Maybe part of their recruiting skill isn’t just using their big name and big wallet to land top 10 guys, but also having an eye for which top guys have the traits to succeed at the highest level in college. Maybe our coaches are identifying those same special guys, but don’t have the ability to reel them in away from Taylor and Cael.
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Oh no no i wasnt calling any of them a disappointment at all I was more saying that iowa has recruited plenty of guys that have been top 10. I was more saying that we have recruited good guys besides angelo and spencer
Resources, practice partners, medicine, peptides, etc
To be fair listening to his podcast he has admitted before that he dosent get them 100 percent right guys like messenbrink caliendo ryan deakin hes admitted to having them ranked to low
Coaching matter at the youth level more now than in Gable days. The talented guys are being very developed at a young age, not as much ceiling left when they reach college for the coach to work with like in Gables day. You’re still going to get your surprises like Caliendo.
I know, which is why I said they are little value. Hit and miss... very fun to look at tho, but nothing more then that
Honesty doesn't matter here. Everybody with a heart beat knows you are correct.
I agree. Its not and exact science and is fun to look back on. I mean for every caliendo who was top 50 There could also be a John Meeks who was top 5 and its no question who had the better career
And anyone with a brain can see i said it matters very little... **** how many super bowls did Areans win without Tom Brady? Now do Bellicheck.... cool now why was Tom Brands the best coach in the country in 2021, and now hes got everyone after his head???
Anyone with a brain knows TALENT is the biggest and most important ingredient... none of these great coaches are going out and finding some random dipshit and making them into a champion... they are polishing diamonds..
If you made Cael and Taylor only take recruits outside the top 50, never allowing them any talented blue chip recruits they'd be fighting with Indiana and purdue for 28th place every year... because, say it with me.... TALENT MATTERS WAY MORE THEN COACHING
We just spent 4 months complaining about coaching and now we're back to "coaching doesn't matter"? Peak cesspool.
27 & 28 classes are looking really good early on & hopefully we can add some more top 20 guys preferably some projected 165 & up but as far as coaching goes I agree some kind of change is needed & hopefully a new assistant can at least help some
Hit and miss at every level in every sport too. I just dont know why ppl think its scripture.
Like iowas upcoming recruits im more excited for Borge and Shamus then I am the older Bachmann and Kenny brother's, thats just my opinion, but they are both lower ranked , just watching them I think they offer more upside
Bringing in talent is 100% part of coaching. Brands was once a damn fine coach but time has passed him by. The sport has changed. Programs have adapted. DT has arrived on the scene. Identifying talent and improving it is very important. Iowa guys have not been improving as the career moves forward very often. Injuries have played a role for certain. Dresser's best days have passed him too. Tom Ryan as well. These old guys aren't winning any team titles. It will pass Cael too in about 10-12 years. The best guys don't want to wrestle in the past.
Coaching matters very little... tell me how much money are you putting down for CSB to win a national title with its current roster,BUT you big Coaching is everything guys get Cael and Taylor as your coaches and Gable as your AD... you gonna put the house on that one??? Coaching really matters right???
I’m aware. Just saying he was on the radar. Not some unknown they took a chance on
He beat DeLuca their senior year at least once. He's not some scrappy underdog.
I didn't say he was. I'm just saying he wasn't an elite top 10-15 recruit. Braeden Davis was on radars as well, still a #42ish big boarder who won a big ten title as a freshman. Iowa got guys like that as well
Haha, this is now going to forever be my mental image of duckunder.
jfc
they don't have to be 100% accurate for there to be a very high correlation of success associate with them.
are you new to this or are you arguing to argue?
For sure I think we got some good ones there shamus ranking might of dipped a bit cause of injury and then and eligibility issue when he was gonna wrestle for mccort in PA had to transfer to lake highland prep in Florida. I do think the Bachmanns are good guys to have though
i love talking wrestling recruiting more than any human on earth.
but i have no idea what you guys are suggesting.
does recruiting matter? does coaching? do the rankings matter?
y'all are all over the place.
but i have no idea what you guys are suggesting.
does recruiting matter? does coaching? do the rankings matter?
y'all are all over the place.
its two people. Stop generalizing.
You're trying to have a logical discussion with the guy pictured in maxpain's post.
The absolutism is crazy. It all matters. Coaching, recruiting, environment, financing.
I was just wondering if the portal matters?
Do you even read the posts or just react to select few words in the comments???
Coaching matters , yes... not that much... again do you think D Taylor, Cael and D Gable could take CSB roster this season and put them even in the top 10 at Nattys??? **** no they wouldn't, not even close... cause TALENT MATTERS MORE THEN COACHING...
Rankings carry little value. Again dont get all butthurt over it, but its mostly opinion... theres never a ranking that you look at and pull up 2-4 years later and say man, nailed that entire list... its just entertainment, thats based mostly on someones opinion (yeah we get it, stats go into it, at the end its still mostly opinions)
The entire start of this was the biggest part of coaching was bringing in the talent, after that its very little to do with coaching and mostly on the athletes talent level and work ethics... plenty of examples proving this... don't know how many we need to keep repeating , you dont disprove any of them, just keep deflecting , but ill try one last time, you disprove them
1. Does Siedel win national title this yr if he was at Okie St and Jax was at VT
2. Was Brands the best coach in the country in 2021 or was iowa the most talented team
3. would CSB place at nationals this yr with their current roster if they had a coaching staff of Cael, Taylor, and Gable?
4. If rankings had alot of value why do some top 10 flop and some outside of the top 30 turn into world beater... why is a 29 seed AAing if rankings matter so much... when do facts start making more sense then these feelings you all got so deeply lol
With the current rosters put me in coaching Penn St and put Cael coaching Pennsylvania and Penn St is still sweeping Pennsylvania 10 out 10 times... its not that difficult to see these facts you guys just wanna deny lol the coaches reeling in the best TALENT are the ones winning
Possibility why Bob stopped in Carver West West.
This is the first time I have seen peptides mentioned but I do wonder how much they are being used. Are some schools using them and others are not?
It’s time for the annual AJ to the hawks thread. I’d still take him, he’s got one year left to wrestle with his brother. He has been somewhat under control in shitville. The leash would be tight I’m sure.
