AJ going to be a Hawk?
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I have a novel idea. Why don’t we work with our top 15 recruit 97, and actually help him get better at wrestling?
He isn't quite ready, at least in my opinion.Maybe he will develop over the summer. Terry Brands didn't start 4 years.
He isn't quite ready, at least in my opinion.Maybe he will develop over the summer. Terry Brands didn't start 4 years.
Terry Brands freshman year would have been the two or three seed at nationals.
it wasn’t not “ because he wasn’t ready” that he didn’t make the roster for Big 10’s that year.
Steve Martin beat Brands in a tryout before Big 10’s and ended up the 8 seed at nationals. He was also the 8 seed at nationals the next year. A solid wrestler but would lose to the top guys (he did beat Zeke Jones in the Midlands finals once) but could always figure out how to beat Terry Brands and Chad Zaputil when it counted.
Back to the point, Brands WAS ready and would have most likely finished top three his freshman year. Same for Zaputil the next year…
Are you saying the worries about NIL go restricting amounts paid to wrestlers is not real? I’ve had my doubts.
It isn’t given to them. They have to come up with it out of whatever money they take in. That’s why people are so concerned about non revenue sports and why so many schools (like ISU) are freaking out because they really don’t have access to revenue streams that will allow them to keep up.
I was told, by a person who should know more than anyone, that only football made money last year. Yes, MBB has upside.
Yes, but they were already sold out for cheap prices and still lose the most amount of dough of any sport. Should we try to make it up on volume?
I'm sure that is true when you ignore the massive amount of TV revenue generated by basketball.
Includes that revenue.
A review of public records would reveal these issues as they have in the past. Of course, they are dated and posted way after the fiscal year is ended. I don't have an interest in doing that, just how other sports affect wrestling. My interest is wrestling while petting the golden goose, and how obvious imbalances make no fiscal sense.
A question from 30,000 feet; "Why have some of these money losing sports at all?" Same as money losing colleges with the U. When I was on the Accounting dept advisory board the Dean of the biz school told us the Biz school gets 70 cents on the tuition dollar (because it is well attended and makes money in a variety of ways), and other colleges get 130 cents because no one gets those degrees any more. That too is non-sensical to me. Add in that the U should buy and develop a trade school because that is in fact "an institution of higher learning" and needed today.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
NCAA sports wasn't designed to make fiscal sense. Otherwise would only be 2 programs at universities and no women's programs ever. Why does anyone who doesn't have any kids have to pay a local school tax?
From reading another article last week speaking about the elite 8 teams. Per insiders-most men's bball teams need to be at least $10m if they are serious about competing nowadays. The really elites like Kentucky, Indiana etc are $15m. I believe Iowa got to $10m for the first time so Beth is doing what it takes to get the program thriving again. I would assume that's still the number moving forward.
Also seems to be knowledge that Fulgarius is paid $1.5m and most think McCollum wont renew that given another school will out pay that and he was very inconsistent all year.
From reading another article last week speaking about the elite 8 teams. Per insiders-most men's bball teams need to be at least $10m if they are serious about competing nowadays. The really elites like Kentucky, Indiana etc are $15m. I believe Iowa got to $10m for the first time so Beth is doing what it takes to get the program thriving again. I would assume that's still the number moving forward.
Also seems to be knowledge that Fulgarius is paid $1.5m and most think McCollum wont renew that given another school will out pay that and he was very inconsistent all year.
Fair points - in reality most men's basketball teams lose money as well. Football most always foots the bill, no pun intended. Butts in the seats does matter. In many cases more money is spent on over priced concessions/souvenirs than what was paid for a ticket. And IMO - it won't take too many more years for WBB to fall back to 4th place in fandom support.
Yup. Lives in Adel in a modest house and drives a F150 pick up.
There are ways to make that up. For example the early season tournaments will pay out teams in basketball. ISU for example I believe made $1.5m in that one tourney and it went into the pot for Pollard to divide up later. Many reports were TJ would prefer it not go into a pot and directly into the program that won it. Think all coaches want that.
I guess NCAA Wrestling needs to find a way to get early season payouts for tournaments but issue is its only a handful of teams that could ever cash it right? Which bring us back to Cael. He has all the money he need so he isn't interested in bring his team somewhere to promote it for other teams to try to make money to catch up with him. Two things can be true. I dont blame him and Cael has always been about Cael.
He has given/committed 1 billion to his Alma Mater McPherson College in Kansas. He's not donating to either Iowa/ISU. You could argue Iowa indirectly benefits from him given one of Iowas bigger boosters has managed some of his money.
1 billion to Iowa wrestling would even the playing field
It must pain Spooner deeply to have this discussion in the "AJ going to..." thread
Anything to manufacture chaos in his world-sign me up. Its slow on a tuesday!
I love the irony of a debate regarding university finances and academic programming coming up in an AJ thread.
That's not correct. See this article.
Blurb:
Even after paying $2.2 million in severance to fired coach Fran McCaffery, the men’s program cleared $3.4 million in profit
Your 30,000 feet question is an interesting one. Unfortunately, wrestling is firmly on the table when pondering that question.
AJ was just named a NCAA Scholar All-American last week, along with Angelo, Drake, Block and PK.
A gentleman and a scholar.
Hmmm - what sport other than basketball have we seen similar trends lately?
I see the reference and will stand corrected for now. The reporter obviously looked at the financials I'd like to see them some time when I get free time, which is likely never.
I too see that there is a reference to WBB not getting rev from Big T TV rights. That too is an issue for wrestling. They are on the Big T network providing content, but not broken out separate. Would be interesting to see that.
I do think wrestling could make money if that was an emphasis.
In any case, we carry on under "AJs" thread.
Next time I'm in IC, let's have a cheeseburger at George's with a Bud to wash it down
He’s not low IQ, just has struggled with common sense.
The difference in the total potential revenue generated from a successful men's basketball program versus wrestling is not even in the same hemisphere. Even at Iowa. It will not be the primary reason why TNT would be let go.
Last time I was there they had no Bud products had to settle for a miller lite, I love me some George's
I think you're right. I had the Belgium Bud, Stella. And
You're right. I had the Belgium Bud.....Stella and some Sterzings pchips.
My final 3 years I lived close by. Paglia's (sic), Dirty John's, the Nick, Hamburg Inn, and Pearson's which made the best shakes on the planet.
That would make too much sense for today's institutions of higher learning... but I couldn't agree more.
Imagine being able to wrestle at Iowa and also learn to be an electrician etc. I really don't understand why that isn't a thing at more schools. Its not a hard concept. Better than a Liberal Arts degree to mow lawns after graduation.
A Master of anything (electric, plumbing, hvac etc) is six figures day one. And, people are kissing your *** to work for them
Agreed - it might bring too much different thinking for higher academia's comfort.
Higher Academia can't get their head around a sensible solution to a societal need. Too funny and sad