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OT…. Some believe the moon landing in 1969 was staged…. What you think

Did we land on the moon in 1969?

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Lurker123

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18IsTheMan said:
The strongest line of argumentation you get from those who believe aliens exist is "Well, they have to exist. Earth can't possibly be the only planet with life." Basically, because it's hard to believe means it can't be true. Not the most solid rationale. A non-answer.

There's no substantive answer to the question "Why can't earth be the only planet with life?" The best that can be offered up is "Well, it would be arrogant to think that." Again, that's not a rationale or justification. For one, whether one ascribes to evolution or creation, humans had nothing to do with the process, so how is it arrogant to think such? For another, just saying it's arrogant doesn't actually answer the question. In any way. In actuality, the opposite is true: it would be the most humbling thing ever to know that, whether by creation or evolution, I ended up on the one habitable planet in the universe.

So, yeah, the full extent of the pro-alien argument is: life can't possibly exist just on earth and it would be arrogant to think that. You'll have to excuse for my not being swayed by that line of non-logic.
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Not adamant in my answer enough to directly contradict you. But the logic I've seen behind the " we cant possibly being alone" idea was the sheer math behind the number of stars with the number of planets spread across the multitude of galaxies.

The sheer massive volume of potential life bearing planets would lead one to think that the Goldie locks conditions are repeated many times in the universe.

Now, one would have to believe the mechanism for life (divine intervention or evolution) would work the same throughout the universe.

So, if God really did create only us, the number of habitable planets means nothing. If we evolved on our own, then one could reasonably think other life on other planets did as well.
 
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Piscis said:
I also think the vast distances in space mean no other life form is going to come visit us. Voyager 1 has been traveling at 38,000 mph since 1977, 325 million miles a year, and only recently left our solar system. The nearest star to our sun is Proxima Centauri, it is 4.25 light years away. Voyager recently achieved a distance from Earth of one light day. This means it would take Voyager approx. 76,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.
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If you ascribe ‘traveling’ to mechanical distance movement, true. But that’s human thinking based on what we currently understand. I believe there’s a whole lot we do NOT understand.
 
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Not to mention, Russia was following our space program as closely as we were following theirs. They knew what we were up to. Nothing would have been a bigger humiliation than Russia exposing our hoax. Are we supposed to believe that NASA duped the entire Russian intelligence community but not eagle-eyed conspiracy theorists looking photographs online?
 
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18IsTheMan said:
More interesting to me is that in about the span of 70 year, we went from horse and buggy as the primary means of transportation to landing a man on the moon. In the nearly 60 years since, we haven't managed to venture any further.
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Right. That's why I can't get excited about this mission repeating something we did in the 60s. Makes the original accomplishment even more impressive.
 
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USCEE82 said:
Right. That's why I can't get excited about this mission repeating something we did in the 60s. Makes the original accomplishment even more impressive.
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I think the goal of the new moon missions is to make it feasible to build a base on the moon. A mission to Mars would ideally be launched from a point outside our atmosphere, like on the moon. China has ambitions for building a base on the moon, but obviously they need to put someone on the lunar surface (and get them home) before they can seriously plan on building one.
 
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Go Gamecocks said:
Or there was no "fall" at all for others. We are not alone on earth, just the only human species.

It should not be beyond reason that some type of non-human intelligent life form exists somewhere in the cosmos. Whether the creator has a relationship with that form of creation is anyone's guess.
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Sounds like you’re implying that human life is intelligent.
 
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After about the 3rd moon landing, Americans got bored with it. I was there. Hell, I saw the Apollo 13 launch live and in person.
 
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I'd like to know how some experts seem to know so much about Proxima Centauri. Makes you wonder....
 
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We keep cruising past it like an ex girlfriend’s house but won’t land in it. It makes me wonder why. Check out the book Alien Agenda by Jim Marrs if you’re bored.
 
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Lurker123 said:
I cant buy the idea that we've scoured the universe and only found dead planets as being conclusive. We've investigated the tiniest of slivers of it.

My ignorance, but did the Bible specifically say that Jesus only died once? And if so, was Jesus the name of the human manifestation of God. Meaning he could be called something else somewhere else.

I cant put my foot down on the creation story being referenced verbatim as I think its metaphorical.

Jmo.
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Christ died once, but he's being crucified a second time right now imo...
 
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USCEE82 said:
Right. That's why I can't get excited about this mission repeating something we did in the 60s. Makes the original accomplishment even more impressive.
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Yeah, my initial reaction was "So what? We walked on the moon nearly 60 years ago." But I think it's a necessary starting point considering the human space exploration program was dormant for over 50 years. I wouldn't say we're starting from scratch, but I don't think we could just pick back up right where we left off 50+ years ago. We haven't had that dogged determination like they had back then in quite some time. We quit because it was expensive and dangerous. So I think this just getting our legs under us again. However, if there is a change in party in 2028, the program will get shuttered.
 
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Piscis said:
I am skeptical of a manned mission to Mars any time soon. There are so many hurdles to overcome, not the least of which is the time required to travel there and back, around 7-9 months each way. The amount of fuel and supplies required would necessitate a huge rocket, which creates an even greater need for more fuel due to the size of the rocket, this is known as the "tyranny of the rocket" problem. This is only one of a number of currently unsolvable problems. Keeping astronauts alive and sane is a whole other challenge.
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I agree. I just know that is a goal. A team would be committing the better part of two years of their lives to being away from Earth. That's terrifying to me.
 
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Go Gamecocks said:
;) 19 satellites currently orbiting the moon.

One of them has taken pictures of Apollo landing sites.



Category:Satellites orbiting the Moon - Wikipedia

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I'm not a moon-landing denier, but those who do believe the federal government pulled off the greatest hoax in the history of the world, fooling 100,000+ people at NASA, a couple hundred million Americans, and untold numbers of Russian and Chinese scientists and intelligence officers - for 50+ years - aren't going to be convinced by so-called satellite images of the landing sites. Faking some satellite images of the moon would be child's play compared to pulling off the original hoax.

To me, the strongest evidence in favor of the moon landing is the nature of government secrets themselves. Historically, they don't stay secret for long. There's never been a more closely guarded government project than the Manhattan Project. Despite that, the secret lasted about 4 years before the Soviets successfully detonated their own atomic bomb. If the moon landing had been a hoax, the movement to prove it so would have had Russian and Chinese money and intelligence backing them, rather than just a relatively small number of nutty conspiracy theorists.
 
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Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running three Honda civics with spoon engines, and on top of that, he just went into Harry’s and bought three t66 turbos with nos, and a motec exhaust system.
 
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Uscg1984 said:
I'm not a moon-landing denier, but those who do believe the federal government pulled off the greatest hoax in the history of the world, fooling 100,000+ people at NASA, a couple hundred million Americans, and untold numbers of Russian and Chinese scientists and intelligence officers - for 50+ years - aren't going to be convinced by so-called satellite images of the landing sites. Faking some satellite images of the moon would be child's play compared to pulling off the original hoax.

To me, the strongest evidence in favor of the moon landing is the nature of government secrets themselves. Historically, they don't stay secret for long. There's never been a more closely guarded government project than the Manhattan Project. Despite that, the secret lasted about 4 years before the Soviets successfully detonated their own atomic bomb. If the moon landing had been a hoax, the movement to prove it so would have had Russian and Chinese money and intelligence backing them, rather than just a relatively small number of nutty conspiracy theorists.
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What about the reflectors that were placed on the moon to allow precise measurement of the distance from the lunar surface to Earth using lasers? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_retroreflectors_on_the_Moon

Or did we just launch a crapload of these to the Moon with rockets and got lucky that some landed facing Earth, without either being damaged or covered in dust?
 
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bayrooster said:
What about the reflectors that were placed on the moon to allow precise measurement of the distance from the lunar surface to Earth using lasers? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_retroreflectors_on_the_Moon

Or did we just launch a crapload of these to the Moon with rockets and got lucky that some landed facing Earth, without either being damaged or covered in dust?
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Between 1970 and 1973, the Soviet Union's Lunokhod 1 and 2 robotic rovers successfully delivered French-made retroreflectors to the lunar surface. These unmanned missions prove that reflectors can be installed without human presence.
 
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Uscg1984 said:
aren't going to be convinced by so-called satellite images of the landing sites. Faking some satellite images of the moon would be child's play compared to pulling off the original hoax.
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Those people dumb enough to believe what didn't happen wouldn't be convinced even if they themselves landed on the moon. They'd find a way to deny it.
And the same holds for video feeds from the Mars rover. Those can be explained by an AI studio.

Some people are just born to believe BS. I know some of them.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
The strongest line of argumentation you get from those who believe aliens exist is "Well, they have to exist. Earth can't possibly be the only planet with life." Basically, because it's hard to believe means it can't be true. Not the most solid rationale.
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Straw man. You don't know what people believe....you're just assuming.
 
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Piscis said:
What about the other 5 moon missions? If 1969 was a fake, were the subsequent Apollo missions also fake?

There is no way a scam that big, perpetrated by thousands upon thousands of people, could be kept secret this long.
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911 was kept secret.
 
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Harvard Gamecock said:
Well, obviously we now have proof of intelligent life that exists in the cosmos.

Gregg Phillips , recently appointed to head FEMA's office of Response and Recovery stated that he had been teleported to a (wait for it) Waffle House in. Rome, Ga. (and not his first time to be transported).

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/20/fema-gregg-phillips-waffle-house
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Was there a FBI agent there eating servings of sweet potato pie while asking questions about UFO abductions?
 
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will110 said:
Scripture does say why God created the cosmos. Here are two examples:

Genesis 1:14-16
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars.

Psalm 19:1-4
The heavens declare the glory of God,
and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
Day to day pours out speech,
and night to night reveals knowledge.
There is no speech, nor are there words,
whose voice is not heard.
Their voice goes out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world.


That doesn't get into the conversation about Jesus Christ's sacrificial death and resurrection to conquer sin and death. The Bible says He died once for sin; there doesn't seem to be room for extraterrestrial life in that conversation.

The Bible never specifically says there is or isn't life outside of Earth, but I think we can safely say, based on Scripture, that there is not.
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And that's just Christian theology. Other faiths may see it differently.
 
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rockingamecock said:
The closest star (sun) to our own is 25,000,000,000,000 miles (more than 4 light years) away...... earth is merely a speck of sand on all the beaches in the world.......to say there's no other life out there is pretty ridiculous.
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IMO, at this point, there's no way for us to conclusively state one way or the other.
 
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Spinal Tap said:
Dr. Billy Graham opined on the subject of alien existence. He allotted for the possibility and wondered if our meeting with non-Earth life might even occur in his lifetime.

He also said if they exist, then they would be part of God's creation, but that the bible we have is for His creation on Earth.

I don't believe our moon landings are a hoax at all.
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EXACTLY! The theologies present on Earth address creations on earth. IMO, this does not contradict any Earth theologies.
 
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Swifty said:
My $0.02
Yes, I believe we landed on the moon in '69 and made a few additional trips there. While I believe it could have been faked, I also believe it would've had to be just a small core of people in on it (the actual astronauts on those missions as well as another group of co-conspirators) and they would've had to pull a big one over on everyone else at NASA. I think that would be harder to do than fooling the general public. Someone would've figured it out and squealed. See: Bob Lazar. Much life flat-earthers, the moon landing hoaxers can come up with snide, snappy "gotchas" that they call proof, but all of it is extremely circumstantial and heavily laced with ignorance of the actual mathematics and logistics of those missions.
As to why we haven't been back in 50+ years, I would guess we learned all we could learn at that point. Now, it seems as though we are looking to venture to Mars at some point in the not future. I think this trip as well as the next trip that is planned to once again land on the moon are test runs of sort for that future trip to Mars. The more "routine" NASA and Space X can make trips to the moon, the more feasible the much longer trip to Mars can become.
As for alien life in the universe, I personally believe there is probably life elsewhere. Our little brains can't even begin to comprehend the size of the universe, much less have enough discernment to say with any certainty that the only life in it resides on this chuck of rock. I do not believe that contradicts with anything in Christianity. The lack of mention of life elsewhere else does not negate the possibilty of life elsewhere.
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I don't t believe that contradicts with anything in other religions as well, not just Christianity.
 
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Piscis said:
I am skeptical of a manned mission to Mars any time soon. There are so many hurdles to overcome, not the least of which is the time required to travel there and back, around 7-9 months each way. The amount of fuel and supplies required would necessitate a huge rocket, which creates an even greater need for more fuel due to the size of the rocket, this is known as the "tyranny of the rocket" problem. This is only one of a number of currently unsolvable problems. Keeping astronauts alive and sane is a whole other challenge.
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How long were astronauts up in Skylab or the like? Seems comparable in some ways to those who hunker down for the winter at research stations at the South Pole. This may help working through the sanity issue.

But yeah, I imagine there are some researchers at NASA working on these unsolvable problems.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
The strongest line of argumentation you get from those who believe aliens exist is "Well, they have to exist. Earth can't possibly be the only planet with life." Basically, because it's hard to believe means it can't be true. Not the most solid rationale. A non-answer.

There's no substantive answer to the question "Why can't earth be the only planet with life?" The best that can be offered up is "Well, it would be arrogant to think that." Again, that's not a rationale or justification. For one, whether one ascribes to evolution or creation, humans had nothing to do with the process, so how is it arrogant to think such? For another, just saying it's arrogant doesn't actually answer the question. In any way. In actuality, the opposite is true: it would be the most humbling thing ever to know that, whether by creation or evolution, I ended up on the one habitable planet in the universe.

So, yeah, the full extent of the pro-alien argument is: life can't possibly exist just on earth and it would be arrogant to think that. You'll have to excuse for my not being swayed by that line of non-logic.
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This comment supports my theory that there may very well be other life out there, but to state categorically that there is or is not other life - we just don't know. Belive one way or the other, but respect those who have a different opinion.
 
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atl-cock said:
Don't forget Fox.
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Fox mostly leaves things out. Like Jan 6th, Go to Fox and you wouldn't even know it happened. Go to CNN/MSDNC and that was the ONLY thing that happened.

I should clarify. I'm not talking about the actual events on that day. I mean the Jan 6th committee charade.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
The best that can be offered up is "Well, it would be arrogant to think that." Again, that's not a rationale or justification.
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Yeah there's that, and apparently our military, especially the Navy, have to deal with them on an almost daily basis now. It's not even news anymore it seems.
 
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