You’re not getting bashed by me, that's for sure, I agree with everything you said.
Mark Pope needs to rescind the Tyran Stokes offer immediately
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Originally I was hoping you would stop posting, but after some thought, please post as often as possible, I love the comedy.
Come on, put another one on the tee for me there Arnie.
Ah, there it is, I knew it was coming. You ran out of unclever comebacks, so you pulled out the ole "are you Pope's wife" bullsh*t.
You're better than this, Richie, much better.
No I didn’t miss anything I think it’s just a pathetic excuse to cry about the failures of Pope was all due to JQ, which he never had as a legit rotation piece, and if you look at Lowes percentage and defense he wasn’t exactly a stud. Kam? Well most
Hated him in the rotation until about 3 games before he got hurt. Pope has all year to teach fundamentals and how to inbound a pass. He didn’t need those “3” to teach basic plays and fundamentals to everyone else. At least we can find peace in knowing there won’t be any tolerated excuses next year. Either put his big boy pants on or leave. Even Iowa St was making jokes they knew this team would quit. That has nothing to do with a missing starter.
Just in response to the touch grass comment. Agree to disagree on firing Pope. I think he loses 10+ games again this season, hope I'm wrong. But, I've been down this road with Mark Stoops.
Ed wasn’t fired for cause and they paid him all of the 17 million dollars he was owed. I seen a video where he talked about it.
Hurley had to battle with UConn being on probation his first couple of seasons, I believe. I remember Ollie got them in trouble but I can’t remember what he did.
Guys I don’t see a point in arguing about our coach. He may or may not even be here this time next year. We just gotta hope for the best and see what happens next season
It's really simple. W/L record in a vacuum is not the only evaluation criteria. There are other factors in play that made UConn bet on Hurley. OK I was wrong about how long they kept Ollie, but that supports my point even more -- UConn could have easily looked at the mid Hurley years as "nah, we can't do this again" but they believed in him and were proven right. H
The current UK coach has a different environment. He essentially outspent all of CBB to do worse than last year. He has never had any clout in any recruiting circles (Hurley is a name in the Northeast). He is regressing before our eyes (and his peak was
Just a few examples. You don't list W/L records on a spreadsheet to evaluate a coach. Sure, it's part of it but there is a lot more.
You have to ask yourself -- would you bet on Pope pulling a Hurley? Maybe you would. I wouldn't. And a lot of others wouldn't.
PS it's fair to ask "would you have fired Hurley in 2 years?". Honestly, nobody knows. I'm not a UConn fan, I don't know the situation with their program and expectations, etc. Maybe I would have. And I would have been wrong. But that doesn't mean I am wrong on Pope.
Don't mean to but in, but I feel it's fair to say, Hurley didn't have the portal or a NIL warchest, it was a different era. He also showed improvement year over year.
And if he loses games next year and gets fired, nobody can say he wasn't given a fair shot to prove he can do the job. So we aren’t disagreeing on that.
Where we disagree, is WHEN UK fires Pope. You just can't fire him after year 2 when he had injuries and he did what he did in year 1. You fire him now and UK will get blasted more that the Kentucky Shame deal. You absolutely cannot fire him right now.
Yeah, wouldn't want to fire him. Could hurt recruiting.
Yeah, Ed hit on a donor's wife, they found reasons to fire him.
On this forum, being on probation wouldn’t help Pope, why should we let Hurley use it as an excuse? Plus, look at Hurley's record prior to his time at UConn, it's awful.
UConn gave him time to figure it out, now look at him. We think Pope is weird, but he isn't close to being as weird as Hurley is.
LMAO, you make excuses for the failures of other coaches, but nail Pope to the wall as you invent reasons for how it's different.
Got it.
If we were on probation I would consider it with Pope. I know what you mean though. Coaches can get better. It’s not impossible for him to improve. We just have to wait and see what happens
Yeah, Pope didn’t have a portal back then either, but his days at UVS are held against him here daily.
Also, Hurley had a portal last year, he went 24-11 against a cheeseball schedule, got an 8 seed and lost in the 2nd round. Did UConn lose their pg or something? Why did they suck?
Pope had a sh*t season this year, still had a better season. Better wins against a tougher schedule.
That’s all I've been saying. Next year is put up or shut up time for Pope. He either wins big, or he's out.
Not true. It's being reported now that Gonzaga and Washington are still in the mix. Instead of cutting at this point, the kid is adding choices. Just be done and spend the money to bolster the roster elsewhere.
David Sisk says UNC is the only college job Donovan will/has seriously entertained.
I’d spend that kind of money on Juke Harris and forget about Stokes.
Hadn't heard that and it sucks but I'm not sure it changes how I see it. The coaches know where he stands better than any of us. I've always said he'd wait until late to sign with anybody and that part has proven right but can get a lot worse before we know anything. Ya just gotta build a team and if he comes here, great. If not...oh well. As of right now, we can offer a lot of minutes to talented portal guys but they just can't be scared to possibly compete with a freshman for PT, in case he signs. I'm really not excited about signing anybody that's afraid to compete for PT with any freshman.He added Gonzaga and Washington now
But bottom line, we're deep in the running for the number 1 recruit and he looks like a real beast. That's exciting.
It's crazy for him to be adding teams at this point. But he added them yesterday I believe. See post #131 on page 4.He added Gonzaga and Washington now
15 years? I thought all the 13 year claims were ridiculous but you have stepped it up even more. Pope has been a head coach for 11 seasons.
Won't even begin to read 7 pages of this but let's slide all the sour grapes over to the OP lol.
Is Stokes coming here? Likely not. Pope hasn't shown he can close on elite talent and that's a problem. I also haven't felt like I've been used or strung along by a recruit because this isn't my job. Many online take this way too personally as if they work for the coaching staff. I haven't thought about Stokes and don't care how much he'll be paid. If we get him, great. If we don't, that's another strike against Pope going into next year. But goodness, a poster wanting a scholly offer pulled because a recruit hasn't given an answer to a coach yet? Get over yourself. We're just fans on the internet. Do we actually want a coach going scorched earth on recruits and acting as if they're ex-gfs?
Is Stokes coming here? Likely not. Pope hasn't shown he can close on elite talent and that's a problem. I also haven't felt like I've been used or strung along by a recruit because this isn't my job. Many online take this way too personally as if they work for the coaching staff. I haven't thought about Stokes and don't care how much he'll be paid. If we get him, great. If we don't, that's another strike against Pope going into next year. But goodness, a poster wanting a scholly offer pulled because a recruit hasn't given an answer to a coach yet? Get over yourself. We're just fans on the internet. Do we actually want a coach going scorched earth on recruits and acting as if they're ex-gfs?
Nah that’s not true. Don’t believe it for a minute. Donovan was very interested in the Kentucky job numerous times and would have taken it if not for the NBA. Very accurate insiders from 2007 were all over that. He was actually in Lexington at the time. I don’t know what Sisk is talking about but if they’re saying he never entertained Kentucky it’s flat false.
Kentucky is a flat out better job than Unc too. Unc is trying to put a lot into football for the SEC move. He’s be in the same system as Bill B. ACC is a weak conference. I don’t believe his info is accurate. If he’s talking about the past I pretty much know it’s not.
Izzo was close to being the UK coach in 2009 and was interested but Michigan State was still playing in the tournament and UK moved in on Cal. I think Donovan would have come to UK in 2007 had it not been for the Orlando Magic offering him a chance to go to the NBA even though he did an about face and backed out after accepting the job.
Show me the last No. 1 player to be exposed in college. The freshman class this season didn't have any issue with the college game and he has dominated everyone in this class. Cooper Flagg didn't have any issues with the college game and when their teams faced off against each other, it was hard to say who the best player on the floor was among about 5 or 6 kids and not just Flagg or Stokes.
People saying we need to pull his offer and this is taking too long...
Am I crazy or aren't there recruits that decide in April every year? We've seen guys commit at the McDonald's All-American Game, Jordan Brand Classic, and Nike Hoops Summit for years now.
I can see the quote now. Stokes is inteviewed by the AP: "Yeah, I was actually ready to commit to Kentucky, and Mark Pope called me and told me the offer was gone. He didn't want me at Kentucky anymore." This interview happens on the tail end of another 10 loss season. Fans are now more pi$$ed than ever that Pope could have had the #1 recruit if he just waited another day.
Stokes moves the needle so much, you don't take yourself out of the running--especially in April.
He's not "costing us recruits" right now because the portal doesn't even open for a few more days.
Am I crazy or aren't there recruits that decide in April every year? We've seen guys commit at the McDonald's All-American Game, Jordan Brand Classic, and Nike Hoops Summit for years now.
I can see the quote now. Stokes is inteviewed by the AP: "Yeah, I was actually ready to commit to Kentucky, and Mark Pope called me and told me the offer was gone. He didn't want me at Kentucky anymore." This interview happens on the tail end of another 10 loss season. Fans are now more pi$$ed than ever that Pope could have had the #1 recruit if he just waited another day.
Stokes moves the needle so much, you don't take yourself out of the running--especially in April.
He's not "costing us recruits" right now because the portal doesn't even open for a few more days.
Man, how pathetic are you? Did you seriously create a profile with a name like that?
Jeez, y'all act like the guy missed the tournament both years.
Is he? Not the first time I've seen that crap
I find it hard to believe Izzo was close , he is extremely thin skinned and has berated Michigan St fans for not appreciating him. While I like his mentality in regards to player development and loyalty, I don't think he would have ever been ready to pack up and come to a fishbowl where every move is under the microscope, dissected and must be justified to the masses.
Its a weird situation. Pope has to know his job is on the line next year and if he puts together a team that under performs he is gone, he is currently casting off players he vastly over paid to either cover reduced income or free up additional money yet he can't get trapped in a bidding war with the trickle down effects of landing other needed players.
I am personally against paying outrageous NIL demands of players, but at the same time, I'm not willing to accept a team of bargain value players in the hope they gel into some greater. The reality in all this is that if you have to spend $20m to put a team together and its playing on Wednesday of the SEC tournament, you've failed - not just failed, you've failed spectacularly, and the teams making deep tourney runs are in the $5m - $12m range.
If you are paying 1 player 1/3rd of that range, you've overcommitted unless that player is a guaranteed Cooper Flagg level player, and while UK fans would certainly accept the SEC championship and final four, there was no national title for Duke.
My point is that I don't see Stokes as make or break if his price is prohibitive from landing other players. The long term play here is to invest in players if the NCAA adopts Trump edict for saving college sports where you land a player thru NIL knowing they will stick around. Unfortunately as I started out this rambling post, Pope may not have a long term plan with UK if he doesn't deliver immediately. Stokes is a one and done, and if he is not, then you've overpaid and the last thing you want is a returning 20 year old player who demands significantly more than market value. Good luck with that.
I am personally against paying outrageous NIL demands of players, but at the same time, I'm not willing to accept a team of bargain value players in the hope they gel into some greater. The reality in all this is that if you have to spend $20m to put a team together and its playing on Wednesday of the SEC tournament, you've failed - not just failed, you've failed spectacularly, and the teams making deep tourney runs are in the $5m - $12m range.
If you are paying 1 player 1/3rd of that range, you've overcommitted unless that player is a guaranteed Cooper Flagg level player, and while UK fans would certainly accept the SEC championship and final four, there was no national title for Duke.
My point is that I don't see Stokes as make or break if his price is prohibitive from landing other players. The long term play here is to invest in players if the NCAA adopts Trump edict for saving college sports where you land a player thru NIL knowing they will stick around. Unfortunately as I started out this rambling post, Pope may not have a long term plan with UK if he doesn't deliver immediately. Stokes is a one and done, and if he is not, then you've overpaid and the last thing you want is a returning 20 year old player who demands significantly more than market value. Good luck with that.
Popettes basically stating we know we arent gonna win anything that matters next season but we have to deal with it. Which is true and true sadly.
Probably wasn't even Yaxel that wrote that s.hit, why would he give a s.hit about any of that, he's got a lot better things to talk about, like winning a championship. Lots of s.hit sturring trolls out there.
He has never recruited elite players in his life Paul. And his injury problem is nowhere near as bad as is made out. This team was not good even healthy at PG. Kam isn’t much to consider. Blown out with him. JQ was never a Kentucky player in reality. Mark pope has a long coaching record before UK, add that to it. He hasn’t been dealt bad hands, he’s been dealt very lucky hands and can’t produce.