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This is one of my wife's coworkers on the bike. You have to look at the right hand side of the screen.
This is one of my wife's coworkers on the bike. You have to look at the right hand side of the screen.
OT: Bike vs Car, who is at fault?
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My dad always told me and I told both of my kids, when it comes to walking or biking, the car always wins. Not sure who is at fault there and not sure what the bike was even trying to do.
ETA: went back and watched with the screen blown up. That's definitely on the bike, you can't just cross like that, he should have been stopped and watching and waiting. I'll go back to my original statement on that one, When it comes to walking or biking, the car always wins.
ETA: went back and watched with the screen blown up. That's definitely on the bike, you can't just cross like that, he should have been stopped and watching and waiting. I'll go back to my original statement on that one, When it comes to walking or biking, the car always wins.
Is that a sidewalk or a MUP?
- If that is a MUP, then that is a proper place for a bicycle and it is the driver's fault.
- If that is a sidewalk, then it is complex and local law varies. With that said, the car doesnt even attempt to come to a stop before the sidewalk crossing.
Bicycles belong on the road and not sidewalks, but that doesnt absolve a driver from hitting a cyclist that is crossing on a sidewalk.
- If that is a MUP, then that is a proper place for a bicycle and it is the driver's fault.
- If that is a sidewalk, then it is complex and local law varies. With that said, the car doesnt even attempt to come to a stop before the sidewalk crossing.
Bicycles belong on the road and not sidewalks, but that doesnt absolve a driver from hitting a cyclist that is crossing on a sidewalk.
It did not appear the car stopped at all before the crosswalk and I think that's law in most states. But my general opinion when seeing a cyclist in an urban or otherwise densely populated area is...
Exactly. Car is at fault. Not that that helps the bicyclist any. Hope he's ok. I would not want to ride a bike on a road that busy.
That's not what I said, I said the bike is at fault. He was just cruising down a sidewalk right in front of a car pulling out of a parking lot. He should have stopped and made sure no car was pulling out. It's not on the car to make sure no bikes are coming, although he should obviously be looking too. I see bikers run stop signs every day, and rarely obeying ANY rules of the road.
I don't but it's not a bad idea especially for stuff like that. I had someone hydroplane and hit me several years ago on I10 and a truck driver behind me caught it all on his camera, like HD. It was scary to watch but all I had to do was send it to the insurance company and that was over quick.
Bikes are required to follow the rules of the road. Bikers are not pedestrians. For that reason bikes do not belong on the sidewalk. I get the fact that the sidewalk was not busy and the road was but if the bike wants to travel as a pedestrian he should act like one and not barge out in front of a car from the sidewalk. With that said, the car did not stop but I also do not see a stop sign at the intersection either.
I would put the biker as primarily at fault but both shared some responsibility.
I would put the biker as primarily at fault but both shared some responsibility.
I don't pretend to know the law at all, but, I do know on campus anyway all bikes and scooters (I hate those Mother17in scooters) are supposed to be walked across all crosswalks.
I was at the intersection behind the Hand Lab and front of TK Martin Center recently and saw one go flying through that intersection and turning w/out stopping for the STOP signs and that little front wheel dropped into a little pothole and that scooter stopped on a dime like it had a chain holding it back and ole boy went flying over the little handlebars and hit with his palms and knees first on the pavement. He rolled around several times and got up and looked at those road rash palms and knees and laid back down before someone walked out to check on him. Pavement 1 Scooter 0!
I was at the intersection behind the Hand Lab and front of TK Martin Center recently and saw one go flying through that intersection and turning w/out stopping for the STOP signs and that little front wheel dropped into a little pothole and that scooter stopped on a dime like it had a chain holding it back and ole boy went flying over the little handlebars and hit with his palms and knees first on the pavement. He rolled around several times and got up and looked at those road rash palms and knees and laid back down before someone walked out to check on him. Pavement 1 Scooter 0!
I don’t at the moment, but I’m seriously thinking about getting dash cams for our semi trucks because people are absolute idiots driving on the road now.
Exactly. I had a friend at State that would just troop right out into intersections without a glance on campus because pedestrians had the right of way. I told him he could put that on his headstone when a car flattened him.
I see all sorts of road users breaking rules of the road every day.
In my state, it is explicitly stated that a vehicle must come to a stop before a sidewalk when the vehicle is exiting a private drive/lot/alley. Yet countless cars do what the car in this video did, and straight up ignore that sidewalk.
Cars constantly break driving laws. Trucks constantly break driving laws. Delivery vans constantly break driving laws. Motorcycles constantly break driving laws. Escooters constantly break driving laws. Bicycles constantly break driving laws.
I see no reason to claim one group is worse, but if I had to, it would obviously be vehicle drivers(cars and trucks) because there are simply more of them too.
My point isn't about the law, it's about who lives, and that's the car. My point about not obeying the rules of the road is that when the bike breaks those rules in front of a car it's likely not going to come out well whether the car broke a rule or not. In other words, the biker should be much more careful than he was. Not saying the car did everything right but it's on the bike to be more careful than that.
Car is at fault but biker is an idiot for assuming a car would stop. Congratulations to your wife's coworker on his incoming windfall, and for the likely newly gained ability to know when it's going to rain.
I thought you were referencing who is legally at fault since you posted the the bike is at fault, and then you claim the car is not responsible for ensuring the sidewalk is clear before moving through it.
The issue is that a bike moving WAY faster than a pedestrian could walk ran in front of this car from a sidewalk where he had no legal right to travel. No doubt the car driver likely bears some responsibility but far from all of it.
I agree- this is what I posted in my initial comment. Bikes should not be on sidewalks for this reason and fault should be split.
My response to Timber was based on thinking his comments were from a legal perspective. He said they arent(not really sure what perspective they are then from, considering this is a 'who is at fault' thread) so I clarified why I thought they were.
Can y’all post if you ride your bicycle on the road or not? I need to know which way your posts are slanted as I try to make up my mind about who is at fault.
Bikes are too fast for sidewalk traffic and too slow for vehicle lanes. Keep them on neighborhood streets or at the park.
I'm not sure what the law says but bikes in a pedestrian sidewalk aren't safe. You are asking for trouble. I can't tell in the video. Did they just cruise through the crosswalk or did they at least try to slow down/stop like a pedestrian would? I don't ever cross traffic as a cyclist or pedestrian until I've made eye contact with whoever may be able to run me over - or at least be comfortable that I know they see me.
No I meant whose fault is it that the biker got smashed into the street by a car. I say it's the biker because he is the one that is most vulnerable.
The bike was in the right turn lane so he should have turned right. Of course, you're not supposed to pull out in front of vehicles regardless of the lane they're in or even if they have a signal on.
They have to obey the same traffic rules as cars/other vehicles do. Bikers have to remember that they are less visible than cars too and be more cautious.
They have to obey the same traffic rules as cars/other vehicles do. Bikers have to remember that they are less visible than cars too and be more cautious.
You could not pay me enough to get me to ride a bike on some of the roads I encounter bikers on all the time. It isn't a question of having the right to do it but worth the risk of doing it.
Doesn't look like he should be hurt too badly. He wasn't hit that hard. Maybe a fractured leg on that side.
I did, full screen this time and several times, and he went straight in the turn lane.
The bike can be seen travelling on the sidewalk. Then as he go onto the pavement he swerved to his right to avoid T-boning the car and moved directly into the car's path. If he was in any turn lane he was going the wrong way in it.
The cyclist is moving towards the camera. The cyclist is going in the opposite direction of the vehicle that filmed the incident.
You can even see the cyclist swerve to the right to try and avoid the car as it rolls straight thru the sidewalk crossing.
Can y'all post if you drive a lifted parking lot princess everywhere but never actually haul anything or never go offroad or not? I need to know which way your posts are slanted as I try to make up my mind about who is at fault.
I had to get a big truck to haul your mom.
I’ve seen bike riders on old West Point road OWP!!! One got killed a few years back. Also on oktoc road. Cars/trucks always win. Make better choices
Seems like the comment 'make better choices' should be made to whoever is at fault.
If a vehicle driver is at fault for killing a cyclist, maybe focus that comment on the driver since their poor choice caused the death of another person.
And if the cyclist was at fault and caused their own death, then that is worth others learning from so they can stay safe.