Dan Hurley and his terrible first 2 UCONN years

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You didn't need to type all that, nobody is comparing Pope to Dan Hirley, just saying Hurley proved, that through time, a bad coach can become great. That's it.
A few years ago I read an interview where Hurley said he was basically just all about the “toughness” thing (like Billy Clyde Gillispie). But he evaluated himself and realized he had to change. That’s when he brought in that assistant (whose name I forget) who implemented that offense they run. And the rest is history. The point is he had the self awareness to realize he had to change. Does Pope? I hope so.
 
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Honestly what else would you call our reasoning other than administration incompetence, being complacent or cowardly.

If he was running your company would you of given him a 3rd year given year 2 regressed . Year 1 was better than expected no doubt but let's not pretend it was a elite season. S16 is not elite and we lost a bunch of games in the same fashion as this year.

Yeah he's getting a 3rd year due to the administration not performance and most people know that even if they dont want to admit it.
I would give him a third year. Performed above preseason expectations in year one. Year two stunk. Third year decides his fate.

Please do not misunderstand that to mean I’m happy with his performance. Clearly, I’m not. I do think he SHOULD get a third year. Same opinion as Matt Jones on this.
 

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I would give him a third year. Performed above preseason expectations in year one. Year two stunk. Third year decides his fate.

Please do not misunderstand that to mean I’m happy with his performance. Clearly, I’m not. I do think he SHOULD get a third year. Same opinion as Matt Jones on this.
I dont care about Matt Jones personally. He doesn't mean anything to me but you can certainly have your opinion on it and we just disagree.

I think the difference is the administration knows fans will still support the team even if Pope bombs this year so there is no financial hit to the university outside of donors potentially holding back. In the private sector you would risk tanking your company giving a 3rd year so out he goes.

Put his obvious issues aside because they have been beaten to death. When you have opposing teams and coaches stating that they know if they punch you in the mouth you will quit says it all. That reputation should get any leader terminated.
 
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I dont care about Matt Jones personally. He doesn't mean anything to me but you can certainly have your opinion on it and we just disagree.

I think the difference is the administration knows fans will still support the team even if Pope bombs this year so there is no financial hit to the university outside of donors potentially holding back. In the private sector you would risk tanking your company giving a 3rd year so out he goes.

Put his obvious issues aside because they have been beaten to death. When you have opposing teams and coaches stating that they know if they punch you in the mouth you will quit says it all. That reputation should get any leader terminated.
We can of course agree to disagree. I think your position is understandable even if I see it differently.
 
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Since there is a lot of talk on how Poop was better than Hurley to start his career at a high major, I looked at their records. Started with mid major and compared only the first 2 years at UK/ UCONN. If you can't see a difference between the two archetypes presented here, I can't help you. Winning % in a vacuum does not tell a story.

Mid. Major:
Poop – Utah Valley + BYU (8 yrs). 187-108 (63.39%). 0 NCAAT wins (0-2)
Hurley – Wagner + Rhode Island (8 yrs). 151-105 (58.98%). 2 NCAAT wins (2-2, wins as 11 and 7)
Advantage: Hurley

UK/ UConn (first 2 yrs only):
Poop: 46-26 (63.89%). Y2 vs Y1: 5.6% decrease in win rate.
Best finish S16. Significant T25 wins vs Duke, Gonzaga, Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas. Matching blowout losses that I don’t need to get into.
UK record prior 2 seasons: 45-22 (67.16%). UK win rate diminished 3.27% by Poop

Hurley: 35-29 (54.69%). Y2 vs Y1: 12.8% increase in win rate.
UCONN record prior 2 seasons: 30-35 (46.15%). UCONN win rate improved 8.54% by Hurley.

Advantage: Hurley for flipping the outlook on the program and making significant strides year over year.

Hurley first tournament win at age 44
Poop first tournament win at age 52

If you can’t see why Hurley (even cherrypicking him at his “worst”) is not a higher potential candiate than Poop, I can’t help you. Things that I didn’t include in this summary include recruiting, wins over expectation, roster spending, among others). I don’t it’s necessary to go any deeper, it’s clear from even a surface look that 1 candidate had potential and the other is trending the wrong way.

The relative trends are pretty damning for Poop – he brought down the UK win rate, and he himself declined by over 5% year 1 to year 2. Hurley, on the other hand, improved the UConn program overall, and improved significantly year 1 to year 2.

If course, if you add the rest of Hurley’s body of work at UConn, you see that Y1->Y2 growth is sustained and plateaus at a title and >86%+ win seasons.

Reasons for not sticking with Poop Y3 and essentially wasting a year of UK basketball are there, IMO. Extrapolation from current trend and general low potential archetype would support a further decline of UK ball in Y3.
Total straw man. Thanks for playing. Now, go watch some FF basketball and cry about not having Hurley as our coach.
 

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And UK improved after Pope took the job. Literally won more quad 1 games than anyone ever has and won 2 games in the tournament, just like BYU did.
"Improved" = First year slightly better than Cal's worst 4 year stretch at UK. ***(whispering voice) let's ignore the second year everybody***

The pretzels you Popettes have to twist yourselves into...
 

Ash Williams

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You didn't need to type all that, nobody is comparing Pope to Dan Hirley, just saying Hurley proved, that through time, a bad coach can become great. That's it.
A) You just called Hurley a bad coach
B) You just admitted Pope is a bad coach

I wonder if there's any footage of Hurley after year 2 at UConn arguing that he improved UConn's status.
 

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I really hope Pope improves a lot in year 3. I’ve read that some people probably think it’s impossible but it’s not. I may be wrong but even with the injured guys I don’t think our team was talented enough this year. That’s hard to recover from and I believe that was our issue. Recruiting has to improve and Pope has to find the best guys that fit what he wants to do. I’ve seen good coaches have bad years before so I’ll give coach a mulligan and hope for the best. Sometimes patience pays off.
 

Ash Williams

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I really hope Pope improves a lot in year 3. I’ve read that some people probably think it’s impossible but it’s not. I may be wrong but even with the injured guys I don’t think our team was talented enough this year. That’s hard to recover from and I believe that was our issue. Recruiting has to improve and Pope has to find the best guys that fit what he wants to do. I’ve seen good coaches have bad years before so I’ll give coach a mulligan and hope for the best. Sometimes patience pays off.
My lack of faith is rooted in Pope's inability to land ANY top 20 recruits.

Popettes anchor their entire defense of Pope on the loss of Lowe without accounting for the fact that he was the ONLY PG we had.

They have ZERO defense for the fact that Yaxel went to Michigan and that Stokes is going to KU.
 

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Since there is a lot of talk on how Poop was better than Hurley to start his career at a high major, I looked at their records. Started with mid major and compared only the first 2 years at UK/ UCONN. If you can't see a difference between the two archetypes presented here, I can't help you. Winning % in a vacuum does not tell a story.

Mid. Major:
Poop – Utah Valley + BYU (8 yrs). 187-108 (63.39%). 0 NCAAT wins (0-2)
Hurley – Wagner + Rhode Island (8 yrs). 151-105 (58.98%). 2 NCAAT wins (2-2, wins as 11 and 7)
Advantage: Hurley

UK/ UConn (first 2 yrs only):
Poop: 46-26 (63.89%). Y2 vs Y1: 5.6% decrease in win rate.
Best finish S16. Significant T25 wins vs Duke, Gonzaga, Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas. Matching blowout losses that I don’t need to get into.
UK record prior 2 seasons: 45-22 (67.16%). UK win rate diminished 3.27% by Poop

Hurley: 35-29 (54.69%). Y2 vs Y1: 12.8% increase in win rate.
UCONN record prior 2 seasons: 30-35 (46.15%). UCONN win rate improved 8.54% by Hurley.

Advantage: Hurley for flipping the outlook on the program and making significant strides year over year.

Hurley first tournament win at age 44
Poop first tournament win at age 52

If you can’t see why Hurley (even cherrypicking him at his “worst”) is not a higher potential candiate than Poop, I can’t help you. Things that I didn’t include in this summary include recruiting, wins over expectation, roster spending, among others). I don’t it’s necessary to go any deeper, it’s clear from even a surface look that 1 candidate had potential and the other is trending the wrong way.

The relative trends are pretty damning for Poop – he brought down the UK win rate, and he himself declined by over 5% year 1 to year 2. Hurley, on the other hand, improved the UConn program overall, and improved significantly year 1 to year 2.

If course, if you add the rest of Hurley’s body of work at UConn, you see that Y1->Y2 growth is sustained and plateaus at a title and >86%+ win seasons.

Reasons for not sticking with Poop Y3 and essentially wasting a year of UK basketball are there, IMO. Extrapolation from current trend and general low potential archetype would support a further decline of UK ball in Y3.
Even comparing Pope to Hurley is insane.
 

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My lack of faith is rooted in Pope's inability to land ANY top 20 recruits.

Popettes anchor their entire defense of Pope on the loss of Lowe without accounting for the fact that he was the ONLY PG we had.

They have ZERO defense for the fact that Yaxel went to Michigan and that Stokes is going to KU.
Popes gotta be more consistent and win something. I believe that will help recruiting a lot. I’d say other teams coaches bring that up with recruiting.
 

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No, you must have either thought it was clever or your feelings were hurt. I was just stating a fact. He is closer to coaching 20 years than he is being a beginner in the coaching profession.
Another stupid pointless retort from you. I can't say I'm surprised. Nobody suggested he was a beginner. Somebody did suggest he had been a head coach for 20 years which is a straight up exaggeration/lie. The negativity is bad enough but the dishonesty is so much worse.
 

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Another stupid pointless retort from you. I can't say I'm surprised. Nobody suggested he was a beginner. Somebody did suggest he had been a head coach for 20 years which is a straight up exaggeration/lie. The negativity is bad enough but the dishonesty is so much worse.
I don’t even think some of these posters are even Kentucky fans. I really don’t.
 
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My lack of faith is rooted in Pope's inability to land ANY top 20 recruits.

Popettes anchor their entire defense of Pope on the loss of Lowe without accounting for the fact that he was the ONLY PG we had.

They have ZERO defense for the fact that Yaxel went to Michigan and that Stokes is going to KU.
The problem is even if Pope can somehow miraculously get some recruits, Pope himself will be the one to coach them.
 

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Another stupid pointless retort from you. I can't say I'm surprised. Nobody suggested he was a beginner. Somebody did suggest he had been a head coach for 20 years which is a straight up exaggeration/lie. The negativity is bad enough but the dishonesty is so much worse.
Well the problem with you cherry picking Pope pumpers is that you can not comprehend anything because of your agenda blinders. And you suggesting that someone said he was a head coach for 20 years is a straight up exaggeration/lie. Another stupid pointless effort of you trying to defend Pope. I can't say I'm surprised. The original post said Pope had been coaching nearly 20 years. Not a head coach for 20 years. Pope was a director of basketball operation for 1 year, an assistant for 5 years, a head coach for 11 years which gives him approximately 17 years in the coaching profession, which is nearly 20 years. So who is the stupid liar now, dip****!!!

Read the original post again. Maybe you can understand something this time!

"Give it a rest, Pope has been coaching nearly 20 years and he still sucks ***, they’ll be some no matter what you prove they’ll still see him as an up and comer."
 
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People just love to troll this site. Simple as that.
Well yeah you’re gonna get that even if you’re winning. This is a pretty well known message board so comes with the territory

But my question was do you think opposing fanbases would be happy if we stayed with Pope for several more years?
 
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Well the problem with you cherry picking Pope pumpers is that you can not comprehend anything because of your agenda blinders. And you suggesting that someone said he was a head coach for 20 years is a straight up exaggeration/lie. Another stupid pointless effort of you trying to defend Pope. I can't say I'm surprised. The original post said Pope had been coaching nearly 20 years. Not a head coach for 20 years. Pope was a director of basketball operation for 1 year, an assistant for 5 years, a head coach for 11 years which gives him approximately 17 years in the coaching profession, which is nearly 20 years. So who is the stupid liar now, dip****!!!

Read the original post again. Maybe you can understand something this time!

"Give it a rest, Pope has been coaching nearly 20 years and he still sucks ***, they’ll be some no matter what you prove they’ll still see him as an up and comer."
Why are you so hung up on the 20 years?
He’s not a young up and comer but he’s been 11 years as a HC. Not 20.
Nobody cares what you do as an assistant. Especially if you’re on the staff of Mark f*cking Fox
 

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Since there is a lot of talk on how Poop was better than Hurley to start his career at a high major, I looked at their records. Started with mid major and compared only the first 2 years at UK/ UCONN. If you can't see a difference between the two archetypes presented here, I can't help you. Winning % in a vacuum does not tell a story.

Mid. Major:
Poop – Utah Valley + BYU (8 yrs). 187-108 (63.39%). 0 NCAAT wins (0-2)
Hurley – Wagner + Rhode Island (8 yrs). 151-105 (58.98%). 2 NCAAT wins (2-2, wins as 11 and 7)
Advantage: Hurley

UK/ UConn (first 2 yrs only):
Poop: 46-26 (63.89%). Y2 vs Y1: 5.6% decrease in win rate.
Best finish S16. Significant T25 wins vs Duke, Gonzaga, Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas. Matching blowout losses that I don’t need to get into.
UK record prior 2 seasons: 45-22 (67.16%). UK win rate diminished 3.27% by Poop

Hurley: 35-29 (54.69%). Y2 vs Y1: 12.8% increase in win rate.
UCONN record prior 2 seasons: 30-35 (46.15%). UCONN win rate improved 8.54% by Hurley.

Advantage: Hurley for flipping the outlook on the program and making significant strides year over year.

Hurley first tournament win at age 44
Poop first tournament win at age 52

If you can’t see why Hurley (even cherrypicking him at his “worst”) is not a higher potential candiate than Poop, I can’t help you. Things that I didn’t include in this summary include recruiting, wins over expectation, roster spending, among others). I don’t it’s necessary to go any deeper, it’s clear from even a surface look that 1 candidate had potential and the other is trending the wrong way.

The relative trends are pretty damning for Poop – he brought down the UK win rate, and he himself declined by over 5% year 1 to year 2. Hurley, on the other hand, improved the UConn program overall, and improved significantly year 1 to year 2.

If course, if you add the rest of Hurley’s body of work at UConn, you see that Y1->Y2 growth is sustained and plateaus at a title and >86%+ win seasons.

Reasons for not sticking with Poop Y3 and essentially wasting a year of UK basketball are there, IMO. Extrapolation from current trend and general low potential archetype would support a further decline of UK ball in Y3.
It's about recruiting. Having watched Uconn this whole tourney, we don't have one player that would start for Uconn
 

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Why are you so hung up on the 20 years?
He’s not a young up and comer but he’s been 11 years as a HC. Not 20.
Nobody cares what you do as an assistant. Especially if you’re on the staff of Mark f*cking Fox
I am not hung up on 20 years. When someone is saying someone said something and they are making a big deal out of it, then they should get what they ask for. The facts! And that is what I stated! Being an assistant does matter in coaching. How many people has gotten a head coaching job without being an assistant? Who you were an assistant for tells a lot about if you are ready for a job.
 

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Since there is a lot of talk on how Poop was better than Hurley to start his career at a high major, I looked at their records. Started with mid major and compared only the first 2 years at UK/ UCONN. If you can't see a difference between the two archetypes presented here, I can't help you. Winning % in a vacuum does not tell a story.

Mid. Major:
Poop – Utah Valley + BYU (8 yrs). 187-108 (63.39%). 0 NCAAT wins (0-2)
Hurley – Wagner + Rhode Island (8 yrs). 151-105 (58.98%). 2 NCAAT wins (2-2, wins as 11 and 7)
Advantage: Hurley

UK/ UConn (first 2 yrs only):
Poop: 46-26 (63.89%). Y2 vs Y1: 5.6% decrease in win rate.
Best finish S16. Significant T25 wins vs Duke, Gonzaga, Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas. Matching blowout losses that I don’t need to get into.
UK record prior 2 seasons: 45-22 (67.16%). UK win rate diminished 3.27% by Poop

Hurley: 35-29 (54.69%). Y2 vs Y1: 12.8% increase in win rate.
UCONN record prior 2 seasons: 30-35 (46.15%). UCONN win rate improved 8.54% by Hurley.

Advantage: Hurley for flipping the outlook on the program and making significant strides year over year.

Hurley first tournament win at age 44
Poop first tournament win at age 52

If you can’t see why Hurley (even cherrypicking him at his “worst”) is not a higher potential candiate than Poop, I can’t help you. Things that I didn’t include in this summary include recruiting, wins over expectation, roster spending, among others). I don’t it’s necessary to go any deeper, it’s clear from even a surface look that 1 candidate had potential and the other is trending the wrong way.

The relative trends are pretty damning for Poop – he brought down the UK win rate, and he himself declined by over 5% year 1 to year 2. Hurley, on the other hand, improved the UConn program overall, and improved significantly year 1 to year 2.

If course, if you add the rest of Hurley’s body of work at UConn, you see that Y1->Y2 growth is sustained and plateaus at a title and >86%+ win seasons.

Reasons for not sticking with Poop Y3 and essentially wasting a year of UK basketball are there, IMO. Extrapolation from current trend and general low potential archetype would support a further decline of UK ball in Y3.
Okay then what about his 3rd and 4th year

Also uconn isnt some dumpster, its the most successful program of the last 25 years

Oh and age is supposedly a factor now, well then, curt cignetti will never do anything, lane kiffin is younger!
 

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I am not hung up on 20 years. When someone is saying someone said something and they are making a big deal out of it, then they should get what they ask for. The facts! And that is what I stated! Being an assistant does matter in coaching. How many people has gotten a head coaching job without being an assistant? Who you were an assistant for tells a lot about if you are ready for a job.
You are really reaching here. The poster who brought up the 20 year number first in this thread didn't even defend that number when he was challenged on it. Instead, he changed the subject. You apparently never read the thread to know the context. As the old saying goes, "A text without a context is a pretext." You guys just can't be honest about anything and when you get called out you cry and whine or do what another poster in this thread does and run away. This is getting quite humorous, I must say.
 
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I would give him a third year. Performed above preseason expectations in year one. Year two stunk. Third year decides his fate.

Please do not misunderstand that to mean I’m happy with his performance. Clearly, I’m not. I do think he SHOULD get a third year. Same opinion as Matt Jones on this.
While we're praying Pope has a miracle 3rd season Uconn is close to winning #7. BRO we don't have time for a miracle season with a coach who has NEVER proven he can have on in the first place
 
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You are really reaching here. The poster who brought up the 20 year number first in this thread didn't even defend that number when he was challenged on it. Instead, he changed the subject. You apparently never read the thread to know the context. As the old saying goes, "A text without a context is a pretext." You guys just can't be honest about anything and when you get called out you cry and whine or do what another poster in this thread does and run away. This is getting quite humorous, I must say.
I find it humorous as well. You guys must be kin to Bill O'Riley. The spin cycle. Pope has been coaching long enough that anyone that looks at his record will agree. He is in over his head and is a terrible basketball coach!
 
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I’ve never agreed with the Hurley comparisons since Dan was successful at a Rhode Island before he got the UConn job. He won the A10 regular season and tournament. That’s something about Pope that worries me. Including after I seen that Utah Valley states had 4 coaches coach in the conference they are in and Pope was the only one that didn’t ever win it.