Where things stand with Iowa, Alvaro Folgueiras
Iowa is officially in transfer portal mode after it exited the NCAA tournament in the Elite Eight in the first year under Ben McCollum.
Where things stand with Iowa, Alvaro Folgueiras
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Interesting. Sounds like the staff has a number they won’t exceed with him. Guessing he will walk.
Not laughing at you. Laughing at the ridiculousness of athletes leaving because their money demands (wanting more) aren't met.
For the ones that leave schools they started at, or developed into stars/potential stars and then go on to have success and win championships at other schools because they got paid more is and always will be highly f***ing unfortunate..............but there's thousands upon thousands of cases where that doesn't come to be and it merely amounts to them treading water in college athletics with the end result being "but at least I got paid!!!
"What a f***ing joke......
Sounds like they wanting to pay him alot less than last year.....so can't really blame him there...
Yep. College football and basketball boil down to business decisions now. I don't fault either BMC or Alvaro, should he choose to leave. I like Alvaro and think he could play an important role on next year's team, but Iowa has too many other immediate needs to get into a bidding war for him. Alvaro's potential is there, but his production has been inconsistent at best. If Alvaro can get more money somewhere else, more power to him. I doubt he'll get the payday he might be hoping for, but we'll see.
Regardless, I think BMC's approach is spot on with roster construction, especially since he should draw interest from some of the top transfers in the portal. The best play for the program right now is to prioritize backcourt scoring and a big man.
Agree completely. Have a feeling the guard situation will be taken care of, but getting a rime protector may be a little difficult. Hope I am wrong.
Maybe Alvaro will be like Stirtz and Banks and turn down bigger money to play for a great coach in a program that is on the rise. Alvaro seems like an intelligent young man who may realize he's in a pretty great situation and, if he puts in the work, could be a star on an outstanding Iowa team next season.
I'll be a little surprised and disappointed if Alvaro leaves, but I also understand reality. But part of that reality is this: Until a couple years ago, college players were not paid--at least not legally. They got a scholarship--a free education--and that's about it. So whatever Alvaro would be paid for next season would put him way ahead of his recent peers, not to mention the significant amount he's already made. Alvaro was a hero vs. both Florida and Nebraska and took major minutes away from other guys who weren't playing as well in those games. The opposite happened vs. Illinois. It was fair in each instance, and Alvaro seemed to understand that. So Iowa would still be in excellent shape without him, but if he stays and improves, that would be outstanding. He's a hero in Iowa City. That, too, should be worth something. Ben's players tend to be exceptionally loyal. We'll see how that plays out with Alvaro.
I'll be a little surprised and disappointed if Alvaro leaves, but I also understand reality. But part of that reality is this: Until a couple years ago, college players were not paid--at least not legally. They got a scholarship--a free education--and that's about it. So whatever Alvaro would be paid for next season would put him way ahead of his recent peers, not to mention the significant amount he's already made. Alvaro was a hero vs. both Florida and Nebraska and took major minutes away from other guys who weren't playing as well in those games. The opposite happened vs. Illinois. It was fair in each instance, and Alvaro seemed to understand that. So Iowa would still be in excellent shape without him, but if he stays and improves, that would be outstanding. He's a hero in Iowa City. That, too, should be worth something. Ben's players tend to be exceptionally loyal. We'll see how that plays out with Alvaro.
Business is business! Moneyball works both ways.
would stirtz have been better off if he had taken more dollars instead of playing for bmac? i don’t believe so. a mature mind will think big picture and long term, but most of these guys are immature
Stirtz had been with Ben since NW MO State. This was his 3rd stop with him. Big big difference. Both guys knew what they had with each other. Alvaro's problem is he's a small Forward trapped in a 6-10 body. Ben can make him into a mismatch on the offensive end of the floor as he did against certain teams but then on the other end when he replaces Cam he has to go play Center on defense which is just not a fit. Cam does a nice job for what he does but he doesn't average a lot of minutes. He would start and normally come out after 4-5 minutes and then come back in depending on how Folgueras was doing or not doing. And it was the same the year before at Drake. Cam would start and then Banks would actually come in and play Center after the 1st 4-5 minutes for most of the half. Either way either Folgueras will need to bulk up some and get better defensively or we are going to have to find another big in the portal. Jirak could possibly give a few minutes each half but he's still got a long ways to go athletically.
Take Freeman back he should come cheaper
No way. BM has already made it clear that he likes guys that have no issue going full effort all the time and he has said he doesn’t do moodiness.
Freeman is both moody and lazy. No thanks.
Former Kentucky target Alvaro Folgueiras could leave Iowa to enter transfer portal
The March Madness hero was someone Kentucky recruited in the previous transfer portal cycle.
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The Hawkeyes had a team workout earlier this week that Folgueiras did not attend
Guy has 2-3 of the most important Iowa mbb plays of the last 25 years, and that’s your response? He should be treated like a king every time he comes back to Iowa city if he leaves or stays.
Many of the parents aren't much better. Junior is still going to listen to Mommy & Daddy for the most part IMO.
Stirtz's parents seemed to be pretty grounded, not shockingly much like their Son. (and their Son transferred 3 times, all somewhat local for them to travel, all with the same Coach, all upgrades in competition - they got it and their Son will do well whatever the future holds for him because of them).
How many people do you suppose have changed jobs for $10,000-$15,000, or even less? Maybe they were making $80k and could make $95k?
Well, maybe BMac is offering him $250,000 and he thinks he might get $750,000 to $1,000,000 in the right situation. Or, maybe $500,000. Who wouldn't enter the portal for a shot at $250,000 more money?
But, we don't know the numbers, so I can only hope that the participants to the discussion are handling it like adults.
Well, maybe BMac is offering him $250,000 and he thinks he might get $750,000 to $1,000,000 in the right situation. Or, maybe $500,000. Who wouldn't enter the portal for a shot at $250,000 more money?
But, we don't know the numbers, so I can only hope that the participants to the discussion are handling it like adults.
The women's team has had their share of 'involved' parents - see Deal and Guyton, etc...
Exactly. No one knows the numbers. I have no inside info but the familiarity he has with Iowa and not having to play for his 3rd school in 3 years could really benefit us and get us a bit of a bargain. But if that's the case how much of a bargain could we receive? An extra 1-2-$300,000+ is a significant amount for a young adult and it's easy for us arm chair qb's to clamor for loyalty. We will be fine either way. I'm confident with BM's ability to piece together a roster and it sounds like $$$ will not be a hinderance.
For that statement you should be pulled over to the curb and tased till your nuts fall off.
Why are they having team workouts now? If true then a bad sign. You see pro's do this during contract negotiations -I've never thought it was a good idea.Former Kentucky target Alvaro Folgueiras could leave Iowa to enter transfer portal
The March Madness hero was someone Kentucky recruited in the previous transfer portal cycle.
The Hawkeyes had a team workout earlier this week that Folgueiras did not attend
Love Big Al, despite how inconsistent he was. He's forever a legend in Iowa City. But I don't blame Ben for letting him walk to open up NIL resources for a 5 and a PG. If Al leaves, good luck to him wherever he goes.
Someone had mentioned they had the sit down with him yesterday or the day before. . This is a business anymore. He was paid a premium amount last year and his issue was he didn't put in the effort in drills and practices hence why he sat on the bench. It was a wake up call more than anything but also a reallocation of resources. A number was offered and it was enough which is fine. He played amazingly in the dance, which will likely get him some good money from someone. He's willing to take big shots, that has a value.
For sure. I don’t like what college sports has become like everyone else but we’re here now. I have a great job and good pay. If someone is willing to offer me 3-4x that, it’s not like I’m not gonna listen and about 95% of the population would do the same thing.
Why would he take less money to stay? They made the elite 8 largely due to his contributions. Seems like money well spent to me. Additionally, due to that run, the school is generating more interest and money. One could argue that is merit for a raise.
If he can get more I can"t disagree that he can and should take it. I also understand Iowa being apprehensive about paying him above what they think his value is. His level varies widely from game to game. It's no different than letting an NBA free agent walk for money you don't want to match.
I'll always appreciate his time here and because of what he did vs Clemson/Florida/Nebraska I would agree with you the money probably was well spent. That doesn't mean If we pay him the same or more for next year he duplicates what he did in the tournament. If Florida doesn't play that ridiculous press we're probably saying we paid him too much.
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I will add that Stirtz, unless something changed that I do not know about, was VERY wise with his NIL haul here. I suspect his upbringing (parents) guided his smart choices there too.
Not wasted on tats and gold chains, etc.
Alvaro isn't a center. We have alot of 3-4s on the team. We need a pg and a center.
Sounds like isu players took little less than they almost didn’t have enough to pay them
I was shocked when I heard that an athlete was paid one million dollars to play sports at a school. I was really shocked when I found out that was per year!
Wow! This is called "faith based funding". The only reason I know this is I've been on a church council before (no, I have no desire to do that again).
Hopefully that works out for them!
I get that
But I also get given all that being annoyed he is bolting for a better pay day. Like could you imagine if drew tate went to ole miss after the capital one bowl? Would have lost something. I dunno just me. So I get getting mad at guy who played a big part and bolts two weeks later
They can make money from merchandise with their likeness but can't actively promote it themselves (think Tory Taylor in football from the punting t-shirts although he donated all the money IIRC), but can't do any "work" like autograph signings and endorsements since they are on student visas and not work visas.
Interesting. I don't know how you put together payment packages for foreign players but there must be ways or these guys wouldn't be here.
I'm sure it's a bit more tricky than I tried to explain it and I did see they haven't finalized how to deal with the new revenue sharing stuff, which they also shouldn't qualify for "on paper" because it's basically working for the school to be compensated. But there has to be some workarounds for these things or we wouldn't even by worried about how much Alvaro was making or will make this year.