OT…. Some believe the moon landing in 1969 was staged…. What you think
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What about the other 5 moon missions? If 1969 was a fake, were the subsequent Apollo missions also fake?
There is no way a scam that big, perpetrated by thousands upon thousands of people, could be kept secret this long.
There is no way a scam that big, perpetrated by thousands upon thousands of people, could be kept secret this long.
Yes. FAR too many people involved to have this kept under wraps for nearly 60 years. No other evidence is needed.
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NASA Plays Incredible April Fools' Joke Of Once Again Pretending To Go To The Moon
MERRITT ISLAND, FL — In one of the biggest April Fools' jokes in decades, NASA is pretending once again to actually be going to the moon.
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Paraphrasing another Babylon Bee gem, Artemis II return to be delayed as the female astronaut insists on stopping to ask for directions. 
If aliens/extraterrestrial life exist but are actually demons, that is theological.
Paraphrasing another Babylon Bee gem, Artemis II return to be delayed as the female astronaut insists on stopping to ask for directions.
And she pointed out the windows and yelled "watch out" while the moon was still a million miles away.
By the way, did you guys know the Banylon Bee is a satire site?
I had a great conversation once about how aliens could still fit into the Christian theology. It made more sense the more I drank.
And we are definitely into the dead period.
A spinoff of that question: If aliens exist, can they play OL?
For me, just attempting to grasp the vastness of the Milky Way, and all that it encompess, it would be pretty damn arrogant to think, "We are it, and we are it alone"
Extraterrestrial life can exist in ways that we can not even comprehend.
For me, I don't see it as arrogant at all b/c we had nothing to do with it.
Does the bible say that there isn't?
I have read most of the bible and haven't seen that part yet. I also haven't read that there is either.
Scripture does say why God created the cosmos. Here are two examples:
Genesis 1:14-16
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars.
Psalm 19:1-4
The heavens declare the glory of God,
and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
Day to day pours out speech,
and night to night reveals knowledge.
There is no speech, nor are there words,
whose voice is not heard.
Their voice goes out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world.
That doesn't get into the conversation about Jesus Christ's sacrificial death and resurrection to conquer sin and death. The Bible says He died once for sin; there doesn't seem to be room for extraterrestrial life in that conversation.
The Bible never specifically says there is or isn't life outside of Earth, but I think we can safely say, based on Scripture, that there is not.
Yes. The Biblical account of creation makes it clear that God specifically designed the earth for life...and life for earth. If one believes the biblical account, it would be very odd indeed to give such a detailed account of creation but leave out life created elsewhere. Of course, evolutionists need for there to be life found elsewhere so they could there's really nothing special about earth...and hence nothing special about God/Bible/creation. The fact that we are scouring the universe and all we've found are lifeless planets is a pretty good clue.
The other major point, which you make has to do with atonement for sin and salvation. If there are sentient beings out there elsewhere in the cosmos, what of their spiritual condition? Scripture is clear that Christ died specifically for the sins of man due to the curse brought by Adam upon all mankind. Any sentient beings living elsewhere would fall outside of that. Just doesn't make sense.
The Bible doesn't speak to life outside of earth because it doesn't need to. The Bible also says nothing of centaurs and mermaids.
I cant buy the idea that we've scoured the universe and only found dead planets as being conclusive. We've investigated the tiniest of slivers of it.
My ignorance, but did the Bible specifically say that Jesus only died once? And if so, was Jesus the name of the human manifestation of God. Meaning he could be called something else somewhere else.
I cant put my foot down on the creation story being referenced verbatim as I think its metaphorical.
Jmo.
My ignorance, but did the Bible specifically say that Jesus only died once? And if so, was Jesus the name of the human manifestation of God. Meaning he could be called something else somewhere else.
I cant put my foot down on the creation story being referenced verbatim as I think its metaphorical.
Jmo.
Answering my own question:
“Jesus died once for all” underscores the complete, singular, and unrepeatable nature of His sacrifice. Throughout the New Testament, particularly in passages such as Hebrews 10:10 and 1 Peter 3:18, the language stresses that Christ’s death dealt decisively with the penalty of sin and eliminated the need for any analogous sacrifice. Hebrews 10:10 affirms, “By this will, we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” Similarly, 1 Peter 3:18 states, “For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.”
Perhaps its just my questioning nature, but I wonder if that is definitive that he could only possibly die once, or that he died once for us. Meaning the sacrifice could have been given for others who also fell. Or crap, the others could could just never have fallen from grace.
“Jesus died once for all” underscores the complete, singular, and unrepeatable nature of His sacrifice. Throughout the New Testament, particularly in passages such as Hebrews 10:10 and 1 Peter 3:18, the language stresses that Christ’s death dealt decisively with the penalty of sin and eliminated the need for any analogous sacrifice. Hebrews 10:10 affirms, “By this will, we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” Similarly, 1 Peter 3:18 states, “For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.”
Perhaps its just my questioning nature, but I wonder if that is definitive that he could only possibly die once, or that he died once for us. Meaning the sacrifice could have been given for others who also fell. Or crap, the others could could just never have fallen from grace.
Not sure. I have to wait until I'm told what to believe by the president.
Or there was no "fall" at all for others. We are not alone on earth, just the only human species.
It should not be beyond reason that some type of non-human intelligent life form exists somewhere in the cosmos. Whether the creator has a relationship with that form of creation is anyone's guess.
Or written from a perspective that is trying their best to describe what's beyond their descriptive abilities.
I firmly believe there is a way that science fits into the creation story, but only if we're open minded enough to allow room for it.
Afterall, science is God's creation.
19 satellites currently orbiting the moon.One of them has taken pictures of Apollo landing sites.
Category:Satellites orbiting the Moon - Wikipedia
More interesting to me is that in about the span of 70 year, we went from horse and buggy as the primary means of transportation to landing a man on the moon. In the nearly 60 years since, we haven't managed to venture any further.
The closest star (sun) to our own is 25,000,000,000,000 miles (more than 4 light years) away...... earth is merely a speck of sand on all the beaches in the world.......to say there's no other life out there is pretty ridiculous.
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Dr. Billy Graham opined on the subject of alien existence. He allotted for the possibility and wondered if our meeting with non-Earth life might even occur in his lifetime.
He also said if they exist, then they would be part of God's creation, but that the bible we have is for His creation on Earth.
I don't believe our moon landings are a hoax at all.
He also said if they exist, then they would be part of God's creation, but that the bible we have is for His creation on Earth.
I don't believe our moon landings are a hoax at all.
My $0.02
Yes, I believe we landed on the moon in '69 and made a few additional trips there. While I believe it could have been faked, I also believe it would've had to be just a small core of people in on it (the actual astronauts on those missions as well as another group of co-conspirators) and they would've had to pull a big one over on everyone else at NASA. I think that would be harder to do than fooling the general public. Someone would've figured it out and squealed. See: Bob Lazar. Much life flat-earthers, the moon landing hoaxers can come up with snide, snappy "gotchas" that they call proof, but all of it is extremely circumstantial and heavily laced with ignorance of the actual mathematics and logistics of those missions.
As to why we haven't been back in 50+ years, I would guess we learned all we could learn at that point. Now, it seems as though we are looking to venture to Mars at some point in the not future. I think this trip as well as the next trip that is planned to once again land on the moon are test runs of sort for that future trip to Mars. The more "routine" NASA and Space X can make trips to the moon, the more feasible the much longer trip to Mars can become.
As for alien life in the universe, I personally believe there is probably life elsewhere. Our little brains can't even begin to comprehend the size of the universe, much less have enough discernment to say with any certainty that the only life in it resides on this chuck of rock. I do not believe that contradicts with anything in Christianity. The lack of mention of life elsewhere else does not negate the possibilty of life elsewhere.
Yes, I believe we landed on the moon in '69 and made a few additional trips there. While I believe it could have been faked, I also believe it would've had to be just a small core of people in on it (the actual astronauts on those missions as well as another group of co-conspirators) and they would've had to pull a big one over on everyone else at NASA. I think that would be harder to do than fooling the general public. Someone would've figured it out and squealed. See: Bob Lazar. Much life flat-earthers, the moon landing hoaxers can come up with snide, snappy "gotchas" that they call proof, but all of it is extremely circumstantial and heavily laced with ignorance of the actual mathematics and logistics of those missions.
As to why we haven't been back in 50+ years, I would guess we learned all we could learn at that point. Now, it seems as though we are looking to venture to Mars at some point in the not future. I think this trip as well as the next trip that is planned to once again land on the moon are test runs of sort for that future trip to Mars. The more "routine" NASA and Space X can make trips to the moon, the more feasible the much longer trip to Mars can become.
As for alien life in the universe, I personally believe there is probably life elsewhere. Our little brains can't even begin to comprehend the size of the universe, much less have enough discernment to say with any certainty that the only life in it resides on this chuck of rock. I do not believe that contradicts with anything in Christianity. The lack of mention of life elsewhere else does not negate the possibilty of life elsewhere.
Add in the fact that the Milky Way represents one of two trillion galaxies in the universe and I'm confident life, even complex sentient life, exists elsewhere.
I also think the vast distances in space mean no other life form is going to come visit us. Voyager 1 has been traveling at 38,000 mph since 1977, 325 million miles a year, and only recently left our solar system. The nearest star to our sun is Proxima Centauri, it is 4.25 light years away. Voyager recently achieved a distance from Earth of one light day. This means it would take Voyager approx. 76,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.
I am skeptical of a manned mission to Mars any time soon. There are so many hurdles to overcome, not the least of which is the time required to travel there and back, around 7-9 months each way. The amount of fuel and supplies required would necessitate a huge rocket, which creates an even greater need for more fuel due to the size of the rocket, this is known as the "tyranny of the rocket" problem. This is only one of a number of currently unsolvable problems. Keeping astronauts alive and sane is a whole other challenge.
A funny thing about the conspiracy theories is that they believe this is the most well-executed hoax in the history of mankind, involving likely well over 100,000 people (some estimates say 400,000 total were involved in the Apollo mission) across dozens of countries. It was done so well that from hundreds of thousands of people over decades and decades, there wasn't one single slip up and the truth was revealed.
Yet, in spite of pulling off the most well-executed and airtight hoax in history, NASA botched it with basic things like lighting and fake wind in the photos and videos of the landing.
It's been noted that landing deniers have no actual proof. They haven't managed to dig up a single person to say it was fake. Not even the set designer or lighting guy or janitor.
It was also incredibly expensive to make those trips. However, if the associated costs came down enough (thanks to advancements in technologies like reusability) where it was economically feasible to return, we would.
Ha, just remembered that we had a moon landing denier on this board.
He also thought you and I were the same poster.
The strongest line of argumentation you get from those who believe aliens exist is "Well, they have to exist. Earth can't possibly be the only planet with life." Basically, because it's hard to believe means it can't be true. Not the most solid rationale. A non-answer.
There's no substantive answer to the question "Why can't earth be the only planet with life?" The best that can be offered up is "Well, it would be arrogant to think that." Again, that's not a rationale or justification. For one, whether one ascribes to evolution or creation, humans had nothing to do with the process, so how is it arrogant to think such? For another, just saying it's arrogant doesn't actually answer the question. In any way. In actuality, the opposite is true: it would be the most humbling thing ever to know that, whether by creation or evolution, I ended up on the one habitable planet in the universe.
So, yeah, the full extent of the pro-alien argument is: life can't possibly exist just on earth and it would be arrogant to think that. You'll have to excuse for my not being swayed by that line of non-logic.
There's no substantive answer to the question "Why can't earth be the only planet with life?" The best that can be offered up is "Well, it would be arrogant to think that." Again, that's not a rationale or justification. For one, whether one ascribes to evolution or creation, humans had nothing to do with the process, so how is it arrogant to think such? For another, just saying it's arrogant doesn't actually answer the question. In any way. In actuality, the opposite is true: it would be the most humbling thing ever to know that, whether by creation or evolution, I ended up on the one habitable planet in the universe.
So, yeah, the full extent of the pro-alien argument is: life can't possibly exist just on earth and it would be arrogant to think that. You'll have to excuse for my not being swayed by that line of non-logic.
Yes, this satire
Several good ones, especially Somali Daycare
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Several good ones, especially Somali Daycare
8 Shocking Things Artemis II Found On The Far Side Of The Moon
The dark side of the moon has long been the subject of myth and speculation. What mysteries lie beyond the known lunar surface in that dark realm beyond our telescopes?
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Someone on here has said that Scripture is silent on extraterrestrial life. And that is true. Therefore, what God has determined is not important enough to be included in His Word has a bearing on what IS important.
For instance, God has said He created everything, including man and woman, and we were made in His likeness. That is very important. No other part of creation has this said about them. Only man and woman. He has given us an immortal soul, the ability to reason (intellect) and to will, the ability to know God and to worship Him. We are like God in these respects.
But human beings wanted to go their own way, and we sinned. In the vernacular of today, we would say we wanted “to do our own thing apart from what God wanted.” We do the opposite of what God desires. One example: God tells us that to look on a woman to lust after her is equivalent to adultery. It is sin. God says our sin separated us from Him because He is a holy God and cannot associate with sin.
If God left it at that, we’d have no hope, no forgiveness of our sin. But He didn’t leave us without hope. No, in mercy and love, God gave up His own Son so that those who put their trust in Jesus Christ could and would live forever with Him. Their sin would be forgiven. For it is by faith in His provision we are saved. Not anything we do. Not church. Not being “good” (speaking of mankind, “there is no one righteous, not even one!”), not heritage…not any good work that we do.
So, if God is silent on a topic, I’m content to focus on what He has given us in His Word. Life is found in God’s words, not in man’s reasoning.
For instance, God has said He created everything, including man and woman, and we were made in His likeness. That is very important. No other part of creation has this said about them. Only man and woman. He has given us an immortal soul, the ability to reason (intellect) and to will, the ability to know God and to worship Him. We are like God in these respects.
But human beings wanted to go their own way, and we sinned. In the vernacular of today, we would say we wanted “to do our own thing apart from what God wanted.” We do the opposite of what God desires. One example: God tells us that to look on a woman to lust after her is equivalent to adultery. It is sin. God says our sin separated us from Him because He is a holy God and cannot associate with sin.
If God left it at that, we’d have no hope, no forgiveness of our sin. But He didn’t leave us without hope. No, in mercy and love, God gave up His own Son so that those who put their trust in Jesus Christ could and would live forever with Him. Their sin would be forgiven. For it is by faith in His provision we are saved. Not anything we do. Not church. Not being “good” (speaking of mankind, “there is no one righteous, not even one!”), not heritage…not any good work that we do.
So, if God is silent on a topic, I’m content to focus on what He has given us in His Word. Life is found in God’s words, not in man’s reasoning.