we can and do actually excel in?
Plan A is for State to be good in every sport. Failing that, plan B is to be good in SOMETHING. We have that in baseball. I don't understand why you and others can't be happy we have a good program. Soccer doesn't make any money, but I am pulling for us to win the SEC every year. Why can't you do that for baseball? It's like you (again, not you personally, the royal 'you' anti-baseball nuts) are jealous of any attention baseball gets.
I'm not going to go back through the whole thing. But as many of us have said many times -- killing the baseball program would make a few of our fans happy, but the happiness won't be because it magically makes us better in football. It just won't. Somehow this point is not sinking in, so I won't waste any more time on it.
I really hope we start winning again soon, if only because the haters will go back to not talking about it.
We should not it kill it. We should make you people pay for your own obsession though, and even when that bare minimum thought comes up you people act like it is your birthright for football to subsidize your obsession.
I've explained on this very forum more than once why letting our baseball program fade into oblivion would not help us move into the top tier in football. In fact, it would give us even less to be proud of as an institution. But forgetting that for now - my case is made up of two main points and is very simple to understand, for most people.
1. There are many baseball-only donors. Appreciate it or not, that's the reality. Shutting the gates at Dudy Noble won't redirect their money to Davis-Wade, it will just invite them to stop donating and attending MSU events.
2. EVEN IF you somehow convinced them to keep giving, and even if we took all the baseball NIL and gave it to Jeff Lebby... it wouldn't make a huge difference. In football terms, that amount is not the complete game changer the haters seem to pretend it is. We are in the SEC, we have to have both sports.
Those are my points. It's your turn - please lay out your argument as to how it would help football. Please share your anonymous wisdom.
We don’t have the option of shutting down the baseball program. They should receive bare minimum outside support because people that care about it will ensure its success like everyone else in this league cares about their team’s football success.
Okay well I don't care if they bump the price up somewhat, but if they go too crazy with it and ruin it with corporate seats that are never filled like in basketball, that seems like a bad idea.
You seem to be agreeing with the haters that want us to kill it off.
I don’t care if colonel reb is out there grilling hot dogs. Pay for it yourself by raising prices or eliminating expenses. That group has been spending other people’s money for far too long. Same with women’s basketball (that sport is actually way worse). We should have a high school PE teacher getting paid 75k coaching women’s basketball. This is obviously an exaggeration but still.
Speaking of spending other people's money, football gets 74% of the $20.5M revenue share... what's your feeling on that spending?
I fear your statistics teacher should be fired. Football would be getting 100 % of the rev share if they did it by who turns a profit. So yea, they are getting screwed, which is the entire point of this conversation that has somehow gone completely over your head. Every single dollar that anyone gets of rev share was produced by football. Did you really not know that? The funniest part of this entire thing is that 90 % of this board claims to be fiscally conservative but when it comes to something they like that doesn’t make money in sports they turn into a socialist.
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If not a majority, a large portion of our collective fanbase at MSU would choose being good in baseball RATHER than football. That is the root of the whole problem. I am not against the baseball team. I am against the athletic department making baseball the priority over football. Football pays the bills-period. There is a combined super conference coming. There will be no more SEC and no more Big 10, just the new thing. Founding ties to a conference that doesnt exist anymore won't help us get into that. It will be all about the school's value to the new conference when they are deciding which schools will be selected. The factor that will be most important is football. If die hard baseball fans want to keep weekend home series with LSU, and Ole Miss they better get on board with football FIRST.
Look at what Vandy is doing. Focus has shifted away from baseball and towards football and basketball. They see the writing on the wall and are trying to get people to forget their below average past. These are facts.
Look at what Vandy is doing. Focus has shifted away from baseball and towards football and basketball. They see the writing on the wall and are trying to get people to forget their below average past. These are facts.
LOL I notice your phrase "produced by football" as if that is Mississippi State football. It's actually money from SEC TV contracts, bowl money, basketball tournament money, and even small sports NCAA championship money. I'm afraid not much of that $20.5M handout was generated by us this year.
So while a lot of that TV contract money from ESPN is from "football" in general, whose football are we talking about - UGA, Bama, UT, etc.? So my point was, you're okay with spending "other people's money". You just want us to spend it all on football. I guess you're happy with the return we're getting there.
It needs more funding . Not sure why some on here can’t understand football helps pay for baseball. Hell in some years basketball helps pay for baseball. The over emphasis on a regional sport isn’t a pathway to success. No one is saying dismantle the baseball program but at the end of the day it’s a non revenue sport and needs to be treated as such
"Nowhere else"... Looking at the list below, it seems like across the south and west, people do watch baseball. We're just known as being the best at it. I think that's a good thing.
PS We don't really play much hockey around here, which is why I don't care who was in the frozen four. Maybe the same thing goes for those people in North Dakota and baseball.
Top 20 College Baseball Ballparks in America
- Dudy Noble Field – Mississippi State University (Starkville, MS)
Legendary atmosphere with the famous Left Field Lounge tailgating tradition and record-breaking crowds at College World Series games. - Baum–Walker Stadium – University of Arkansas (Fayetteville, AR)
Consistently ranked among the top college parks; massive crowds, intense SEC rivalry games, and repeated national attention. - Alex Box Stadium at Skip Bertman Field – LSU (Baton Rouge, LA)
Home of LSU’s seven national championships and one of the most intimidating environments in college baseball. - Founders Park – University of South Carolina (Columbia, SC)
A premier modern facility with passionate fans and strong tradition in the SEC. - Doug Kingsmore Stadium – Clemson University (Clemson, SC)
Praised by fans and critics for atmosphere and historic Tiger program tradition. - Mike Martin Field at Dick Howser Stadium – Florida State University (Tallahassee, FL)
Historic home field of the Seminoles, with longstanding competitive tradition. - Oxford-University Stadium at Swayze Field – University of Mississippi (Oxford, MS)
Known for electric crowds and distinctive fan traditions. - Hawkins Field – Vanderbilt University (Nashville, TN)
Small but elite, home to one of the nation’s top modern programs. - Plainsman Park – Auburn University (Auburn, AL)
Historically acclaimed design and atmosphere, once voted best in country by Baseball America. - Clark-LeClair Stadium – East Carolina University (Greenville, NC)
Known for great atmosphere and passionate Pirate support. - Springs Brooks Stadium – Coastal Carolina University (Conway, SC)
Bright, vibrant stadium that gained visibility after Coastal Carolina’s 2016 CWS title run. - Miller Park – Brigham Young University (Provo, UT)
Mountain backdrops and unique facility that supports both baseball and softball. - Dedeaux Field – University of Southern California (Los Angeles, CA)
Historic home of USC, the winningest program in college baseball history. - Pete Taylor Park – Southern Mississippi (Hattiesburg, MS)
Smaller but renowned for heavy attendance and vibrant tailgating culture. - Baylor Ballpark – Baylor University (Waco, TX)
A beloved facility in the Big 12 with a strong fan following and regional history. - Alex Rodriguez Park at Mark Light Field – University of Miami (Coral Gables, FL)
Historic home of multiple national titles and MLB talent production. - Hi Corbett Field – University of Arizona (Tucson, AZ)
Historic ballpark with MLB spring training roots and unique Southwest setting. - O’Brate Stadium – Oklahoma State University (Stillwater, OK)
Modern facility with strong fan energy and top-tier college experience. - Oxford’s Charles Schwab Field – College World Series Venue (Omaha, NE)
Though not a campus stadium, it is the home of the Men’s College World Series, where the nation’s best programs compete every June. - Eddy D. Field Stadium – Pepperdine University (Malibu, CA)
Often ranked as one of college baseball’s most beautiful parks with ocean views and scenic setting.
I think I'll start changing my responses to all these posts to "Sorry, I know you hate it but MSU baseball is inevitable. It's happening and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Cry all you want."
Please, Oak, sweep USC this weekend so they can go back to not talking about baseball while we're winning.
Way to AI.
Most of those teams average around 4,000 fans per game.
Ever seen a college baseball team on the cover of Sports Illustrated - NO
Do you turn on Sportscenter and catch the highlights to MSU baseball games- NO
Does NCAA men's baseball have a category where someone can check scores on ESPN - NO ( It's under a "College Sports" heading that has gymnastics as the lead story)
That is the whole point.
We get that money because we have a football team, you Neanderthal. It is the only sport on campus not losing money.
Sorry, I know you hate it but MSU baseball is inevitable. It's happening and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Cry all you want.
And I don't AI, if that's even a verb.*
Sorry, I know you hate it but MSU baseball is inevitable. It's happening and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Cry all you want.
People wanting your cheap asses to pay for it doesn’t mean we don’t want it to happen. Go grill a hot dog and feed it to the other team after they shove it down our *** for 3 days, loser.
Sorry you lost your argument and can't come up with legitimate counterpoints. I know MSU baseball is relevant in your mind.
WAAAH.
my honest guess on market price for non-corporate is $20-25k per 8. Football and baseball are my favorites, but I work remotely, and the sheer volume of what I’d get with baseball is more attractive to me than football. Have considered getting a place in Starkville purely to be there for baseball season, if I can figure out a plan for my kids (which we’re actively exploring)
I make good money but suspect many people interested in LFL make more. I’d pay $5000 for 4 seats without a doubt if I found someone to split it with. $10k would be a stretch but might still do it. Don’t think I’d go higher
I make good money but suspect many people interested in LFL make more. I’d pay $5000 for 4 seats without a doubt if I found someone to split it with. $10k would be a stretch but might still do it. Don’t think I’d go higher
I wouldn’t care if oak or whoever was the coach sweeps whomever. It doesn’t matter. You baseball fans can’t get that through your head. It doesn’t matter it’s not a needle mover. Baseball is a non rev sport. Hasn’t made a profit here since 2010… 16 years it’s dependent on major sports to fund it. Not sure why you and others can’t understand that’s it needs to just operate. No more money invested in a sport that can’t even keeps the lights on.
Hell most of yall would rather feed the right fielder for the opposing team spend thousands on meat but not give a dime to SEF to help real sports like football and men’s basketball. Sad really.
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Apparently we need to cut basketball too