And this strategy potentially has cost us one national championship already. He has to adapt. Penn State is not just winning titles, they are breaking scoring records every year.
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I see that point - Hamiti and Hendrickson winning national championships sparked the excitement and showed what DT can do for your career. Spratley making finals. Fish making AA.
However, I think DT would still have been able to produce a Top-10 team and recruit like he did. He IS that guy. We will never know.
Taylor is not trying to win 1 championship, one year, he's trying to win them all. He did exactly what he should have done to hype the program to the moon and get the best recruits in the world to come here. You can't do that by taking a year off and redshirting everybody.
Sorry, but you are contradictory in the post.
If he would’ve punted in year 1, it changes who is in the room now, the culture put in place and RS years are actually counterproductive to mentality.
rising tide lifts all ships. If Taylor just keeps building YoY a championship will eventually come
Anyone trying to tell DT how to handle the team is laughable at this point. DT is light years ahead of us and has produced multiple champs in 2 years and made OSU exciting again he has started a tsunami that will hit PSU at some point just get behind the program and be excited. Let’s FFFFF go
This is idiotic.
Then he would have redshirted ALL of the guys in preparation for 2028. Get real dude.
Don’t pay attention to him, he bi+ches about everything.
What? No, man. That's speculation at best. It worked for Penn State in the early 2010s partially because there was no Penn State. Much has changed. There was parity at NCAAs. Post-grads weren't getting paid a living wage to train in a college room. Stud recruits weren't getting promised that same living wage. Minnesota, Iowa, and OSU traded titles for the past many decades. High school students weren't beating world champions. Every match ever wasn't available with a few clicks. Beating them now requires a different strategy.
I cannot argue with the first part of your statement. It is a very strong argument that we don't get the super recruits we did without the amazing momentum and excitement generated from DT's first year. I disagree on the second part. And I'm up for the criticism. Cael did this and it paid off. 2025, 2026 and 2027 were/are not normal years. The regular rules do not apply. We scored 131 (really 133) which was enough to win 12/20 past national championships and we got beat by FIFTY points. I am only advocating for this for one year. For two reasons, to clear out this PSU super team, and take advantage of the best freshman class in NCAA history. Our freshman class is unique. Never happened before. So your theory does not apply. I want it to have three years, not two, of having a chance to win the team national championship.
Also I am not bitching, moaning, complaining, or even remotely suggesting I know what is best over our head coach. It's just an alternate theory for discussion on a message board. I think copying what Cael Sanderson did and has done is a good idea. David Taylor has done an unbelievable job so far, and brought so much excitement to the program.
LMAO, I am NOT bitching. I'm having a blast with what's going on. It's been an amazing, fun past two years. The program couldn't be in better shape. I am on the record stating the only thing I care about is a team national championship. And as awesome as the first two years have been we are still world's away from that. I think we can win three straight starting in 2028 and it's just an IDEA on how to. On a message board by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about discussing it with other people who have no idea what they're talking about either. There are no experts on here. It's mostly just friendly discussions between wrestling fans. I eat crow with the best of them, admit when I am wrong, and own every bad take.
Agreed. My idea is that in order to beat a super team you have to build a super team and also wait for the other super team to show some weaknesses. Looking ahead with what we have and have coming our roster looks insane in 2028 and 2029. Could we find a way to keep that going in 2029 as well with this current class? That's all I'm saying. We aren't winning next year. We will get 2nd, 3rd, or 4th probably. We could redshirt some key guys and still get Top-5 and preserve them for 2030. I also don't think they will leave. I believe they all want to wrestle for David Taylor and we have the NIL budget to keep them here. I think our only transfers out will be logjam guys. I am betting my theory on the strength of the freshman class. It's the very best ever. I do not think it will ever be duplicated. To me it presents a unique opportunity.
I know some of the smarter posters here can build out the next four years rosters with the ideal situations that would have us winning 2028-30. Last thing I will say, and bash away, is this is just for fun. Not trying to piss anyone off. I do linger on the shoulda/woulda/coulda too long.
I know very well the inverse of this stupid theory is wrestle the best team every year and it builds and builds and we bust through in 2028 and win and win again in 2029 and because of that we dominate recruiting every year and it snowballs. And we replace Penn State as Kings. I hope that happens and I take all kinds of shig from everyone. The end.
Own this one then.
If we dong have the performance of last season, we don’t have a few recruits, a TON less money and a completely different culture.
Does you argument make sense, yes. Is it accurate in the big picture, nope.
What is building started with a “don’t back down” belief. An “I win national Titles” mindset. Punting and not pushing for it would’ve been a mistake. Also for the record, a mistake I wanted us to make! I’m glad David didn’t listen to me.