Addie Deal enters transfer portal

Kceasthawk@77

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Whose expectations have changed? Beth's, the fans? The expectations are changing because we had success and now if any volatility occurs we will burn it down?

We have based our programs on consistency like Pittsburg Steelers. Having consistent quality coaching and messaging is your best opportunity for consistent success. Iowa fires coaches at one of the lowest rates of any college.



The budget comes from ticket sales - $3.5 million is what Iowa did for wbb in 2023/2024. This is 2 million more than most schools By all accounts those numbers are slightly up. You then add in the revenue share component. The B1G gives out the highest amount of any conference. The hawkeyes are also one of the more popular teams due to Caitlin so they have had more donations and more money into the collective tagged for WBB.

So in the big picture Iowa WBB does have a financial tailwind that should allow it to continue to be competitive in recruiting top talent to Iowa, and filling in any holes in the portal. If my accountant math still works we were willing to give approximately 1 million to Bjorn, we were at about 1 million a year on Deal, 300k on Rodriguez. We have nearly $2.5 million in rough calculations to use in the portal or for recruits next year.
I understand that ticket sales do matter. My point was ( at least my understanding was) Iowa is allocating more rev share $$ to women's basketball then many of their peers. No doubt, trying to continue trying to push that ball up the hill from the CC22 years, and not let it roll back down. As for available $ I believe MW will be taking up pretty much all of what Deal was getting. The numbers being thrown around here were 8-900,000 I believe. I'd also imagine that Ava will be getting a significant bump, or at least you'd not be surprised to see that happen as well.
 

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Year 3, btw, is gonna be the make or break year for Jan.

Remember, JuJu Watkins is returning next year and USC will become this year's UCLA in the Big Ten, so everyone will be playing for 2nd place again.

UCLA will have to replace a ton of their roster, and if Deal got paid to go there so she could have the 5 star glam and be a part of an actual winning team, then that's gonna put massive pressure on Jan and Iowa to win that matchup next year regardless of what the roster looks like.

She could have the remaining handful of players we do have and fill it out with 8 other women from the Iowa School for the Blind and she would still need to find a way to beat UCLA if Deal goes there, or she'll be (and by extension the Iowa women's basketball program, as well) in deep f***ing sh**.................
UCLA may be willing to pay $100k for Deal.
 

Bunsen82

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I understand that ticket sales do matter. My point was ( at least my understanding was) Iowa is allocating more rev share $$ to women's basketball then many of their peers. No doubt, trying to continue trying to push that ball up the hill from the CC22 years, and not let it roll back down. As for available $ I believe MW will be taking up pretty much all of what Deal was getting. The numbers being thrown around here were 8-900,000 I believe. I'd also imagine that Ava will be getting a significant bump, or at least you'd not be surprised to see that happen as well.
MW math is not baked into Deals. Those were all separate deals.
 

Zach Jump

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I understand that. My point being is we have valued women’s basketball as long as since I was in college with C Vivian. So while NIL has obviously changed the game for all sports we’ve always had a culture ahead of almost all Big Ten teams in women’s basketball.

Come on. By your Logic we never would have paid the Price to break the Law and steal everything in sight.
 

FranklinHawk

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Well said. Its pretty hard to project next season, when you don't really know what your roster will look like, or how new players will mesh with the few you hold onto...
If they can hold on to their young core and pick up a quality piece or 2, Michigan looks to be very strong next year.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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MW math is not baked into Deals. Those were all separate deals.
I was saying of the allotment for next season. So your saying besides the money saved from Deal, Erod etc.. there's still basically a million for MW and then a few million to go after OTHER portal players? And as I mentioned, I'd imagine whatever compensation Ava was getting has to be reworked, NO?
 
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Kceasthawk@77

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Addie is headed to South Carolina, didn’t expect that to be where she lands!
Where are you seeing that? Just googled it, and there's no mention of that. Says her most logical five are UCLA, USC, Stanford, Notre Dame, and Nebraska based on needs of their rosters and her being a Cali girl, but USC makes no Sense. Was something said about USC, as in Univ os Southern California, and you tool that as University of South Carolina?
 

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Where are you seeing that? Just googled it, and there's no mention of that. Says her most logical five are UCLA, USC, Stanford, Notre Dame, and Nebraska based on needs of their rosters and her being a Cali girl, but USC makes no Sense. Was something said about USC, as in Univ os Southern California, and you tool that as University of South Carolina?
It was a hoax.
 

Bunsen82

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I was saying of the allotment for next season. So you’re saying besides the money saved from Deal, Erod etc.. there's still basically a million for MW and then a few million to go after OTHER portal players? And as I mentioned, I'd imagine whatever compensation Ava was getting has to be reworked,
Yes I do think some deals are being worked- chit chat and Ava. Even still I think they have a player budget per a year in the 5 million range and growing.
 
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So what I find interesting is when we finish in 6th or 7th in football everyone applauds like we have slain Goliath because we are just little old Iowa. But you’re saying 2nd place for us should be an expectation in basketball?
I don't answer questions when my questions haven't been answered yet..........
 

napali

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In a perfect world Iowa gets:

Dani Carnegie (big money) 500,000
Jordan Spieser ( big money) 500,000

Either-->
Tilda Trygger 6'6" forward or 300,000
Nunu Agara 6'2" forward 300,000

Amari Whiting G 275,000
 
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Jonesy5960

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11 of the top 25 ranked freshmen from the 2025 class are in the portal this year and only one of them (Crump from Texas) is considered a high level transfer target. I think that's a function of teams overpaying for freshmen players based on potential. It's a recipe for failure on both sides given the time required for most recruits to acclimate to the college game making it almost impossible to justify the dollars they are paid and are now expecting.

I think what you're going to see is teams shifting more and more dollars away from highly ranked high school recruits and more towards players with proven college production. Development isn't something that programs are going to want to spend a lot of money on that could otherwise be used to attract high level transfers.
 

Hawkangler

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In a perfect world Iowa gets:

Dani Carnegie (big money) 500,000
Jordan Spieser ( big money) 500,000

Either-->
Tilda Trygger 6'6" forward or 300,000
Nunu Agara 6'2" forward 300,000

Amari Whiting G 275,000
Where did you pull those mumbers from? Carnegie probably will get a good package with her SEC numbers of 18 points, 5.5 rebounds and 3 assists. She's a proven commodity. Speiser may get that from TCU but doubtful Iowa does that. One never knows but the well eventually runs dry. I know Ava should be at the top and Chit Chat a nice increase. Stremlow, Houston and Hays a bump up.
 

Amahawk

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11 of the top 25 ranked freshmen from the 2025 class are in the portal this year and only one of them (Crump from Texas) is considered a high level transfer target. I think that's a function of teams overpaying for freshmen players based on potential. It's a recipe for failure on both sides given the time required for most recruits to acclimate to the college game making it almost impossible to justify the dollars they are paid and are now expecting.

I think what you're going to see is teams shifting more and more dollars away from highly ranked high school recruits and more towards players with proven college production. Development isn't something that programs are going to want to spend a lot of money on that could otherwise be used to attract high level transfers.
It ha s become pay now, play now.
 

ObeseMuffins

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11 of the top 25 ranked freshmen from the 2025 class are in the portal this year and only one of them (Crump from Texas) is considered a high level transfer target. I think that's a function of teams overpaying for freshmen players based on potential. It's a recipe for failure on both sides given the time required for most recruits to acclimate to the college game making it almost impossible to justify the dollars they are paid and are now expecting.

I think what you're going to see is teams shifting more and more dollars away from highly ranked high school recruits and more towards players with proven college production. Development isn't something that programs are going to want to spend a lot of money on that could otherwise be used to attract high level transfers.
Question: does any semblance of Culture go out the window then if you’re not developing your own players!?
 
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Manfredi

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Question: does any semblance of Culture go out the window then if you’re not developing your own players!?
I'm sure some yes but what do you do...you can only start 5 and a good chunk of players are not staying for years to get developed...play me or I'm leaving seems to be the standard these days due to the financial part of it.
 

Jonesy5960

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It ha s become pay now, play now.
To a certain extent the two are one and the same. If you're not good enough to start you're not really earning the money that was committed. Every organization in every walk of life has limited financial resources and it's incumbent upon the staff to allocate those resources in as efficient a manner as possible in order to achieve the best outcome.
Question: does any semblance of Culture go out the window then if you’re not developing your own players!?
Not necessarily, but it's not going to get instilled over 4 years with the vast majority of players.
 

huntinghawk

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You have an opinion. Now maybe we should discuss some actual facts. Here is a direct comparison between Stremlow and Deal on a per 40 basis in conference play this year along with their team rank amongst the 9 regular rotation players:

Assists
Stremlow 6.9 (1)
Deal 3.7 (5)

Turnovers
Deal 3.4 (7)
Stremlow 3.6 (8)

Assist/Turnover Ratio
Stremlow 1.9 (4)
Deal 1.1 (8)

Effective FG %
Stremlow 65.3% (2)
Deal 50.0% (6)

Points
Stremlow 13.7 (4)
Deal 13.7 (4)

Rebounds
Stremlow 3.7 (6)
Seal 3.0 (8)

Steals
Stremlow 1.8 (2)
Deal (9)

PER
Stremlow 16.0 (4)
Deal 8.1 (7)

MPG
Stremlow 25.5 (6)
Deal 16.2 (8)

Strem was easily the more efficient player and if you average out the performance metrics rankings Strem averages out to 3.6 whereas Deal sits at 6. They turned it over at nearly the same rate but Strem had a much higher assist rate. Both players had better overall metrics than KF and Hayes and Deal was essentially a wash with McCabe. Stremlow had the best metrics of any guard on the team.
Can you break it down to how many minutes each played with Ava? Or even chit chat and Hannah.
 

AndreTheHawk

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IMO team culture is already losing due to the $'s culture.
Fact.

There is no I in Team, but there is in I'm gonna get mine.

Culture is a sports buzzword that doesn't mean much anymore, as it relates to College Sports for certain. Much like "student athlete". Throw that term in the dustbin of history.

(Ferentz does as good a job with the culture as any I think, but lot larger roster to deal with and departures are few - I think he's good at identifying the bag chaser's and prima-donnas and just says no thanks).
 

Jonesy5960

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IMO team culture is already losing due to the $'s culture.
I don't think money automatically destroys culture, but disparities in compensation relative to contributions can definitely impact a team in a negative way. If I'm contributing at a high level but I know I am being compensated less than someone who's not performing near that level, then I probabiy don't feel very good about that player or my situation with the team. It used to just be about playing time. Now that money is also involved it's an obvious recipe for morale problems between team members.
 
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Zach Jump

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Fact.

There is no I in Team, but there is in I'm gonna get mine.

Culture is a sports buzzword that doesn't mean much anymore, as it relates to College Sports for certain. Much like "student athlete". Throw that term in the dustbin of history.

(Ferentz does as good a job with the culture as any I think, but lot larger roster to deal with and departures are few - I think he's good at identifying the bag chaser's and prima-donnas and just says no thanks).

The athletes never set the culture. They were there for four years in the past. Most are still around four years, done less. Either way people in a place for only four years are not the ones that create the culture.
 

Bunsen82

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And what will your thoughts be in MW decommits? Family culture was a big reason she signed here. What is 3 or 4 other young players leave? That along with the team basically falling apart in several of the last games. Not good.Poster says Deals parents have already spoken with her parents.
I’m glad you have walked away from the ledge since this post. MW was never leaving.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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Question: does any semblance of Culture go out the window then if you’re not developing your own players!?
This. I've said this before, but I don't see how you can sell the "circle" or "family culture" that Iowa was known for in the current situation with 5-8 players leaving teams any given year. Does the mantra "EVERY player is valued" REALLY hold water when one player is making 500K+ and the girl who comes in for her (say Journey Houston) who played better then some starters, get 20% of that? Hard to believe....