Addie Deal enters transfer portal

Kceasthawk@77

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The athletes never set the culture. They were there for four years in the past. Most are still around four years, done less. Either way people in a place for only four years are not the ones that create the culture.
??? And Iowa's previous mantra that "every player is valued"? Does that still hold the same water? What does the coach say now? Yes, we value you bench players, just not as much? You can't possibly think that this current system doesn't put a dent in what Iowa's been preaching for years.
 

Bunsen82

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This. I've said this before, but I don't see how you can sell the "circle" or "family culture" that Iowa was known for in the current situation with 5-8 players leaving teams any given year. Does the mantra "EVERY player is valued" REALLY hold water when one player is making 500K+ and the girl who comes in for her (say Journey Houston) who played better then some starters, get 20% of that? Hard to believe....
I don't think this is going to be a every year occurence. I think we will get back to 1-2 a year. When you do have 1-2 individuals talking constantly Deal, Rodriguez, Mallegni and Levin about favoritism and Deal and Rodriguez who were in this primarily for the money, I think it built on itself. Now both Journey and per say a Stremlow could. I think Stremlow is 100% a Hawkeye and wouldn't. Even still this year did take a chunk out of the armor. I could see us having zero transfer next year with 4-5 commits and maybe 1 transfer portal as well.
 

Zach Jump

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This. I've said this before, but I don't see how you can sell the "circle" or "family culture" that Iowa was known for in the current situation with 5-8 players leaving teams any given year. Does the mantra "EVERY player is valued" REALLY hold water when one player is making 500K+ and the girl who comes in for her (say Journey Houston) who played better then some starters, get 20% of that? Hard to believe....

It happens in every league, every sport when money is in play.

Just look at the Fever.

Who do you thinks makes more per year...the future Hall of Famer playing her best ball, or Sophie Cunningham?
 

Jonesy5960

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This. I've said this before, but I don't see how you can sell the "circle" or "family culture" that Iowa was known for in the current situation with 5-8 players leaving teams any given year. Does the mantra "EVERY player is valued" REALLY hold water when one player is making 500K+ and the girl who comes in for her (say Journey Houston) who played better then some starters, get 20% of that? Hard to believe....
Every player IS valued. It's just much more precise now. I value her at $500k and I value her at $200k. See? EVERY player IS valued.
 

Zach Jump

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??? And Iowa's previous mantra that "every player is valued"? Does that still hold the same water? What does the coach say now? Yes, we value you bench players, just not as much? You can't possibly think that this current system doesn't put a dent in what Iowa's been preaching for years.

I don't see it have a serious impact. Culture comes from the top. Easy example is Lucy, from all appearances and reporting, fit right into the culture.

Its about bringing in the people that will be part of it.
 
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Bunsen82

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Olsen came first because of Lisa...
Who kept her? Come on don't be like that. Are you really that type of person? She must have done a heck of sales job to keep all the players after Bluder left. Look at what happens to teams after coaches leave . . . Georgia ect. Iowa didn't have that purge. You know why . . . Jan. Give credit where credit is due.
 
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Kceasthawk@77

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I don't think this is going to be a every year occurence. I think we will get back to 1-2 a year. When you do have 1-2 individuals talking constantly Deal, Rodriguez, Mallegni and Levin about favoritism and Deal and Rodriguez who were in this primarily for the money, I think it built on itself. Now both Journey and per say a Stremlow could. I think Stremlow is 100% a Hawkeye and wouldn't. Even still this year did take a chunk out of the armor. I could see us having zero transfer next year with 4-5 commits and maybe 1 transfer portal as well.
We'll see if Iowa can stay a top 20 team and not be in the portal regularly..
 

Kceasthawk@77

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Every player IS valued. It's just much more precise now. I value her at $500k and I value her at $200k. See? EVERY player IS valued.
Your making fun, but I give you credit for knowing what I'm saying, and that's not the "value" that was Iowa before. I think you know that.
 

Bunsen82

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We'll see if Iowa can stay a top 20 team and not be in the portal regularly..
I think consistency of teams is going to become very consistent and volatile at the same time. I think You will see more and more teams completely obliterated. In this current format of the portal you can rebuild. However there will be rules. We are still in the wild wild west. So for our situation - Jan and Iowa needs to remain a prominent school for the next 3-4 years. I think they can do that. The portal will then be a supplement of 1-2 players per a year.

My gut feel is we go back to you get 1 free transfer. After than you have to sit out a year. That will cause people to be much more judicious in choosing to leave.
 

Legend12

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The athletes never set the culture. They were there for four years in the past. Most are still around four years, done less. Either way people in a place for only four years are not the ones that create the culture.

You could not be more incorrect. The athletes are exactly who set and dictate the culture of a team/program.
 

The Big Z

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Your making fun, but I give you credit for knowing what I'm saying, and that's not the "value" that was Iowa before. I think you know that.
So what do you want them to do? Recruit Freshman and hope they all develop while other teams like UCLA is playing all 22-23 year olds. Kevin and Teagan to stay because of the culture? Sit on the bench because they like Iowa ? Not go somewhere they can probably all start next year? Not sure what you’re getting at? Are you saying our culture isn’t good anymore because people are transferring?
 
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Legend12

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??? And Iowa's previous mantra that "every player is valued"? Does that still hold the same water? What does the coach say now? Yes, we value you bench players, just not as much? You can't possibly think that this current system doesn't put a dent in what Iowa's been preaching for years.

It's always been that way. Do you think Clark and the way she often treated her teammates was good for the culture, or was that overlooked because of the winning?
 

Zach Jump

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You could not be more incorrect. The athletes are exactly who set and dictate the culture of a team/program.

Damnit

We have not fought in awhile...and you have never invited me to an Aces game.. so let's go.


I agree.


Do believe that that it is up to the coaches to bring in the players that fit the culture they want.
 

Cidhawkeye

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You could not be more incorrect. The athletes are exactly who set and dictate the culture of a team/program.
Going to have to disagree to some extent. It goes hand in hand but it is set by the leadership, what will the coach/leader accept from the team. A good example is KF, he sets the culture. The players either follow or don’t. His dabbling with the city boyz was his straying from what he wanted for culture.
 

Max Rebo

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Going to have to disagree to some extent. It goes hand in hand but it is set by the leadership, what will the coach/leader accept from the team. A good example is KF, he sets the culture. The players either follow or don’t. His dabbling with the city boyz was his straying from what he wanted for culture.
Coaches set the direction and the boundaries for the team culture. Players determine how real it becomes.
 

QChawks

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Well, no matter what it certainly gonna be interesting to see what happens with her career after Iowa

it’ll almost likely turn out to be the big fish that got away or we dodged a bullet by her leaving
 

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This. I've said this before, but I don't see how you can sell the "circle" or "family culture" that Iowa was known for in the current situation with 5-8 players leaving teams any given year. Does the mantra "EVERY player is valued" REALLY hold water when one player is making 500K+ and the girl who comes in for her (say Journey Houston) who played better then some starters, get 20% of that? Hard to believe....
This is the only season Iowa has had many transfers. Also dollar amounts are generally unknowns. Let's all take a step away from our jump to conclusions mat.
 

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This is the only season Iowa has had many transfers. Also dollar amounts are generally unknowns. Let's all take a step away from our jump to conclusions mat.
This is the first off-season in which revenue-share adjustments have been made based on performance. When a player finds out their share is not increasing as they want, or, in some cases, is going down, they start to look around. If a coach wants to swap out a few players, they can now cut someone's rev share in half. We are living in a new world.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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So what do you want them to do? Recruit Freshman and hope they all develop while other teams like UCLA is playing all 22-23 year olds. Kevin and Teagan to stay because of the culture? Sit on the bench because they like Iowa ? Not go somewhere they can probably all start next year? Not sure what you’re getting at? Are you saying our culture isn’t good anymore because people are transferring?
Once again. I'm not asking them to do anything. Why are you always trying to make my comments into some big crisis? I'm just stating this is going to be interesting to see how Jan and the staff handle things going forward. This is a complete 180 for Iowa, that's all I said. Just like in football Iowa has pretty much ALWAYS had a low turnover rate for player retention. Other schools not so much. Whens the last time an Iowa women's coach (not one who got fired) had to replace more then half the roster?
 
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The Big Z

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Once again. I'm not asking them to do anything. Why are you always trying to make my comments into some big crisis? I'm just stating this is going to be interesting to see how Jan and the staff handle things going forward. This is a complete 180 for Iowa, that's all I said. Just like in football Iowa has pretty much ALWAYS had a low turnover rate for player retention. Other schools not so much. Whens the last time an Iowa women's coach (not one who got fired) had to replace more then half the roster?
It’s never happened but the portal has just made it that way. It’s clearly something no previous coach ever had to deal with. If I misunderstood you about the culture thing then I apologize. I read it that you were questioning why so many were leaving and was the culture thing overblown? As others have said, I do think we have a culture but that’s going to certainly change moving forward when you are bound to lose 2-3-4 players almost every year.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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It’s never happened but the portal has just made it that way. It’s clearly something no previous coach ever had to deal with. If I misunderstood you about the culture thing then I apologize. I read it that you were questioning why so many were leaving and was the culture thing overblown? As others have said, I do think we have a culture but that’s going to certainly change moving forward when you are bound to lose 2-3-4 players almost every year.
It’s never happened but the portal has just made it that way. It’s clearly something no previous coach ever had to deal with. If I misunderstood you about the culture thing then I apologize. I read it that you were questioning why so many were leaving and was the culture thing overblown? As others have said, I do think we have a culture but that’s going to certainly change moving forward when you are bound to lose 2-3-4 players almost every year.
I understand losing a player or two, and obviously this year was the perfect storm. 4 or 5 seniors and then all the "non players" decided to move on along with Deal. Of course this is compounded by only landing one freshman in this class. Like I said put it all together and its kind of the perfect storm for roster turnover.