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TheREALSpooner

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DuckUnder said:
Its very little... you even agreed with me and you are to dense to see that 🤣🤣🤣 "each individual situation is different "
No ****, cause some guys are uber talented whoever their coach is doesnt make a difference... exactly my entire point you are arguing with and agreeing with at the same time 🤣🤣🤣
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Well, I tried to give your thoughts some credence but you crapped all over it instead. So you got the response you deserved and were hoping for.

If you think PSU having so many blue chippers reach all timer status while Iowa’s AA a few times is mostly just luck you’re either ignorant or lying to yourself.

TherealGrip220 said:
Who did IOWA get as recruits at the level of Vega, Robidue and Jax? Besides SL and AF
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Vega was 7th on the Flo Big board.

2026 Hawkeyes ranked 7th or higher by Flo:
Ferrari
Kueter
Arnold
Ayala
Kennedy

Should we compare and contrasts the results of those 5 versus the 3 you mentioned?
 
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Every recruit, even elite recruits are different. There are more and coming out of HS D1 ready from head to toe. Figuring out which guys those are is level 1, getting them in house is level two, keeping them healthy is level 3, fine tuning level 4.
Some of these guys anyone can pick out of a lineup some are a bit more difficult.
 
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FF141

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DuckUnder said:
Also whos to say these recruiting ranking have any value... youre looking at thousands of wrestlers and think theres someone out there that can pinpoint the best 10 lol some of them are easy to see of course, like PJ, Jax, and so on, but id honestly trust a coaches eye for talent over some guy at internat or flo , not knocking those guys, love seeing stuff like that... but if they were elite at spotting talent they'd be getting hired on a staff... and talent slips through the cracks in every sport at every level, baseball is a great example of how some guys hit their stride at different stages , sure coaching plays a little role, but you think talent and work ethics is the biggest role.
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Ya what would Willie know about rankings.
 
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TherealGrip220

TherealGrip220

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TheREALSpooner said:
Well, I tried to give your thoughts some credence but you crapped all over it instead. So you got the response you deserved and were hoping for.

If you think PSU having so many blue chippers reach all timer status while Iowa’s AA a few times is mostly just luck you’re either ignorant or lying to yourself.



Vega was 7th on the Flo Big board.

2026 Hawkeyes ranked 7th or higher by Flo:
Ferrari
Kueter
Arnold
Ayala
Kennedy

Should we compare and contrasts the results of those 5 versus the 3 you mentioned?
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Your evaluation based on a simple flow ranking is exactly why most people fail to see the bigger picture.
 
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DuckUnder

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TheREALSpooner said:
Well, I tried to give your thoughts some credence but you crapped all over it instead. So you got the response you deserved and were hoping for.

If you think PSU having so many blue chippers reach all timer status while Iowa’s AA a few times is mostly just luck you’re either ignorant or lying to yourself.



Vega was 7th on the Flo Big board.

2026 Hawkeyes ranked 7th or higher by Flo:
Ferrari
Kueter
Arnold
Ayala
Kennedy

Should we compare and contrasts the results of those 5 versus the 3 you mentioned?
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Lol the response of you have no clue what youre talking about so talk about pudding or just deflect lol ok bud... you CLEARLY can not read lol its not luck, its a great eye for talent, which if you could read youd seen its what I said... jfc you arent very bright 🤣
 
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FF141 said:
Ya what would Willie know about rankings.
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I pay more attention to when Cael goes after Desmond or some other guy outside the top 10 then what Willie or flo or anyone else has in their rankings... where did these guys have starocci ranked at?? What about Caliendo??? Messenbrink??? Yeah, rankings are fun to look at , definitely, but they carry little value
 
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MALOS said:
Bro, they were both ranked 1 and 2 throughout the season. They’ve been on campus for a total of 2 months before they hit those rankings. Everyone knows these top 10 p4p kids can’t all compete out of the gate. They are already talking about Miller doing exactly what Jax did this year. Bet on Jayden James and Melvin Miller — pretend like you heard it here first
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Neither will win an NCAA title next year. You heard it here first. They were on campus in May. They were not ranked there in July. 7 months isn't 2.
 
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DuckUnder

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ChicagoHawk2020 said:
A better example would be Vega and Landon. And no I don’t think they win a title if they were at Iowa.
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Why is it a better example? They definitely would still be contenders for the championship... Jax and Siedel are the perfect example , and you and everyone else knows that Siedel at Okie St still isn't beating Jax and that means...... coaching has very little to do with it
 
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FF141

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DuckUnder said:
I pay more attention to when Cael goes after Desmond or some other guy outside the top 10 then what Willie or flo or anyone else has in their rankings... where did these guys have starocci ranked at?? What about Caliendo??? Messenbrink??? Yeah, rankings are fun to look at , definitely, but they carry little value
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Little value? Common. It’s not like Desmond or Starocci were some Diamond in the rough. Still highly ranked. It’s an imperfect science for sure and it can cut both ways. PSU is good at it though. The majority of coaches? I’d say luck more than anything
 
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kingstown

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TherealGrip220 said:
Who did IOWA get as recruits at the level of Vega, Robidue and Jax? Besides SL and AF
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PK #6 who was teched in the semi finals by #7 Haines.. He and Vega were the same level recruit. Alex M. was that level. Ben Kueter was that level. Gabe Arnold was #5. Drake was #5. That isn't a true freshman national title winner very often. Vega and Rob were #5 and #7. Identifying talent is huge but nobody saw Vega doing this before the season.
 
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DuckUnder

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TheREALSpooner said:
Guys, if you give Kevin Jackson a head coaching job and PSU or Okie State’s roster, he would have the same results.

It’s true as long as you add a lot of laughing emojis to your post.
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Another comment from the guy who offers little to nothing to the forum... he wouldn't get those recruits dumbass , the another point i made earlier is the draw that Cael and Taylor have for about any recruit they want.. which is the biggest part of coaching , getting the most TALENTED guys.... but yeah, Stanfords staff is elite enough to have a champion , not much to do with the wrestlers talent 🤣🤣🤣 they were elite coaches, but just for the 149 weight class... No Colorado use to have elite coaches for a weight class too... hell CSB was pretty good at coaching 197 last yr, wasnt the fact it was AJ Ferrari, just listen to Spooner it was coaching 🤣🤣🤣 ****** clown
 
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TheREALSpooner

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DuckUnder said:
So do you think if Siedel was at Okie st and Jax was at VT that Siedel is the champion and Jax is pulling up in that 3rd-4th place match???
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I think we can all agree Jax Forrest is an absolute freak of nature. A near unicorn. An outlier.


DuckUnder said:
Lol the response of you have no clue what youre talking about so talk about pudding or just deflect lol ok bud... you CLEARLY can not read lol its not luck, its a great eye for talent, which if you could read youd seen its what I said... jfc you arent very bright 🤣
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Don’t read what someone else wrote. 20 minutes later lose your mind someone didn’t read what you wrote. You’re a fun guy.


TherealGrip220 said:
Your evaluation based on a simple flow ranking is exactly why most people fail to see the bigger picture.
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Wait, you asked for recruits at that level but now you’re saying those guys aren’t at that level? Really? How many people considered guys like Vega and Rob freshmen NCAA champs a year ago? Everyone must have just missed the “bigger picture” I guess.
 
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TheREALSpooner

TheREALSpooner

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DuckUnder said:
Another comment from the guy who offers little to nothing to the forum... he wouldn't get those recruits dumbass , the another point i made earlier is the draw that Cael and Taylor have for about any recruit they want.. which is the biggest part of coaching , getting the most TALENTED guys.... but yeah, Stanfords staff is elite enough to have a champion , not much to do with the wrestlers talent 🤣🤣🤣 they were elite coaches, but just for the 149 weight class... No Colorado use to have elite coaches for a weight class too... hell CSB was pretty good at coaching 197 last yr, wasnt the fact it was AJ Ferrari, just listen to Spooner it was coaching 🤣🤣🤣 ****** clown
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See, guys. The laughing emojis! That’s how you make a strong point because you don’t look unhinged at all.

Of course recruiting and talent matter. You’re arguing with yourself on that.

I will be sure to let Coach Gable know coaching doesn’t matter the next time I see him. Everyone trains the same, motivates the same, has the same strategy, style, mindset, etc.

Coaching matters. No matter how many laughing emojis you add to your posts.
 
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Tyhawk

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WillieTheBrain said:
if coaching doesnt have anything to do with it then why isn't every Top 10 recruit in the finals as a FR?

there is definitely coaching involved in the success. sometime that only needs to be in the form of 'not effing it up'. but it is indeed part of coaching.
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When do you update your big board & your 27 & 28 top 100?
 
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TheREALSpooner said:
See, guys. The laughing emojis! That’s how you make a strong point because you don’t look unhinged at all.

Of course recruiting and talent matter. You’re arguing with yourself on that.

I will be sure to let Coach Gable know coaching doesn’t matter the next time I see him. Everyone trains the same, motivates the same, has the same strategy, style, mindset, etc.

Coaching matters. No matter how many laughing emojis you add to your posts.
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As usual, no input or facts, just random rambling ******** out of this dipshit lol yeah, let him know, hes really gonna give a **** what little spoon says 😂 im sure you 2 meet up at Dennys weekly to talk wrestling 🤣🤣🤡
Coaching matters very little, bringing in talent matters more, which is why you have to say Jax is a unicorn rather then admit hed still beat Siedel even if Siedel had Gable, Cael, Taylor, John Smith all in his corner coaching him lol please make another comment of your rambling no information ******** below, everyone loves reading your dumb comments
 
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FF141 said:
They’re based on results…. And many of these coaches do rely on them.
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Well duh lol all rankings and seedings are based on some results... and opinions ... I highly doubt coaches are basing much off of recruiting ranking lists lol they have people that go out and actually recruit and watch and evaluate themselves
 
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Libertylover

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TherealGrip220 said:
Who did IOWA get as recruits at the level of Vega, Robidue and Jax? Besides SL and AF
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When the same coaches develop different wrestlers at the same weight class the same way, but there is much different results, that doesn’t mean the coach got suddenly worse or better. Ferrari and Abe Assad had the same college coach their freshman year, who did better and who was a bigger recruit, just as an example. Taylor didn’t do as well his first year with some of the talented left overs from Smith his first year, but it wasn’t because he became a much better coach. His success has come with his hand picked high end portal guys his first year, and his mega talented 1st recruiting class. This doesn’t mean he’s not a solid coach, but what makes him special is what make Carl special. Their ability to bring in and retain the best talent in the country consistently.
 
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kingstown said:
PK #6 who was teched in the semi finals by #7 Haines. Identifying talent is huge but nobody saw Vega doing this before the season.
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In different years. Hakeem Olajuwan and Joe Smith were both #1 overall picks in different NBA drafts. I'm not sure that's a totally relevant argument. Vega was a STUD....I told a Cornell buddy of mine, that I thought Vega was THE most impressive kid at Super 32 after it was over and that Super 32 was loaded with talent. DT obviously saw the same thing since he immediately started the poaching process.
 
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Libertylover said:
When the same coaches develop different wrestlers at the same weight class the same way, but there is much different results, that doesn’t mean the coach got suddenly worse or better. Ferrari and Abe Assad had the same college coach their freshman year, who did better and who was a bigger recruit, just as an example. Taylor didn’t do as well his first year with some of the talented left overs from Smith his first year, but it wasn’t because he became a much better coach. His success has come with his hand picked high end portal guys his first year, and his mega talented 1st recruiting class. This doesn’t mean he’s not a solid coach, but what makes him special is what make Carl special. Their ability to bring in and retain the best talent in the country consistently.
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☝️ he gets it
 
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you could all just be honest in this thread and say that you won't admit that coaching matters so you can have the excuse that you're just not recruiting well.

believe what you want b/c at the end of the day it doesn't matter. you're getting the results you're getting, and nothing is changing any time soon.
 
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Squatch96 said:
PK Kueter Gabe deluca were all ranked pretty high top 10 for sure of the top of my head so was Jesuroga before he hung them up
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Why you throwing Deluca, who was #9, under the bus? Beat a stater and NCAA qualifier in his first match, was injured and never seen again. How does that make him a disappointment!
 
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Libertylover

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TherealGrip220 said:
I will give DT credit on his work with Robideau, Jax and Vega may have done the same if they went to any top 10 school.
This is about recruiting and environment and that is where they deserve the most credit.
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I didn’t know much about Robideau until I seen him handle Melvin miller pretty easily in freestyle last year. Then I realized Taylor had a real stud on his hands, and why he flipped him.
 
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TheREALSpooner

TheREALSpooner

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DuckUnder said:
As usual, no input or facts, just random rambling ******** out of this dipshit lol yeah, let him know, hes really gonna give a **** what little spoon says 😂 im sure you 2 meet up at Dennys weekly to talk wrestling 🤣🤣🤡
Coaching matters very little, bringing in talent matters more, which is why you have to say Jax is a unicorn rather then admit hed still beat Siedel even if Siedel had Gable, Cael, Taylor, John Smith all in his corner coaching him lol please make another comment of your rambling no information ******** below, everyone loves reading your dumb comments
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We 100% agree on Jax. He’s just plain different. I’d have felt the same about Spencer. And Jax is better yet.

TheREALSpooner said:
I think we can all agree Jax Forrest is an absolute freak of nature. A near unicorn. An outlier.
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DuckUnder

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WillieTheBrain said:
you could all just be honest in this thread and say that you won't admit that coaching matters so you can have the excuse that you're just not recruiting well.

believe what you want b/c at the end of the day it doesn't matter. you're getting the results you're getting, and nothing is changing any time soon.
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It matters a little, like I've said numerous times... so brands where great coaches with Spencer, or Spencer was a great talent?2021 they were great coaches, best coaches in the country, OR they had alot of talent on the team. .... as the entire point of this
TALENT>coaching
 
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DuckUnder said:
So your ranking are always 100% accurate?
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No rankings are 100% accurate. Look at college football recruiting rankings, organizations like 247 spend big money analyzing recruits and updating their rankings. There are misses there as well. Rankings show a blend of results and projection based on skill set. There will always be outliers in any ranking.
 
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