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Indiana's Curt Cignetti rips transfer Nick Marsh for gold cleats

Indiana coach Curt Cignetti ripped transfer wide receiver Nick Marsh for wearing gold cleats on the first day of spring practice for the defending national champs.
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"I didn't love those gold shoes he came out in today," Cignetti told reporters. "He learned what getting your *** ripped is all about. I don't know if that happened to him very often at Michigan State. That was before practice started."
 
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this is a thread from the Insider's Board on the very same topic here at NU

BigCL24 said:
So apparently last year the team was all supposed to wear the same color cleats for practice - well, this wasn't enough for DR who demanded that the equipment staff provide hiim with Pink cleats (presumably to stand out as QB1 or something) -

Well practice starts and of course Rhule & Holgo see these Pink cleats and are thinking, WTF?!

Rhule pulls the equipement dude in front of the team and chews HIM out - not Dylan ...

just speaks to the toxic nature of how things got surrounding Raiola (and NOT a good look for Rhule chewing out the $60,000/year equipment guy and not the $10M QB)
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king_kong__ said:
this is a thread from the Insider's Board on the very same topic here at NU
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lucious lyon wtf GIF
 
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Better take it as gospel since it’s something bad about Rhule
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You mean the guy that kept the worst coach on Frost's staff despite letting go much better guys just because his nephew was a 5 star qb, might actually be full of shiite. This same coach then acted like the offensive line coach was gods gift to heaven, openly lying to our faces while we all knew why he was the only coach retained. And now you are doubting that he would rip a peasant in front of the team instead of confronting the 19 year old.
 
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orclover11 said:
You mean the guy that kept the worst coach on Frost's staff despite letting go much better guys just because his nephew was a 5 star qb, might actually be full of shiite. This same coach then acted like the offensive line coach was gods gift to heaven, openly lying to our faces while we all knew why he was the only coach retained. And now you are doubting that he would rip a peasant in front of the team instead of confronting the 19 year old.
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@Spectrumalaska the mad lad actually made a good point
 
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Rhule should have never been hired.. one could review his exit from Carolina and see he would not be able to handle the pressure here either. I don't like seeing him like this either, but yeah, he's a liability already imo. He hunches over and starts speaking softly when he thinks we might not like the answer.. like a battered man. I can't watch him.
 
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NikkiSixx said:
Rhule should have never been hired.. one could review his exit from Carolina and see he would not be able to handle the pressure here either. I don't like seeing him like this either, but yeah, he's a liability already imo. He hunches over and starts speaking softly when he thinks we might not like the answer.. like a battered man. I can't watch him.
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This is rich, the self described "wife discipliner," dog whistle for "wife beater," talks about a "battered man!"

She finally brain you with the cast iron skillet there Nikki?
 
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NikkiSixx said:
Rhule should have never been hired.. one could review his exit from Carolina and see he would not be able to handle the pressure here either. I don't like seeing him like this either, but yeah, he's a liability already imo. He hunches over and starts speaking softly when he thinks we might not like the answer.. like a battered man. I can't watch him.
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Hindsight is 20/20. The NFL is a COMPLETELY different animal than college. His resume at least on the surface pointed to the kind of guy who could develop players. So far, we haven’t seen enough of that and the college game has morphed with NIL and the portal. He still might make it work but I said from day one that we don’t have the booster money base to outspend a lot of schools. We still HAVE to take high schoolers and develop players. Get em on campus, try to instill some loyalty and get the most of them you can. Not an easy task. There’s no way we’re going to buy B1G titles let alone national.
 
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dinglefritz said:
Hindsight is 20/20. The NFL is a COMPLETELY different animal than college. His resume at least on the surface pointed to the kind of guy who could develop players. So far, we haven’t seen enough of that and the college game has morphed with NIL and the portal. He still might make it work but I said from day one that we don’t have the booster money base to outspend a lot of schools. We still HAVE to take high schoolers and develop players. Get em on campus, try to instill some loyalty and get the most of them you can. Not an easy task. There’s no way we’re going to buy B1G titles let alone national.
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1. When coaches fail miserably they rarely regain their confidence and ability...most of the time you see a career resurrection only after rehab or a firing for conduct, not performance. (Carroll and Saban were decent in the NFL, just didn't really like it. Any coach that is fired mid-season for performance is cooked. )
2. Rhule was known as a decent developer of talent if he had access to said talent over a long period of time...like 2-3 years. He still had terrible offenses, and a mediocre record, and was bad in top 25 games.
3. When he was hired it was clear that rebuilding a team through development would never work because of constant transfers and NIL. He needed to build a great staff who could teach complementary systems quickly, while buying into the pay to play model. He is a type A personality who has no patience for resistance to what he thinks is right, he has no ability to retain talented staff members and therefore will be fired ASAP.
 
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dinglefritz said:
Hindsight is 20/20. The NFL is a COMPLETELY different animal than college. His resume at least on the surface pointed to the kind of guy who could develop players. So far, we haven’t seen enough of that and the college game has morphed with NIL and the portal. He still might make it work but I said from day one that we don’t have the booster money base to outspend a lot of schools. We still HAVE to take high schoolers and develop players. Get em on campus, try to instill some loyalty and get the most of them you can. Not an easy task. There’s no way we’re going to buy B1G titles let alone national.
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Lack of player development is hurting this program, and has for a number of years. We just brought in a lot of portal players and now I read that we are weak on the D line and need more help there.
 
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dinglefritz said:
Hindsight is 20/20. The NFL is a COMPLETELY different animal than college. His resume at least on the surface pointed to the kind of guy who could develop players. So far, we haven’t seen enough of that and the college game has morphed with NIL and the portal. He still might make it work but I said from day one that we don’t have the booster money base to outspend a lot of schools. We still HAVE to take high schoolers and develop players. Get em on campus, try to instill some loyalty and get the most of them you can. Not an easy task. There’s no way we’re going to buy B1G titles let alone national.
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not hindsight at all.. I told a bunch of you before he was hired! and here we are
 
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2. Rhule was known as a decent developer of talent if he had access to said talent over a long period of time...like 2-3 years.
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But was he ever really a decent developer of talent? We know he doesn’t directly coach positions. So any success stories he may have had, his impact was indirect. And a coincidence. Like Ty Robinson was drafted in the 4th round because Rhule developed him.
 
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NikkiSixx said:
not hindsight at all.. I told a bunch of you before he was hired! and here we are
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You also told us you beat your wife! This alone is why many ignore what you say. The racist cartoon you got banned for made even more not like you.

Cause and effect, as was described in another post.
 
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OxfordComma said:
But was he ever really a decent developer of talent? We know he doesn’t directly coach positions. So any success stories he may have had, his impact was indirect. And a coincidence. Like Ty Robinson was drafted in the 4th round because Rhule developed him.
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well, he took 2 win teams to 10 wins without recruiting, nil, or transfers. Whether it was luck or skill, twice he bottomed out teams and rebuilt them into above average squads. College football players are notorious for being easily tricked by their head coaches, especially back 10 years ago, so maybe his preacher style really does work to get kids to buy in. And he has remarkable stable rosters considering NIL and the transfer portal, it is just that the players on the roster aren't very good, and aren't being developed. Most coaches fall apart...forget how to coach, run out of energy, can't sustain success...we've seen that happen endlessly here at NU.
 
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orclover11 said:
well, he took 2 win teams to 10 wins without recruiting, nil, or transfers. Whether it was luck or skill, twice he bottomed out teams and rebuilt them into above average squads. College football players are notorious for being easily tricked by their head coaches, especially back 10 years ago, so maybe his preacher style really does work to get kids to buy in. And he has remarkable stable rosters considering NIL and the transfer portal, it is just that the players on the roster aren't very good, and aren't being developed. Most coaches fall apart...forget how to coach, run out of energy, can't sustain success...we've seen that happen endlessly here at NU.
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I was speaking only about developing players. Getting existing players to buy in and garner team success is a different metric. Which didn’t happen here. Or Carolina. But yay Temple!
 
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