You’re a legend in your own mind, sport.
You’re a dog with a bone.
I can’t even imagine the level of exhaustion we will have by the end of next season after watching you litigate Pope’s defense day after day, minute by minute, 365/24/7.
Mark Pope needs to rescind the Tyran Stokes offer immediately
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You’re a dog with a bone.
I can’t even imagine the level of exhaustion we will have by the end of next season after watching you litigate Pope’s defense day after day, minute by minute, 365/24/7.
They only defend him because he played here.
Also the lone reason he got the job. Barney is a moron.
Actually, this just shows your ignorance to facts. EVERY coach is going to have his defenders because he is the coach. Heck, Billy G had his defenders right up to the end. We even had a thread entitled, "Post here if you support the coach" started by one of my online friends back when Billy was here. Sorry to be harsh but when I taught college classes every student knew that I graded on the basis of students using actual facts and not wild speculations with no basis in reality.
Maybe, but I’m not wrong either
That just sounds dumb. Yeah, lets not play with a future NBA player who can make life easier for me buy drawing double teams to free me up for open shots. If you didn't watch the Mickey D's game, you missed a small sample of him being a floor general who knows when to take over a game.
Yeah that’s a little harsh because the reason you’re citing is irrational and based in circular logic. I get your point but you might as well say “because they are bananas” and that’s really not a reason.
bassfan was one of those idiots and I’d never want him as a poster child for “actual facts”
Stokes is doing the same thing ti KU. He isn’t going to Kansas. He is waiting for the highest bidder. Coincidentally while writing this post a notification came across my screen that Gonzaga is now making a push for Stokes.
The Stokes recruitment just has a bad vibe, that “show me the money” vibe…and although I understand that’s how the game is played these days I hate this drag it out to the bitter end crap.
Just pick which school will be overpaying for your services and get on with it.
Just pick which school will be overpaying for your services and get on with it.
It’s getting to be where everything you post is debunked. Maybe stop trying to use flawed numbers and facts.
This is hilarious. Look, you're wrong and that's a very common theme with you.
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I didn’t start that back and forth, I finished it, then you come in and fire it back up with another stupid comment. Nice work private Pile.Why didn’t Mullins or Demary go to UK?
Anyone can play this game
False. Where did you get this bs? I don't care who it is, he deserves a 3rd year, he has done nothing to get fired. Why is this so hard to understand?
As far as him being an ex UK player, yeah, that means something, but the only thing I've been saying about that is, can we stop piling on, trashing him and calling him a dope? Is that seriously how we're going to treat an ex UK player? Really?
Name 1 player that he recruited out of high school that’s in the nba
I will ask you for the same kind of evidence that you asked me to provide in another thread. Can you name one poster who has made it clear that he or she supports Pope because he is a former player?
As for my original post on the subject. I really didn't give a reason. I gave an example. During his second season, we had a long thread asking for those who support Billy G to post. I didn't post in that thread because I felt Billy G was wrong for the program. I may or may not decide Pope isn't right for the program in the future. It has nothing to do with him being a former player. That is a straw man, to use an expression that you used once before.
What was fun about the offense last year?
Mods please don’t delete this thread. If Stokes picks UK I want to be able to reference it and see who all was wanting him out.
You're just projecting. I've been right about pretty much everything I've said about this year's team since before the Purdue exhibition. I claimed to ITVI this team wouldn't get further than last year's, and I was right. I claimed we overspent for the roster delivered, and that is dead on accurate.
I don't expect you to understand any of this or look at anything rationally. You're posting off emotion right now. You're a good guy, but right now with the state you are in, we won't see eye to eye.
And that's fine -- ain't a thing wrong with that.
Jeff see's the 1996 title and signing balls and cards for kids. And him getting off the bus with the trophy and the slick new uniforms,. It is what it is, this is what happens when you hire beloved former players.
No, I just don't think life, or the head coaching job at UK, is a video game. You guys do.
If you were the AD, would you fire Mark Pope right now? If so, for what reason?
Don't say "I wouldn’t have hired him", that's not the question. I wouldn’t have hired him either.
Context clues, homeboy. Pope is a poor recruiter, the recruiting is getting worse, the blowout losses and poor starts/lack of effort are still there in year 2. The defense still sucks. We have a 15 year sample size. Magically thinking Pope will suddenly figure it out, in year 3, with Mo Williams' help, is certaintly a take. I had this same argument with Mark Stoops fans.
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Must’ve missed the part about injuries and everything. I think everyone will agree that our product wasn’t what it was supposed to be, unless it doesn’t fit your narrative.
If we get Stokes, then there’s a good chance we run into lots of problems next year, then guess what, people are going to bi.tch. If we don’t get stokes, guess what, people are going to bi.tch. People are going to blame Mark Pope no matter how it turns out. If you take Stokes out of the equation, get some really good players that actually want to play, you might eliminate an enormous amount of drama that could possibly happen. In the end, you might actually end up with a pretty damn good team.
I don’t care whether the moderators delete it or not. It’s no skin off of my back. I never was one of those ha ha told you so people. If you want to spend hours going through old threads for something that means nothing then the more power to you buddy.
Mark Pope doesn’t really have the luxury of having the wiggle room to have to deal with team problems next season. I really think it’s to his advantage if Stokes stays out of the bluegrass.
We have a 2 year sample size. We have never judged any of our other coaches on whst they did at their previous schools.
An AD wouldn’t include what Pope did at f-ing Utah Valley state when evaluating his performance at UK.
I get it, his recruiting sucks and there have been blowout losses. But would you fire him right now?
Worst part is, it's the same people that will ***** if we get Stokes and he fakes an injury, or if Pope misses on Stokes. Either way, the same people will say "see, I told you, Pope sucks, I knew this would happen"
They just want to complain, makes them feel better
We have a 2 year sample size, where there is constants, lack of effort in games, poor 1st half starts, poor/awful recruiting, and awful defense/sub patterns. Largely, the same issues, he had at BYU and UVS. And yes I would fire him. We are kicking the can down the road. This is not some young up and comer, who's still learning how to coach. He's been doing this almost 20 years. It's the same argument as Mark Stoops final year.
Take off the nostalgia goggles, this is Mark Jones, from Middle point, Ohio. Former player at Youngstown state. Are you keeping him?
You would fire him and that would be a massive mistake. No coach is taking this job if you fire a guy that, in year 1, with major injuries, took the team he built, in a month, to a sweet 16 with bigtime wins throughout the year.
Yeah, there are cobstants, but then, there are things that are not constant that you failed to mention:
-Did you ever hear of Pope setting a record for most quad 1 wins at BYU, or UVS?
-Did Pope take out a quartet of teams anywhere close to Duke, Gonzaga, Florida, Tennessee and Illinois, in the same season at UVS and/or BYU?
-Did any of his previous players go to the NBA?
-Did he ever get a 3 seed at any of his previous stops?
This isn’t a video game and you wouldn't last 5 seconds as an AD. No program wpuld even entertain the thought of firing Pope right now.
Dude, Ed Orgeron was fired at LSU, 2-3 years after winning a title. Stop with the BS, this is big boy college athletics. "Stoops has the most SEC wins of any UK football coach, and he won 10 games twice, Mitch is not firing him". Nobody cares that he went to a sweet 16 2 years ago, if he's losing 12-14 games a year, not winning the SEC, and getting blown out on the court and the recruiting trail, left and right. Coaches will see a guy, who was not getting it done at UK.
The same ****, you're saying, is the same **** the media said after Tubby. "Nobody is gonna want that job, they ran off a man, who never missed the NCAAT and won a title, kept the school out of trouble". Cal crawled over broken glass to get over here, after BCG was fired.
And let's not forget Ollie. Canned him like a year after his title? And then they stuck w/ Hurley through mediocre years -- that should tell you something.
This is true.
Lose-Lose
And before you bash me saying I love Pope, you're wrong. I'm honesty iffy about him getting year 3. I want him to succeed but I'm on the fence. There has to be significant improvement next year or he has to go.
What are you insinuating with the "that should tell you something" comment? Don't let facts get in your way.
| Season | Record | Conference Record | Postseason Results |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2012–13 | 20–10 | 10–8 (Big East) | Ineligible for postseason |
| 2013–14 | 32–8 | 12–6 (AAC) | NCAA Tournament Champion |
| 2014–15 | 20–15 | 10–8 (AAC) | NIT First Round |
| 2015–16 | 25–11 | 11–7 (AAC) | NCAA Tournament Second Round |
| 2016–17 | 16–17 | 9–9 (AAC) | None |
| 2017–18 | 14–18* | 7–11 (AAC) | None |
| Career | 127–79 | 59–49 | 1 NCAA Title; 7–1 NCAA Record |
Ed got fired because he hit on a donor's wife and he mishandled sexual misconduct allegations against LSU college girls. That's called getting fired with cause.
The fact that you say you would fire Pope right now, just tells me you are incredibly out of touch with reality. You would do serious damage to this program by doing that. Go touch grass man.
I thought you were talking about Ollie when you said "And let's not forget Ollie. Canned him like a year after his title?". My bad.
You're taking this super personal. Are you related to Mark or his wife by chance? Serious question.
All good, and I apologize for the snide remark. My bad.
Here we go again.
My dude, you are terrible at this, just stop.
Kevin Ollie wasn’t fired 1 year after winning a title, he was fired after the 2018 season. That's 4 years after the title.
Can you just stop trying to toss facts out there without looking? You do realize we can check everytning you say, right? You're batting average is in the negatives.
Also, I'm not sure why you just shot yourself (and Richie) in the foot with your second point. You just stated that UConn hung on to Hurley through his mediocre years, then said "that should tell you something", but you're leading the charge on firing Pope, who has a better winning percentage after year 2. You even created a screen name to mock Pope. Are you high?
Truth is, Hurley's first few years at UConn, were laughable, you and Richie would have burned his house down, so I'm not sure why you are mocking yourself.