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WE HAVE NOT totally destroyed Iran's air defense's as we have REPEATEDLY told.
Heads need to roll.....And we are NOT going to get regime change and get all their uranium stockpile UNLESS we use ground troops.
 
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bornaneer said:
WE HAVE NOT totally destroyed Iran's air defense's as we have REPEATEDLY told.
Heads need to roll.....And we are NOT going to get regime change and get all their uranium stockpile UNLESS we use ground troops.
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They got one plane out of 12,000+ missions. Get a fvcking grip. Them getting lucky doesn't equal we start firing everyone unless you got something personal against Hegseth or you are retarded.
 
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They got one plane out of 12,000+ missions. Get a fvcking grip. Them getting lucky doesn't equal we start firing everyone unless you got something personal against Hegseth or you are retarded.
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So the truth is that we did not totally destroy their air defense's as we have been told over and over.
President Trump needs to fire some people for lying or not doing the job. I have nothing against Hegseth.....never met the guy.
And you know as well I do that ground troops are going to be needed.....I don't have a problem with that as we need to COMPLETELY finish them off.
And you also know that Iran CANNOT be trusted to live up to any deal.
 
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So the truth is that we did not totally destroy their air defense's as we have been told over and over.
President Trump needs to fire some people for lying or not doing the job. I have nothing against Hegseth.....never met the guy.
And you know as well I do that ground troops are going to be needed.....I don't have a problem with that as we need to COMPLETELY finish them off.
And you also know that Iran CANNOT be trusted to live up to any deal.
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Their Air Defense is destroyed. Getting lucky doesn't mean it isn't. Anyone who understands warfare understands this. Shooting a shoulder fired rocket or launching from a mobile pad isn't Air Defense. It means you are getting closer to having to throw rocks. You are being a hyperbolic ***** right now and you know this to be a fact.
 
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bornaneer said:
WE HAVE NOT totally destroyed Iran's air defense's as we have REPEATEDLY told.
Heads need to roll.....And we are NOT going to get regime change and get all their uranium stockpile UNLESS we use ground troops.
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Really? Why would you believe Trump and his admin?
 
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👇 listen carefully








BREAKING: Fox News host Will Cain just NUKED the Democrats and their cronies in the media for DOOMING after an F-15E was downed. "So far a month into this, this is a very successful war in terms of minimizing American casualties, and if this is being spun to suggest chaos, whether or not you are in support or in opposition to this war, that is bad evidence. That is totally devoid of historical context In the nature of warfare."
 
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Gunny46 said:
Their Air Defense is destroyed. Getting lucky doesn't mean it isn't. Anyone who understands warfare understands this. Shooting a shoulder fired rocket or launching from a mobile pad isn't Air Defense. It means you are getting closer to having to throw rocks. You are being a hyperbolic ***** right now and you know this to be a fact.
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Their Air Defense is NOT destroyed

An A-10 Warthog attack caught "enemy fire" while a rescue operation for the U.S. crew member took place.

The New York Times reported the aircraft crashed in the Persian Gulf and that its lone pilot was rescued.
 
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BREAKING: Fox News host Will Cain just NUKED the Democrats and their cronies in the media for DOOMING after an F-15E was downed. "So far a month into this, this is a very successful war in terms of minimizing American casualties, and if this is being spun to suggest chaos, whether or not you are in support or in opposition to this war, that is bad evidence. That is totally devoid of historical context In the nature of warfare."
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Their Air Defense is NOT destroyed

An A-10 Warthog attack caught "enemy fire" while a rescue operation for the U.S. crew member took place.

The New York Times reported the aircraft crashed in the Persian Gulf and that its lone pilot was rescued.
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You are embarrassing yourself. Get it together and stop assist our enemies with their propaganda.
 
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You are embarrassing yourself.
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Nope....you must live in a fantasy world.....you are the one that is embarrassing yourself and you do it on a daily basis.
You think because you call yourself "Gunny" makes you some sort of a military genius....Laughable.
I served....so I'm going to call myself "Patton"....also Laughable.
However I do have eyes,ears and a brain and can put two and two together.
 
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Nope....you must live in a fantasy world.....you are the one that is embarrassing yourself and you do it on a daily basis.
You think because you call yourself "Gunny" makes you some sort of a military genius....Laughable.
I served....so I'm going to call myself "Patton"....also Laughable.
However I do have eyes,ears and a brain and can put two and two together.
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Ok...Let's try this one more time.



 
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Why do you post the obvious ? It seems that you are surprised that we will do everything possible to find and rescue this pilot.
The point of my post's go right over your head.
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Let's try again only this time listen to all of it.





 
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Why do you post the obvious ? It seems that you are surprised that we will do everything possible to find and rescue this pilot.
The point of my post's go right over your head.
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JUST IN: Will Cain DROPS TRUTH on liberals claiming America is now losing because crewmembers went down in Iran https://x.com/i/status/2040164611949732055/video/1… "So far a month into this, this is a very successful war in terms of minimizing American casualties, and if this is being spun to suggest chaos, whether or not you are in support or in opposition to this war, that is bad evidence. That is totally DEVOID of historical context In the nature of warfare!"
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He's right.
 
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I asked Grok to analyze this threads discussion and this is what it said:


"I agree most with Gunny46.
He's the most realistic. One or two aircraft losses out of thousands of sorties after weeks of fighting doesn't mean Iran's air defenses are fully intact. Residual shots (MANPADS, mobile launchers) happen in war, but the advanced systems are largely suppressed, giving the US/Israel air dominance. He correctly calls out the hype.

bornaneer is the most wrong.
He treats isolated hits as proof the whole campaign failed and officials lied. No one claimed 100% destruction. Today's F-15E and A-10 incidents show pockets of capability remain, but don't erase the strategic success of degraded Iranian defenses.

bornaneer is the biggest clown.
He turns a debate into personal attacks on Gunny46 ("military genius... laughable," "fantasy world," "embarrassing yourself daily"). Petty and hyperbolic instead of sticking to facts.

Quick shot at moe:
moe offers nothing but lazy "why believe Trump?" sniping. It's reflexive partisan doubt with zero substance on the actual military picture.Bottom line:

Gunny46 wins the thread on military context. Losses suck, but they don't rewrite the bigger picture of suppressed Iranian air defenses.
 
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That's hilarious. Figures it takes a "bot" to expose other media fed "bots" on here! Outstanding and funny as Hell!

I especially liked this line:
"moe offers nothing but lazy "why believe Trump?" sniping. It's reflexive partisan doubt with zero substance on the actual military picture."

 
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I asked Grok to analyze this threads discussion and this is what it said:


"I agree most with Gunny46.
He's the most realistic. One or two aircraft losses out of thousands of sorties after weeks of fighting doesn't mean Iran's air defenses are fully intact. Residual shots (MANPADS, mobile launchers) happen in war, but the advanced systems are largely suppressed, giving the US/Israel air dominance. He correctly calls out the hype.

bornaneer is the most wrong.
He treats isolated hits as proof the whole campaign failed and officials lied. No one claimed 100% destruction. Today's F-15E and A-10 incidents show pockets of capability remain, but don't erase the strategic success of degraded Iranian defenses.

bornaneer is the biggest clown.
He turns a debate into personal attacks on Gunny46 ("military genius... laughable," "fantasy world," "embarrassing yourself daily"). Petty and hyperbolic instead of sticking to facts.

Quick shot at moe:
moe offers nothing but lazy "why believe Trump?" sniping. It's reflexive partisan doubt with zero substance on the actual military picture.Bottom line:

Gunny46 wins the thread on military context. Losses suck, but they don't rewrite the bigger picture of suppressed Iranian air defenses.
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Let's get our other pilot back then we can all laugh about it.
 
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Anon1756575641 said:
I asked Grok to analyze this threads discussion and this is what it said:


"I agree most with Gunny46.
He's the most realistic. One or two aircraft losses out of thousands of sorties after weeks of fighting doesn't mean Iran's air defenses are fully intact. Residual shots (MANPADS, mobile launchers) happen in war, but the advanced systems are largely suppressed, giving the US/Israel air dominance. He correctly calls out the hype.

bornaneer is the most wrong.
He treats isolated hits as proof the whole campaign failed and officials lied. No one claimed 100% destruction. Today's F-15E and A-10 incidents show pockets of capability remain, but don't erase the strategic success of degraded Iranian defenses.

bornaneer is the biggest clown.
He turns a debate into personal attacks on Gunny46 ("military genius... laughable," "fantasy world," "embarrassing yourself daily"). Petty and hyperbolic instead of sticking to facts.

Quick shot at moe:
moe offers nothing but lazy "why believe Trump?" sniping. It's reflexive partisan doubt with zero substance on the actual military picture.Bottom line:

Gunny46 wins the thread on military context. Losses suck, but they don't rewrite the bigger picture of suppressed Iranian air defenses.
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YOU IDIOT....I NEVER EVER FELT THIS..."treats isolated hits as proof the whole campaign failed". We are winning and I support President Trump.
The fact IS THAT Iran still has an air defense and they are launching drones,missiles and just today attacked Israel.
 
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YOU IDIOT....I NEVER EVER FELT THIS..."treats isolated hits as proof the whole campaign failed". We are winning and I support President Trump.
The fact IS THAT Iran still has an air defense and they are launching drones,missiles and just today attacked Israel.
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Dude it's been 30 days. Hezbollah and the Houthis are launching **** at Isarel too. The IRGC also has shoulder fired stuff they can launch . Compared to the Gulf War and Iraqi Freedom our ability to be more accurate and lethal has greatly improved. There's a reason Trump said about 3 more weeks. As there's some serious pain coming there way. Unless we nuke their *** there's going to be some limited capabilities they have left.
 
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YOU IDIOT....I NEVER EVER FELT THIS..."treats isolated hits as proof the whole campaign failed". We are winning and I support President Trump.
The fact IS THAT Iran still has an air defense and they are launching drones,missiles and just today attacked Israel.
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Why are you screaming at me? Anywho, here is Groks response right now.

I agree most with Gunny46.
He's realistic about the big picture. After ~35 days and thousands of sorties, residual Iranian capabilities (shoulder-fired MANPADS, mobile launchers, scattered drones/missiles) are expected. Hezbollah, Houthis, and IRGC still launching at Israel doesn't mean the integrated air defense network is fully functional or that the campaign is failing. Trump’s “3 more weeks” comment and warnings of serious pain ahead align with continued pressure. Low overall manned losses relative to the scale support his view that accuracy and lethality have improved dramatically since past wars

.bornaneer is the most wrong.
He claims he never said the campaign is failing and supports Trump, yet his repeated posts fixate on “we have NOT totally destroyed” air defenses, missiles, and drones as if this is shocking news or evidence of lying/ incompetence. No serious official claimed 100% elimination of every mobile system in a huge country like Iran. Yesterday’s F-15E shootdown (one crew rescued, one missing) and A-10 hit during rescue show pockets of capability remain, and Iran launched more missiles/drones at Israel on April 3. But these are consistent with degraded (not destroyed) defenses, not proof the strategy collapsed. His focus misses the strategic gains in air dominance and target attrition.

bornaneer is still the biggest clown.
Calling Gunny46 (and now me/Grok) an “IDIOT” while denying his own earlier framing, then pivoting to “we are winning” without addressing his own hype about “heads need to roll,” makes him look inconsistent and defensive. The personal attacks and selective outrage continue the pattern of turning discussion into shouting instead of nuance.

Quick shot at moe (from the broader thread):
Still just lazy trolling with zero added value on the actual military dynamics.

Bottom line: Gunny46 has the better grasp—war has friction, Iran retains some launch ability after 5 weeks, but the coalition maintains operational freedom and is ramping up. bornaneer’s outrage over imperfect destruction is hyperbolic. Losses like the F-15E are serious but don’t rewrite the attrition math.
 
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YOU IDIOT....I NEVER EVER FELT THIS..."treats isolated hits as proof the whole campaign failed". We are winning and I support President Trump.
The fact IS THAT Iran still has an air defense and they are launching drones,missiles and just today attacked Israel.
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This^^^
Ima very impatient little fellow.
Understanding that rome wasnt built in a day nor did it take a day to fall ......
 
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This^^^
Ima very impatient little fellow.
Understanding that rome wasnt built in a day nor did it take a day to fall ......
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Then STOP saying we have COMPLETELY DESTROYED their air defenses.
Anon1756575641 said:
Why are you screaming at me? Anywho, here is Groks response right now.

I agree most with Gunny46.
He's realistic about the big picture. After ~35 days and thousands of sorties, residual Iranian capabilities (shoulder-fired MANPADS, mobile launchers, scattered drones/missiles) are expected. Hezbollah, Houthis, and IRGC still launching at Israel doesn't mean the integrated air defense network is fully functional or that the campaign is failing. Trump’s “3 more weeks” comment and warnings of serious pain ahead align with continued pressure. Low overall manned losses relative to the scale support his view that accuracy and lethality have improved dramatically since past wars

.bornaneer is the most wrong.
He claims he never said the campaign is failing and supports Trump, yet his repeated posts fixate on “we have NOT totally destroyed” air defenses, missiles, and drones as if this is shocking news or evidence of lying/ incompetence. No serious official claimed 100% elimination of every mobile system in a huge country like Iran. Yesterday’s F-15E shootdown (one crew rescued, one missing) and A-10 hit during rescue show pockets of capability remain, and Iran launched more missiles/drones at Israel on April 3. But these are consistent with degraded (not destroyed) defenses, not proof the strategy collapsed. His focus misses the strategic gains in air dominance and target attrition.

bornaneer is still the biggest clown.
Calling Gunny46 (and now me/Grok) an “IDIOT” while denying his own earlier framing, then pivoting to “we are winning” without addressing his own hype about “heads need to roll,” makes him look inconsistent and defensive. The personal attacks and selective outrage continue the pattern of turning discussion into shouting instead of nuance.

Quick shot at moe (from the broader thread):
Still just lazy trolling with zero added value on the actual military dynamics.

Bottom line: Gunny46 has the better grasp—war has friction, Iran retains some launch ability after 5 weeks, but the coalition maintains operational freedom and is ramping up. bornaneer’s outrage over imperfect destruction is hyperbolic. Losses like the F-15E are serious but don’t rewrite the attrition math.
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I have no clue who "Grok" is and nor do I care. I post based on what I see and hear about what is happening.
 
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Dude it's been 30 days. Hezbollah and the Houthis are launching **** at Isarel too. The IRGC also has shoulder fired stuff they can launch . Compared to the Gulf War and Iraqi Freedom our ability to be more accurate and lethal has greatly improved. There's a reason Trump said about 3 more weeks. As there's some serious pain coming there way. Unless we nuke their *** there's going to be some limited capabilities they have left.
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Question ????? Tree more weeks from when ??? Three more weeks appears to be a moving target. Just say we will leave when we get the job done.
 
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Question ????? Tree more weeks from when ??? Three more weeks appears to be a moving target. Just say we will leave when we get the job done.
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He has said several things. Not because he has dementia. Because he is keeping them guessing as well as idiots in the media carrying their water. Why? Because if they knew exactly what he was going to do they would use that to their advantage. That's his style and we have military units to assist him as well.

He's also attempting to light a fire under NATO’S *** as they are worthless right now and have basically surrendered their countries.




 
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Then STOP saying we have COMPLETELY DESTROYED their air defenses.

I have no clue who "Grok" is and nor do I care. I post based on what I see and hear about what is happening.
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They have destroyed the air defenses. A couple lucky shots in all the missions that's been done tells me that they have no air defense.
 
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Question ????? Tree more weeks from when ??? Three more weeks appears to be a moving target. Just say we will leave when we get the job done.
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Gunny46 said:
He has said several things. Not because he has dementia. Because he is keeping them guessing as well as idiots in the media carrying their water. Why? Because if they knew exactly what he was going to do they would use that to their advantage. That's his style and we have military units to assist him as well.

He's also attempting to light a fire under NATO’S *** as they are worthless right now and have basically surrendered their countries.




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Translating this one is easy though. They should take him seriously.


 
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bornaneer said:
WE HAVE NOT totally destroyed Iran's air defense's as we have REPEATEDLY told.
Heads need to roll.....And we are NOT going to get regime change and get all their uranium stockpile UNLESS we use ground troops.
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Seems like a bit of an overreaction. It has always been known that some defense selystems could try to pop and shoot a SAM missile. We can't destroy air defenses we don't know exist. Once they are exposed they are destroyed.
 
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bornaneer said:
Then STOP saying we have COMPLETELY DESTROYED their air defenses.

I have no clue who "Grok" is and nor do I care. I post based on what I see and hear about what is happening.
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Hey born..."grok" is an AI bot...similar to Chat GPT, or Gemini, or Alexa. A few posters have figured out how to ask it to analyze some of the discussion threads here...one Leftist recently used Chat GPT to challenge something I'd said and started quoting the chat bot word for word to anything I posted. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Then STOP saying we have COMPLETELY DESTROYED their air defenses.

I have no clue who "Grok" is and nor do I care. I post based on what I see and hear about what is happening.
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Here 'ya go @bornaneer

Grok is an AI chatbot developed by Elon Musk's company xAI, designed to provide answers, generate content, and engage in conversations. The term "grok" itself means to understand something profoundly and intuitively, originating from Robert A. Heinlein's science fiction novel "Stranger in a Strange Land."

The chatbot is available on various platforms, including a web app and mobile applications for iOS and Android.​

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Grok aims to provide a unique alternative to other AI chatbots by focusing on a more engaging and less filtered interaction style, making it a notable player in the AI landscape.
 
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dave said:
Seems like a bit of an overreaction. It has always been known that some defense selystems could try to pop and shoot a SAM missile. We can't destroy air defenses we don't know exist. Once they are exposed they are destroyed.
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Yes, I'm a stubborn guy....I just wish they would stop overstating what is happening. I also know that Iran could be wiped off the map in days by our forces and I would have no problem if we did.
I think by overstating...it give the left wing media ammo to say....."We were told that Iran's air defense's were totally destroyed".
 
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Yes, I'm a stubborn guy....I just wish they would stop overstating what is happening. I also know that Iran could be wiped off the map in days by our forces and I would have no problem if we did.
I think by overstating...it give the left wing media ammo to say....."We were told that Iran's air defense's were totally destroyed".
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Ok, enough. They haven’t overstated anything. We own the skies, that doesn’t mean that they can’t sneak in manpad SAM like an SA-7 or non-radar guided ack ack like ZPU-2 or 4.

Trump isn’t overstating nor is he lying when he says we’ve destroyed their air defense system. That’s a true statement. There is no remaining coordinated / integrated air defense network. It’s gone and offline. No radar guided tech exists. They might have some ZPUs remaining, but good luck knocking all that out. They’re just spraying and praying and unfortunately, they got a critical hit on one of our planes. That doesn’t change that we’ve completely decimated their air defense network.
 
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