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Convert to a horse and buggy plan. No strain on the electrical grid….just some poop to deal with.
 
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What decision would I make?
Thank you for asking. As President, I would focus funding on domestic growth. This means I would not commit the US to any new wars that werent actually necessary and I would expand sections of the government that would help generate domestic growth- transportation and infrastructure being key parts of that growth.
I would work to better understand why delays and costs have increased, and figure out how to legally get around as many as possible. I would also publicly announce that my Administration would work alongside the state to more quickly resolve the delays as a way to help pressure them into accepting the help(and the Federal funding).




This project has been an abject failure under Gov Brown and Gov Newsom, and is rightfully the poster child for all the generalized fear mongering people like to utilize when complaining about 'waste fraud and abuse'.
Now is the time to focus Domestically and fund Domestic programs which will actually make Americans happier/healthier/wealthier/safer.

What I wouldnt do is propose what is below.

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tbaydog said:
www.foxnews.com

Newsom's California rail project now expected to cost $126B, official admits, with still no tracks laid

California's high-speed rail costs have ballooned to an estimated $126 billion, with critics calling the LA-to-San Francisco project a "train to nowhere."
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As a part of our America First stance, we should forgo all internal funding for the country until we can fully fund all potential wars that we want to start with our department of war. So, no DOT funding for any state, or any other domestic program and tell states they can't spend their own money anything for their residents either.

Exception: tax free contributions to any destruction/construction of the white house as there is a terrible need for gaudy ballrooms.
 
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high speed trains have proven to be an extraordinarily good thing in multiple other countries. WTF are we doing wrong?

To everybody who is “America first”, this is literally one of the things that needs to get figured out
 
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mstateglfr said:
What decision would I make?
Thank you for asking. As President, I would focus funding on domestic growth. This means I would not commit the US to any new wars that werent actually necessary and I would expand sections of the government that would help generate domestic growth- transportation and infrastructure being key parts of that growth.
I would work to better understand why delays and costs have increased, and figure out how to legally get around as many as possible. I would also publicly announce that my Administration would work alongside the state to more quickly resolve the delays as a way to help pressure them into accepting the help(and the Federal funding).




This project has been an abject failure under Gov Brown and Gov Newsom, and is rightfully the poster child for all the generalized fear mongering people like to utilize when complaining about 'waste fraud and abuse'.
Now is the time to focus Domestically and fund Domestic programs which will actually make Americans happier/healthier/wealthier/safer.

What I wouldnt do is propose what is below.

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so to be clear you agree the California railway project has been a complete disaster to this point?
 
DesotoCountyDawg

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I don’t have much time to look things up right now, but what does it cost to ride on high speed rail in Europe and I ask this because if they were to build something like this with the exorbitant cost, would it be so expensive that no one could ride it other than very wealthy people.
 
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HailStout said:
high speed trains have proven to be an extraordinarily good thing in multiple other countries. WTF are we doing wrong?

To everybody who is “America first”, this is literally one of the things that needs to get figured out
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There are several reasons why high-speed rail hasn't taken off in America. I think in certain, specific areas it can be successful (northeast corridor has some, texas metro connect) but this pie in the sky idea that all of America should be like Europe and have high speed commuter rail is just not feasible.

1. Geography is a major factor considering the United States is massive in comparison to Europe.
2. Majority of our major cities were built with cars in mind, and we have become a car centric nation with the build out of our interstate system. around a century ago the major players in the car industry (ford, firestone etc) agreed to push cars over trains.
3. As a nation we prioritize freight rail over passenger rail.
4. Self driving cars are already coming onto the scene and they will just get better and better. It would be a massive waste of money to go and build out a passenger rail infrastructure when in the next couple of decades, the majority will have fully autonomous self-driving vehicles.

The time for America to have fully functioning passenger rail line everywhere was over 100 years ago. The time has passed and we opted for cars and planes.
 
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DesotoCountyDawg said:
I don’t have much time to look things up right now, but what does it cost to ride on high speed rail in Europe and I ask this because if they were to build something like this with the exorbitant cost, would it be so expensive that no one could ride it other than very wealthy people.
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Not apples to apples, but cost for a trip of any decent length appears to be 50 - 150 US dollars in both Europe and Japan. The shorter trips in Japan only cost about 10 bucks. That one is 49 miles. Of note, the high speed trains make that trip in 30-40 minutes. The bullet train makes it in 18.

 
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tbaydog said:
www.foxnews.com

Newsom's California rail project now expected to cost $126B, official admits, with still no tracks laid

California's high-speed rail costs have ballooned to an estimated $126 billion, with critics calling the LA-to-San Francisco project a "train to nowhere."
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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An absolutely idiotic strategy of running the line up the Central Valley instead of along I-5. And, of course, with CA being a one-party state, there will be no accountability for this boondoggle.
 
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What are the chances that "regulatory and permitting issues" are the hold up?

Californians can't cry a river when they've voted for more and more red tape over the past 40 years.

And per Google Ai...

As of March 2026, only one single-family home has been officially rebuilt and received a certificate of occupancy in Pacific Palisades following the devastating January 2025 fires.
 
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aTotal360 said:
What are the chances that "regulatory and permitting issues" are the hold up?

Californians can't cry a river when they've voted for more and more red tape over the past 40 years.

And per Google Ai...

As of March 2026, only one single-family home has been officially rebuilt and received a certificate of occupancy in Pacific Palisades following the devastating January 2025 fires.
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The California Nazis will see to it that none of the Pacific Palisades homes are ever rebuilt. If you lost your home in those fires, you are just screwed.
 
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aTotal360 said:
What are the chances that "regulatory and permitting issues" are the hold up?

Californians can't cry a river when they've voted for more and more red tape over the past 40 years.

And per Google Ai...

As of March 2026, only one single-family home has been officially rebuilt and received a certificate of occupancy in Pacific Palisades following the devastating January 2025 fires.
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When I read your post it reminded me of Bill Maher talking about how he wanted to put solar panels on his house and it took nearly four years and 14 different inspectors and dozens of permits to get it done.
 
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Timeline of California's decades-long billion-dollar high-speed rail project | Fox Business

A timeline of California’s high-speed rail project, which Transportation Secretary Duffy says has cost around $15 billion with not a singular high-speed track laid.
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I’m confused. So it went down in cost?
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$15 Billion is what has been spent to date....It is incredible there's another $115 billion in projected costs and this thing was voted on 18 years ago. They're spending 1 billion per year so far. If that timeline holds up we'll all be dead when its finished. All this and California has been hovering in the top 3 highest states with regard to unemployment in the last year.
 
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BoDawg.sixpack said:

Timeline of California's decades-long billion-dollar high-speed rail project | Fox Business

A timeline of California’s high-speed rail project, which Transportation Secretary Duffy says has cost around $15 billion with not a singular high-speed track laid.
www.foxbusiness.com www.foxbusiness.com


$15 Billion is what has been spent to date....It is incredible there's another $115 billion in projected costs and this thing was voted on 18 years ago. They're spending 1 billion per year so far. If that timeline holds up we'll all be dead when its finished. All this and California has been hovering in the top 3 highest states with regard to unemployment in the last year.
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Woah, they broke ground in 2015 or 2016. Something like that.

It is not a successful project so far, but your math isn't correct. Its closer to $1.5B/year.
Let's be on the same page here.
 
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I do hope CA can navigate the lawsuits and engineering challenges, and succeed with this rail initiative.

It would be intertesting to see if it is viable.
Wasted money is obviously not good, but if this can be built and operate for half a century, maybe it ends up being a really incredible project.
 
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mstateglfr said:
It didn’t start until 2015 or 2016.
Let's get some more accurate numbers here. It isn't about $1B/year. It's closer to $1.5B/year.
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Meanwhile, Brightline in Florida is a private high speed railway in Florida. Started company in 2012, started construction in 2014, and opened first segment for paying riders in 2018. Currently served over 3,000,000 riders per year between Miami & Orlando.
 
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patdog said:
Meanwhile, Brightline in Florida is a private high speed railway in Florida. Started company in 2012, started construction in 2014, and opened first segment for paying riders in 2018. Currently served over 3,000,000 riders per year between Miami & Orlando.
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I have seen that Florida rail referenced as a comparison before and know it upgraded existing rail line and is hundreds of miles shorter than the CA plan.
I don't know a lot about the Florida line, but to me that is a fundamentally different scenario and obviously reduces time line and cost by years...decades even.

It's cool that a higher speed option exists and was set up for less and quicker- 3MM passengers per year sure seems like a lot and shows there was demand.
 
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mstateglfr said:
I have seen that Florida rail referenced as a comparison before and know it upgraded existing rail line and is hundreds of miles shorter than the CA plan.
I don't know a lot about the Florida line, but to me that is a fundamentally different scenario and obviously reduces time line and cost by years...decades even.

It's cool that a higher speed option exists and was set up for less and quicker- 3MM passengers per year sure seems like a lot and shows there was demand.
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Maybe CA should have taken more of the Brightline approach rather than start from scratch. And honestly, if I had to travel from Orlando to Miami, I think Brightline would be my first choice.
 
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It took six years to build the first Transcontinental rail road which was 1,911 miles from Omaha to Sacramento and had to go over and through the Rocky Mountains. That was with just men, horses and oxen. American "want to" is just non-existent today.
 
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patdog said:
Maybe CA should have taken more of the Brightline approach rather than start from scratch. And honestly, if I had to travel from Orlando to Miami, I think Brightline would be my first choice.
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Existing rail and routing wasnt an option due to speed.
I have read criticism of not using the I5 corridor to help reduce the amount of land grabbing required, but no idea if that was a realistic option or not.

Regardless, the two projects are comparing apples and donkeys.
 
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Bulldog Bruce said:
It took six years to build the first Transcontinental rail road which was 1,911 miles from Omaha to Sacramento and had to go over and through the Rocky Mountains. That was with just men, horses and oxen. American "want to" is just non-existent today.
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Similarly, each time I drive into and through the Chicago metro, which is a few times a year, I think about how the national interstate system was created at the perfect time and way.
It simply wouldn't be possible in today's world.

I disagree that it's because American 'want to' doesn't exist.
 
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mstateglfr said:
Similarly, each time I drive into and through the Chicago metro, which is a few times a year, I think about how the national interstate system was created at the perfect time and way.
It simply wouldn't be possible in today's world.

I disagree that it's because American 'want to' doesn't exist.
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I agree. You could build the interstate system like that back in the day because labor costs were low, and there was a hell of alot less red tape.

Completely different world nowadays
 
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Who pocketed all the money raised from the benefit concert for Cal. fire victims?

Why are the regulations so suffocating for the state of Cal.? Reportedly only 30 residences being rebuilt so far. That's it.

The fraudulent hospices. Was it $120B?

Nationally.....We don't have $39T in debt. Most of that was fraud. And our tax dollars paid it.
 
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Bulldog Bruce said:
It took six years to build the first Transcontinental rail road which was 1,911 miles from Omaha to Sacramento and had to go over and through the Rocky Mountains. That was with just men, horses and oxen. American "want to" is just non-existent today.
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Taking land, wiping out wildlife, using cheap immigrant labor, and massive corruption is about as American as it gets.
 
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Bulldog Bruce said:
It took six years to build the first Transcontinental rail road which was 1,911 miles from Omaha to Sacramento and had to go over and through the Rocky Mountains. That was with just men, horses and oxen. American "want to" is just non-existent today.
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They just need this man from Meridian MS to show them how it's done
 
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