Military Strikes on Iran Imminent

dpic73

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What are you even babbling about? Who said anything about an apology, numbnuts?
 

dpic73

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Ok. Here we go

Ari, you know better than this. You’ve been inside the room. You understand how alliances actually function, not just how they’re talked about on cable hits.

NATO was never meaningfully consulted here. Not brought in as partners. Not treated as allies whose buy-in mattered. Instead, for years they’ve been publicly dressed down, threatened, and told outright that they’re on their own. When the President of the United States repeatedly questions the value of the alliance, floats walking away from Article 5, and even talks about things like taking Greenland, you don’t get trust—you get hedging.

So now there’s a major war raging on their own continent, and those countries are being asked to stretch even thinner for an operation they had no role in shaping, led by a president who has made clear he views alliances as transactional at best and disposable at worst. Of course they’re cautious. Of course they’re calculating risk. And yes—of course they’re worried they’ll be left holding the bag when Trump inevitably changes course or loses interest.

That’s not freeloading. That’s rational behavior in response to uncertainty we created.

You’re right that some European countries have underinvested in defense. That’s been true for years, and many have started correcting it—especially since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. But let’s not pretend this moment exists in a vacuum. Trust is cumulative. And it’s been burned down repeatedly.

And the idea that this is about “refusing to help the U.S. rid the world of Iran” ignores the bigger strategic picture. European nations are dealing with an active land war, energy insecurity, domestic political strain, and the very real possibility that U.S. commitments to NATO could evaporate overnight. You don’t expand commitments under those conditions—you consolidate.

You know this, Ari. And I think you know why this argument doesn’t hold up.

But somewhere along the way, you traded that understanding for applause lines. You’ve sold yourself at the altar of popularity instead of leveling with people about the complexity here.

Alliances aren’t maintained by ultimatums and public humiliation. They’re maintained by trust, consultation, and consistency. We’ve offered too little of that lately—and now we’re seeing the result.
 
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Dungeon09

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First of all- the post was directed at dpinc , not some pvssy lib that randomly jumps into threads. I’m sorry that’s beyond your comprehension.
I guess expecting you to be able to read and comprehend your own posts is too high a bar.
Wait, wait wait…
I didn’t see one post from any lib OTB regarding the successful rescue of 2 US soldiers that were shot down by a regime that wants everyone of us dead(even gay no king protesters like you aren’t exempt)
 

Dungeon09

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I guess expecting you to comprehend that it was in reply to a certain poster is a bar too high. Are you a gay, no king protester? If you are, then I stand corrected
You call anyone who disagrees with you gay because you have the intellectual constitution of a 6th grader who routinely shıts their pants on the playground. You only have one joke.
 
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Chumpsky

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I'm starting to wonder whether Trump is trying to provoke a terrorist attack in the U.S., by either Iran or a proxy group.

Saying into a microphone that he might end their whole country in one night implies a nuclear threat.
 

ANEW

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I'm starting to wonder whether Trump is trying to provoke a terrorist attack in the U.S., by either Iran or a proxy group.

Saying into a microphone that he might end their whole country in one night implies a nuclear threat.
Nuclear threat?? We are bombing anything we want in Iran at will.
 
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TigerGrowls

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A middle-aged @usairforce colonel went through a shoot down and a parachute drop, was severely injured, treated his own wounds, ran five miles in enemy territory, climbed a 7,000-foot mountain, radioed the proclamation, "God is good," and then holed up in a crevice in near-freezing temperatures for two days while his brothers and sisters came to rescue him. That's America; that's the American military; that's the United States Air Force.
 

TigerGrowls

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Democrats are telling U.S. troops to REFUSE ORDERS because destroying power plants is a war crime. Let's go back in time.

- Serbia's power grid: Destroyed by Bill Clinton
- North Vietnam's power grid: Destroyed by Lyndon B. Johnson
- Iraq's power grid: Bush Sr.

Nobody wants war, but it's time to finish the job and move on.
 
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